How to help correct liturgical aberrations

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Again, I am not speaking of anyone’s rights.

I prefer to worship in community, rather than my personal preference, especially if the celebrant or bishop instructs.

As I said, if I felt something was very wrong, I would mention it, and write a letter, if it could not be resolved, and worship elsewhere, if it really distracted me. I would not refuse to follow a direct instruction, unless it was a matter of faith (doctrine) or morals.

Movements and Posture
  1. The gestures and posture of the priest, the deacon, and the ministers, as well as those of the people, ought to contribute to making the entire celebration resplendent with beauty and noble simplicity, so that the true and full meaning of the different parts of the celebration is evident and that the participation of all is fostered.52 Therefore, attention should be paid to what is determined by this General Instruction and the traditional practice of the Roman Rite and to what serves the common spiritual good of the People of God, rather than private inclination or arbitrary choice.
A common posture, to be observed by all participants, is a sign of the unity of the members of the Christian community gathered for the Sacred Liturgy: it both expresses and fosters the intention and spiritual attitude of the participants
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lux
 
Post # 10. I don’t wish to get into this again.
GIRM 43 says “The faithful kneel after the Agnus Dei unless the Diocesan Bishop determines otherwise.”

That refers to the posture immediately following the Agnus Dei; that is, are you standing or kneeling as the priest says “This is the Lamb of God…” And even if it did refer to the posture after having received Communion, my previous posts show the discussion and intent of the USCCB in that matter and the decision/clarification made by the Church in that regard.

GIRM 387 says that to the Bishop “is entrusted the regulating of the discipline of concelebration (cf. above, nos. 202, 374) and the establishing of norms regarding the function of serving the priest at the altar (cf. above, no. 107), the distribution of Holy Communion under both kinds (cf. above, no. 283), and the construction and ordering of churches (cf. above, no. 291).”

It says nothing about posture here.

GIRM 390 says: “It is up to the Conferences of Bishops to decide on the adaptations indicated in this General Instruction and in the Order of Mass and, once their decisions have been accorded the recognitio of the Apostolic See, to introduce them into the Missal itself. These adaptations include: The gestures and posture of the faithful (cf. no. 43 above) …”

The USCCB has already done so, as is noted in the US edition of GIRM 43. It does not say this is for the Bishop to determine; it says “Conferences of Bishops”, and the Conference has already done its work in this regard.
You wish to speak of the 'rights" of the congregation. I prefer to worship as one community, as we are instructed.
I don’t know how much more plainly I can put it: the Church does not wish to so rigorously mandate posture so as to demand that, following Communion, people may not kneel in prayer. There are other places where our posture is rigorously mandated (unless you are incapable): standing for the Gospel, sitting for the other readings, etc. But here is one place where the Church does not want to infringe upon a person’s private post-Communion praying. To prevent the faithful who wish to kneel at this time from doing so is pastorally insensitive on the part of a priest or bishop. We can “worship as one community” in a greater context than merely a parochial or diocesan community by respecting the universal permissions and rights afforded to us as Catholics of the Latin Rite.

Why would Rome bother reaffirming the rights of Catholics if Rome wanted those rights to be denied by priests and bishops? Why would a bishop go against the will of his Conference and of the CDWDS by mandating a common posture when the Church has said it desires freedom in this regard?
 
  1. … A common posture, to be observed by all participants, is a sign of the unity of the members of the Christian community gathered for the Sacred Liturgy: it both expresses and fosters the intention and spiritual attitude of the participants
And the Church has clarified that statement in terms of posture after receiving Communion.

Besides, not all participants do have the same posture throughout the Mass. The priest, lector, and cantor are standing at times when we are not, no?
 
I guess we must agree to disagree on this, which is fine.

I just want to be clear that it is not that I do not object to kneeling as kneeling, but as being different from the congregation or the instructions of the celebrant or bishop.

I do agree that one should kneel, if this the norm or custom of the community.
Therefore, attention should be paid to what is determined by this General Instruction and the traditional practice of the Roman Rite and to what serves the common spiritual good of the People of God, rather than private inclination or arbitrary choice.
Lux
 
The best advice is for the faithful to read the authoritative documents of the Holy See, the writings of Pope Benedict XVI (prepapal and papal) and the communications from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. They are the best guideposts.

The communications from the CDWDS are especiallay helpful because they spell out what can and cannot be done and offer solid explanations of things found in the GIRM. The coimmunications also clarify and correct misinterpretations and abuses relating to posture and other items in a clear and direct manner. Since the CDWDS is the congregation with the rule-making competency, it is the best resource for information.

In addition, there are websites like

www.adoremus.org

that are easy to navigate and have most of these documents in their online libraries.

Another good resource would be to read some of the homilies that Pope Benedict XVI h as delivered as they relate to the liturgy. While they are not magisterial documents in and of themselves, they provide solid insights into why the Church does what she does.
 
Back to the original question
If you see things in your parish that are off base, I encourage you to join the Worship Committee and work under the radar. Does anyone else have similar success stories?
After RS was promulgated, we still had some people attempting self-intinction. My pastor was reluctant to let us refuse them, but when he issued the instructions, he said, “sip, don’t dip”. When I thanked him for addressing the problem, He said, “I hadn’t intended to mention it. I don’t know why I did.”

( I knew—I had prayed very hard to the Holy Spirit about the matter)

It is always best to approach in a respectful manner, and ask why something is done, or disuaded, especially if you don’t want to change parishes. Sometimes it is best to let it go, if the Pastor is unwilling to see your complaint.

Lux
 
I’m going to talk to my priest in a non confrontational way. We don’t have a worship committee, so that’s the way I’ll have to address this. I pray that the Holy Spirit will guide our priest in the direction that is pleasing to God.

:gopray2:
 
That sounds like a good approach, especially the prayer part.

Lux
 
OP here…

These are all great posts! I guess my main point was this: If you know your priest is doing something out of the norm as a purposeful way of pushing a “progressive” agenda, then very little will be gained by point out that it goes against the rules.

For these cases, it would be better to think of a different spin besides saying “it says so here in such-and-such document.” Try to come up with an angle that might appeal to him such as “this breaks the sense of community…” or other liberal gibberish :whacky:

Sorry to put it so bluntly, but I found that it often works.
 
OP here…

These are all great posts! I guess my main point was this: If you know your priest is doing something out of the norm as a purposeful way of pushing a “progressive” agenda, then very little will be gained by point out that it goes against the rules.

For these cases, it would be better to think of a different spin besides saying “it says so here in such-and-such document.” Try to come up with an angle that might appeal to him such as “this breaks the sense of community…” or other liberal gibberish :whacky:

Sorry to put it so bluntly, but I found that it often works.
Hi,

A liberal priest may be even more offended with the suggestion that he does not know the sense of community. I found a better approach to be–“some people are complaining —even mentioning they may write the Bishop”

Lux
 
surritter;
The second instance is when he suggested that we not purchase missalettes anymore, because he claims that the Scriptures are to be proclaimed and heard, and if each person has his head buried in the missalette, then the sense of “community” is broken. From earlier discussions, I was pretty certain that his real reason was that he is itching to use the Canadian lectionary for the readings, since those readings have more gender-neutral language, and no missalettes would mean that no one is wise to this move (yes, we live in the US, not Canada!).
My wife is a teacher, and I spoke up – saying that while the “hearing” of God’s word is the ideal, any educator can tell you that people absorb material differently. The memory retention of something that is read is usually better than if it is only heard. Plus, the lectors do not always annunciate properly. After I said this, the suggestion has faded away and we still have the missalettes!
Good idea, and I would add to this, that people like myself, who have hearing problems, have trouble hearing the words of the readers, and following along in the missalette solves this problem.

Jim
 
As to having good missals at Mass available for all…

When I go to Mass I bury my head in missal and don’t look up. I don’t want to be distracted by whats going on around me.

If you honestly feel he’s tried to sneak the canadian lectionary. Write the local ordinary a letter and ask him if allows the canadian lectionary to be used in his diocese. He may just put the smack down.

Bishops know they have evil priests lurking about. I have a priest who constantly alters the words to avoid the use of the word father. I don’t think he does it on purpose. It could be just a bad habit. Intentional or not. It’s evil.

Pray.
 
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