How to intercept an abortion---confidentiality issue

[casey_zia]

Hi, everyone. Received a distressed phone call from a friend this morning. She works at a hospital and totally by accident she saw the O.R. list for today and noticed that an acquaintance was booked for an abortion. Confidentiality is a big thing to breach; does one breach it in this instance? Can she seek out this woman after looking at a list that she wasn’t privy to look at? We’ve been praying hard all morning. What more can be done? :bighanky:

 

[MaryT777]

She’s already violated privacy laws and probably HIPPA to tell you.
Pray for her.

What other medical information does she divulge to you?
Shame on her.

Mary.

 

[RoseMary131]

Hi, everyone. Received a distressed phone call from a friend this morning. She works at a hospital and totally by accident she saw the O.R. list for today and noticed that an acquaintance was booked for an abortion. Confidentiality is a big thing to breach; does one breach it in this instance? Can she seek out this woman after looking at a list that she wasn’t privy to look at? We’ve been praying hard all morning. What more can be done? :bighanky:

Prayer if the first thing, so you are on the right path.

Does her job require or allow her to be in contact with the patients before surgery?

Can she call her priest for advice? A call to the Diocese Respect Life office may be beneficial for guidance.

Sometimes God allows us to be in the right place at the right time. Do not over look the possibility of God working in this situation.

Trust the Holy Spirit to guide all actions and words.

If in fact this is someone your friend knows and she does continue with the abortion, continue to pray. God will show your friend an opening to help her - possibly giving her a pamphlet on a program like Project Rachel, at a time when God will show it is the right time.

Many people stand outside the abortion mills on a daily basis, praying for these women and offering free help for them and their baby. It is painful to know most of these ladies will leave the abortion mill with their baby killed and their hearts to later break. What we offer is our prayers for healing once they have aborted their precious child and information on post abortive healing. When someone sees a friend approaching the abortion mill, it obviously hurts even more to witness and know.

May God give this patient a change of heart. May God give the abortionist a change of heart. May everyone witness today in the OR that all life is precious. May God give your friend the right directions with what her role is today.

 

[anonymous_in_fl]

Your friend should not have told you anything at all.
She has violated that person’s medical records by sharing that info with you.

The correct thing your friend could have done was to inform the surgeon or head nurse that the patient was known to her, and to mention that it might be a “conflict of interest” for the friend to assist in a medical procedure on that person.

Medical staff should not be “operating” or assisting with persons who are family members or close friends, or acquaintances if they feel it would be violating the patient’s confidentiality.

Needless to say, having an abortion is quite a sensitive issue and the correct thing to have done is for your friend to ask the head nurse to assign her to assist with another patient she has no relationship with whatsoever.

 

[Lotharson]

She shouldn’t break confidentiality by any means but pray God, she will give her plan up.

Even so, I’m convinced God loves aborting women and is that about that.

Lothars Sohn - Lothar’s son
lotharlorraine.wordpress.com

 

[april32010]

is your friend catholic?if so ,is she assisting with abortions ?

 

[foundmyfaith]

Also, this person has no idea why she is having this procedure. She could be having a d&c or a d&e because her baby is dead. Generally, OR Schedules only list the procedure. They don’t tell a story.

A healthcare professional that chooses to violate the privacy of their patients cannot be trusted with your privacy.

:nope:

 

[RoseMary131]

Since your friend works in a hospital that performs abortions, it is a good idea that she speak with the Diocese Respect Life Director to learn how to deal with such distressing situations.

Nurses for Life may be an organization that would be helpful for your friend even if she is not a nurse. nursesforlife.org/

She may also want to be well informed on crisis pregnancy centers in her area as well as post abortion healing programs.

The following may be helpful for her own knowledge. If you copy and paste this in an e-mail the links will be broken since CAF doesn’t print the entire web address. By clicking on the links, you can copy the entire links for her.

May God guide this friend in her quest to be a witness to Life.

Nurses for Life nursesforlife.org/

Project Rachel :Hope after Abortion hopeafterabortion.com/

CAF Thread forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=720116&highlight=post+abortion+blog

Post Abortion Walk blog
postabortionwalk.blogspot.com/2012/10/life-after-abortion.html

Rachel’s Vineyard rachelsvineyard.org/

Silent No More silentnomoreawareness.org/

October Baby youtube.com/watch?v=I_9l7lEe-AA

Healing Through October Baby pattimaguirearmstrong.com/2012/04/healing-through-october-baby.html

Surrendering the Secret surrenderingthesecret.com/

National Helpline for Abortion Recovery nationalhelpline.org/

Abby Johnson abbyjohnson.org/

Abby Johnson - book - unPlanned unplannedthebook.com/

 

[MaryT777]

Also, this person has no idea why she is having this procedure. She could be having a d&c or a d&e because her baby is dead. Generally, OR Schedules only list the procedure. They don’t tell a story.

A healthcare professional that chooses to violate the privacy of their patients cannot be trusted with your privacy.

:nope:

 

[RoseMary131]

Hi, everyone. Received a distressed phone call from a friend this morning. She works at a hospital and totally by accident she saw the O.R. list for today and noticed that an acquaintance was booked for an abortion. Confidentiality is a big thing to breach; does one breach it in this instance? Can she seek out this woman after looking at a list that she wasn’t privy to look at? We’ve been praying hard all morning. What more can be done? :bighanky:

I would like to point out that Casey did not say her friend told her the name of the person. So, we do not know that Casey’s friend broke any form of confidentiality. We only know that Casey’s friend accidentally saw the OR list.

We know she contacted Casey for advice or prayers about typical procedures that occur in the hospital… not about who was receiving that procedure.

We do not know if Casey’s friend is a nurse. We do not know if Casey’s friend ever helps with any abortion procedures. We do not know if Casey’s friend is assigned to assist in any way with this patient.

Casey wants to know if anything besides prayer can be done to help her friend who is upset about someone she knows having an abortion today.

 

[MaryT777]

I would like to point out that Casey did not say her friend told her the name of the person. So, we do not know that Casey’s friend broke any form of confidentiality. We only know that Casey’s friend accidentally saw the OR list.

We know she contacted Casey for advice or prayers about typical procedures that occur in the hospital… not about who was receiving that procedure.

We do not know if Casey’s friend is a nurse. We do not know if Casey’s friend ever helps with any abortion procedures. We do not know if Casey’s friend is assigned to assist in any way with this patient.

Casey wants to know if anything besides prayer can be done to help her friend who is upset about someone she knows having an abortion today.

People who work in hospitals are bound by HIPPA. The friend should be fired.
She has no clue what medical procedure is being done or why nor should she be discussing an acquaintance for the OP may know who that is.

 

[foundmyfaith]

People who work in hospitals are bound by HIPPA. The friend should be fired.
She has no clue what medical procedure is being done or why nor should she be discussing an acquaintance for the OP may know who that is.

It is extremely sensitive information to pass on, whether Casey knows the patient or not. Suppose that woman is the only patient scheduled for that procedure today, and she dies by some freak accident. Casey would immediately know who she was when it hit the news.

Patient privacy must be protected. Again, we have no idea what the woman was having done. ‘Abortion’ is not a term used on a surgery schedule anywhere I have ever worked. The terms are d&c or d&e. There are many reasons for them, and they don’t have to be sinister.

 

[maryjk]

Also, this person has no idea why she is having this procedure. She could be having a d&c or a d&e because her baby is dead. Generally, OR Schedules only list the procedure. They don’t tell a story.

A healthcare professional that chooses to violate the privacy of their patients cannot be trusted with your privacy.

:nope:

I had a D&C last year. I would have been horrified if I found out that people were talking about me “having an abortion.”

And this isn’t even a friend, simply an acquaintance.

OP,
No, this isn’t a reason to breach confidentiality. The bad thing is, your friend may have already done so. I certainly hope your friend hasn’t given you any information about this patient.

 

[RoseMary131]

People who work in hospitals are bound by HIPPA. The friend should be fired.
She has no clue what medical procedure is being done or why nor should she be discussing an acquaintance for the OP may know who that is.

We do not know that Casey’s friend told Casey who was having the surgery in the OR.

We know the friend was in distressed about something she accidentally saw.

We do not know that this friend broke any HIPPA laws.

Telling someone that a procedure will be performed in the hospital is not breaking HIPPA laws.

Many people do not know that abortionist perform abortions in hospital. Some doctors don’t make it well known that they will perform abortions.

Sharing with Casey that she was distressed to see “someone” she knows listed for an abortion is not breaking HIPPA laws.

Being in a facility that aborts babies can be a hard place to work. Getting advice from the Diocese Respect Life Director about how to handle working in such a hospital would be helpful for this dear friend of Casey.

We should not be assuming Casey’s friend told her the name of the lady seeking the abortion.

 

[OrangeOwl]

Hi, everyone. Received a distressed phone call from a friend this morning. She works at a hospital and totally by accident she saw the O.R. list for today and noticed that an acquaintance was booked for an abortion. Confidentiality is a big thing to breach; does one breach it in this instance? Can she seek out this woman after looking at a list that she wasn’t privy to look at? We’ve been praying hard all morning. What more can be done? :bighanky:

Maybe I’m confused, but where exactly is the breach in confidentiality? Was she ordinarily not permitted to see the list? It wasn’t like she deliberately looked at the list.

Obviously she’s not breaching confidentiality by simply talking to the patient to whom the confidentiality is owed.

Am I missing something here?

 

[MaryT777]

We do not know that Casey’s friend told Casey who was having the surgery in the OR.

We know the friend was in distressed about something she accidentally saw.

We do not know that this friend broke any HIPPA laws.

Telling someone that a procedure will be performed in the hospital is not breaking HIPPA laws.

Many people do not know that abortionist perform abortions in hospital. Some doctors don’t make it well known that they will perform abortions.

Sharing with Casey that she was distressed to see “someone” she knows listed for an abortion is not breaking HIPPA laws.

Being in a facility that aborts babies can be a hard place to work. Getting advice from the Diocese Respect Life Director about how to handle working in such a hospital would be helpful for this dear friend of Casey.

We should not be assuming Casey’s friend told her the name of the lady seeking the abortion.

She shouldn’t have said ANYTHING…that’s the point.
Ask her supervisor if that was acceptable to repeat anything seen on an OR schedule and she’d be fired in any hospital.
It’s out of line and completely unacceptable.

Mary.

 

[foundmyfaith]

We do not know that Casey’s friend told Casey who was having the surgery in the OR.

We know the friend was in distressed about something she accidentally saw.

We do not know that this friend broke any HIPPA laws.

Telling someone that a procedure will be performed in the hospital is not breaking HIPPA laws.

Many people do not know that abortionist perform abortions in hospital. Some doctors don’t make it well known that they will perform abortions.

Sharing with Casey that she was distressed to see “someone” she knows listed for an abortion is not breaking HIPPA laws.

Being in a facility that aborts babies can be a hard place to work. Getting advice from the Diocese Respect Life Director about how to handle working in such a hospital would be helpful for this dear friend of Casey.

We should not be assuming Casey’s friend told her the name of the lady seeking the abortion.

The point is, unless she is actually working in an abortion clinic she shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that this woman is HAVING an abortion. It wouldn’t be listed that way.

 

[foundmyfaith]

Maybe I’m confused, but where exactly is the breach in confidentiality? Was she ordinarily not permitted to see the list? It wasn’t like she deliberately looked at the list.

Obviously she’s not breaching confidentiality by simply talking to the patient to whom the confidentiality is owed.

Am I missing something here?

She called a friend to tell her about it.

 

[RoseMary131]

Suppose that woman is the only patient scheduled for that procedure today, and she dies by some freak accident. Casey would immediately know who she was when it hit the news.

If Casey saw the sad story on the news that a woman died during an abortion procedure at that hospital, Casey would know exactly what the news reported. The news report does not have any link to Casey’s friend.

Accidents during abortions are more common than simply being freak accidents.

On a side note, there are lots of harm done during abortion and they do not make the news. Ambulances are called to abortion facilities with no news coverage.

May God grant all mothers on the abortion table a change of heart, the courage to speak up, and a way to escape the hand of the abortionist.

 

[foundmyfaith]

If Casey saw the sad story on the news that a woman died during an abortion procedure at that hospital, Casey would know exactly what the news reported. The news report does not have any link to Casey’s friend.

Accidents during abortions are more common than simply being freak accidents.

On a side note, there are lots of harm done during abortion and they do not make the news. Ambulances are called to abortion facilities with no news coverage.

May God grant all mothers on the abortion table a change of heart, the courage to speak up, and a way to escape the hand of the abortionist.

Here we go again.

We DO NOT KNOW that the woman was having an abortion. We know she is having a gynecological procedure.

And believe me, having worked in hospitals since 1990 I can tell you that the follow up to the woman dying would be, “Remember what I told you? She died!”