How to go about seeking priests to celebrate TLM

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ProVobis said:
One does need to maintain a positive attitude though, no? A negative one would be self-defeating and only reinforce the status quo IMO.
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No, one needs to be realistic and understand how orders work, what’s possible and not possible, and the limits of the laity vs. a religious order.

One must first of all clearly understand how SP applies in the context of religious orders. There is no mandate or obligation for religious orders to answer the call of the laity for the EF Mass. It’s not their charism, unless as I said it’s a society like the FSSP or ICKSP that do have that mandate and for which it is part of their charism. The orders can in fact even forbid priests from celebrating the EF Mass, and it us up to the superior to decide which form, for instance, to use at the community’s conventual Mass. The priests are bound in obedience to their superior. Some have chosen the EF Mass. If one is lucky enough to live in Oklahoma near Clear Creek abbey, well one can attend their EF Mass (or Fontgombault or Barroux in France to name a couple, or the new American monastery in Norcia, Italy). But they’re contemplative orders and not likely to allow priests to leave the cloister for any reason. They may help, if the bishop asks, but they still have the right to refuse as living outside the cloister is a very serious thing for a monk.

By being realistic one won’t expend energy uselessly pursuing a dead end, and I’m pretty sure a layman asking the superior of a religious order, particularly one of pontifical right, for an EF Mass is almost bound to fail.

One has to work within the diocesan framework to obtain an EF Mass according to SP. That means asking a diocesan priest, or the bishop, or the FSSP, for help. That’s where the OP should concentrate his (or her) efforts.

With a username like “bardegaulois”, I’m guessing the OP is in France, there are EF monasteries in France but again, cloistered. Not sure about other orders though, such as Jesuits.
 
OraLabora said:
No, one needs to be realistic and understand how orders work, what’s possible and not possible, and the limits of the laity vs. a religious order.
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Yes, but how would it sound if I kept repeating that the number of Benedictine monks has significantly been reduced since I attended their university 30 years ago? As well as the Masses that have been said over there (St. Procopius Abbey, btw)? That certainly wouldn’t sound too positive, would it?
 
OraLabora said:
No, one needs to be realistic and understand how orders work, what’s possible and not possible, and the limits of the laity vs. a religious order.

One must first of all clearly understand how SP applies in the context of religious orders. There is no mandate or obligation for religious orders to answer the call of the laity for the EF Mass. It’s not their charism, unless as I said it’s a society like the FSSP or ICKSP that do have that mandate and for which it is part of their charism. The orders can in fact even forbid priests from celebrating the EF Mass, and it us up to the superior to decide which form, for instance, to use at the community’s conventual Mass. The priests are bound in obedience to their superior. Some have chosen the EF Mass. If one is lucky enough to live in Oklahoma near Clear Creek abbey, well one can attend their EF Mass (or Fontgombault or Barroux in France to name a couple, or the new American monastery in Norcia, Italy). But they’re contemplative orders and not likely to allow priests to leave the cloister for any reason. They may help, if the bishop asks, but they still have the right to refuse as living outside the cloister is a very serious thing for a monk.

By being realistic one won’t expend energy uselessly pursuing a dead end, and I’m pretty sure a layman asking the superior of a religious order, particularly one of pontifical right, for an EF Mass is almost bound to fail.

One has to work within the diocesan framework to obtain an EF Mass according to SP. That means asking a diocesan priest, or the bishop, or the FSSP, for help. That’s where the OP should concentrate his (or her) efforts.

With a username like “bardegaulois”, I’m guessing the OP is in France, there are EF monasteries in France but again, cloistered. Not sure about other orders though, such as Jesuits.
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The Fathers of the Oratory of St. Phillip Neri also celebrate the EF.

We have parish in our diocese which is under the care of the Oratorians. They have quite an interesting Sunday schedule that has something for everyone. They have two English OF Masses, a Spanish OF Mass, a Latin OF, an Extraordinary Form and a very reverent Lifeteen Mass. They have no masses earlier than 8:30 a.m. All the Masses are very reverent and “by the book.” And all their Masses are packed.

From what I understand, the Oratorians are known for their liturgies.
 
PacoG said:
The Fathers of the Oratory of St. Phillip Neri also celebrate the EF.

We have parish in our diocese which is under the care of the Oratorians. They have quite an interesting Sunday schedule that has something for everyone. They have two English OF Masses, a Spanish OF Mass, a Latin OF, an Extraordinary Form and a very reverent Lifeteen Mass. They have no masses earlier than 8:30 a.m. All the Masses are very reverent and “by the book.” And all their Masses are packed.

From what I understand, the Oratorians are known for their liturgies.
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They aren’t a religious order though, they’re a society of apostolic life 😉

But indeed they would be a good source if they are present in the OP’s area as they take charge of parishes, and are of diocesan right, I believe.
 
Ya know the newest Carmel in Cody, Wyoming is totally Latin in its Masses and Divine Office. If you look you will find Religious that still use the Latin or have returned to it. It is my hope that it will return to all houses of worship and the NO will be for those of us “out here” in the lay world with the EF available to all every where. It truly shouldn’t be an either or situation and I personally think V2 meant a broader use of the vernacular NOT an exclusion of all things Latin. But this is just my humble opinion and since I’m no expert on anything but dinner, lunch and breakfast, it won’t do much to rock the world.

Glenda
 
glendab said:
Ya know the newest Carmel in Cody, Wyoming is totally Latin in its Masses and Divine Office. If you look you will find Religious that still use the Latin or have returned to it. It is my hope that it will return to all houses of worship and the NO will be for those of us “out here” in the lay world with the EF available to all every where. It truly shouldn’t be an either or situation and I personally think V2 meant a broader use of the vernacular NOT an exclusion of all things Latin. But this is just my humble opinion and since I’m no expert on anything but dinner, lunch and breakfast, it won’t do much to rock the world.

Glenda
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Actually, the Wyoming Carmelites (as they are often called) do not use the “EF” but rather have permission to use the traditional Carmelite Rite. That said, they are a Congregation of Diocesan Right holding to the old Carmelite monastic observance, and do not have charge of parishes.
 
glendab said:
Ya know the newest Carmel in Cody, Wyoming is totally Latin in its Masses and Divine Office. If you look you will find Religious that still use the Latin or have returned to it. It is my hope that it will return to all houses of worship and the NO will be for those of us “out here” in the lay world with the EF available to all every where. It truly shouldn’t be an either or situation and I personally think V2 meant a broader use of the vernacular NOT an exclusion of all things Latin. But this is just my humble opinion and since I’m no expert on anything but dinner, lunch and breakfast, it won’t do much to rock the world.

Glenda
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Our abbey uses Latin in the Ordinary Form, as do many religious communities.

I think the Holy Father Emeritus made it clear that the “ordinary” form meant the form ordinarily celebrated and the Extraordinary Form is just that, available under certain circumstances. At least that’s the current rule.
sjays said:
I would make an enquiry at the religious communities you mentioned.

But be aware that although they are outside diocesan control, they would need the permission of the local ordinary to celebrate mass outside of their abbey/community.
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It won’t even get that far if the superior doesn’t let the idea out the door. It’s unlikely, for instance, that a cloistered Benedictine community agree to such a request coming from laity. If the bishop were to request it because he has a shortage of priests able to say the EF, the abbot may consider it but still has the right to refuse.
 
Have you tried looking for priests from the S. S. P. X. The Society of St. Pius X?
 
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Check with Religious Orders/Monasteries in your area. Many of the TLM offered in the diocese of Orange are men from Religious Orders
 
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