How to intercept an abortion---confidentiality issue

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She shouldn’t have said ANYTHING…that’s the point.
Ask her supervisor if that was acceptable to repeat anything seen on an OR schedule and she’d be fired in any hospital.
It’s out of line and completely unacceptable.

Mary.
You are saying that Casey’s friend can not mention any procedures that happen in the hospital where she works.

It is acceptable to say, “In my place of work abortions are performed. In my place of work, I am distressed when I notice someone I know is schedule for this procedure.”
 
Rosemary, I think you would be surprised what hospitals will do to make sure no sensitive information is passed on.

At my job, we are no longer allowed to say that we had a bad day at work on a social media site. It is cause for termination.
 
Here we go again.

We DO NOT KNOW that the woman was having an abortion. We know she is having a gynecological procedure.

And believe me, having worked in hospitals since 1990 I can tell you that the follow up to the woman dying would be, “Remember what I told you? She died!”
Actually, we only know what Casey wrote. What Casey wrote is that someone some place is scheduled for an abortion on the OR list. Why Casey’s friend called this an abortion, we do not know. Maybe it is an abortion, maybe it is something else. We pray for this mother in any case.

We know that Casey wanted to know if there is anything her friend who works in a hospital can do besides pray.

(If it were on the news, it is public information by way of the news media.)

Our Lady of Guadalupe ~ Patroness of the Unborn ~ Pray for us.
 
Saying that she accidentally saw something means to me that it is information that she is not privy to. She shouldn’t have seen it, she shouldn’t have discussed it…it was none of her business.

John
 
Rosemary, I think you would be surprised what hospitals will do to make sure no sensitive information is passed on.

At my job, we are no longer allowed to say that we had a bad day at work on a social media site. It is cause for termination.
Can you express to a friend in a private conversation that you had a bad day at work?

Can you express to a friend in a private conversation the types of “treatment” that is offered at your work?

Can you express to a friend in a private conversation if you do not agree with some of the procedures offered at your work?
 
We know that Casey wanted to know if there is anything her friend who works in a hospital can do besides pray.
How about we answer this question. Now that her friend knows, what can she do about it? My understanding is that Casey mostly wants to know if her friend can approach the patient. Moreover, talking to the patient is obviously not a confidentiality breach.
 
Casey, please just call the Catholic Answers hotline, because I don’t think you’re going to get any answers here.
 
Casey lists her location as Canada. Maybe that will make a difference in how Casey’s friend interacts with patients.

For the future, the Diocese Respect Life Director would be a good place to know how to work in a hospital that offers abortions to mothers.
 
Well, there are HIPAA laws (totally demonic, know it for a fact, but won’t share here). Your friend is in breach of same if she interferes by contacting this young woman or calls a priest or abortion counselor, etc. She will lose her job, first. Second, if she has any State credentials, she will lose them. Third, she may face Federal charges. Were it me, I would do all of it because to save one life is worth it and it sure will bring an awful lot of media attention (eventually).
 
Well, there are HIPAA laws (totally demonic, know it for a fact, but won’t share here). Your friend is in breach of same if she interferes by contacting this young woman or calls a priest or abortion counselor, etc. She will lose her job, first. Second, if she has any State credentials, she will lose them. Third, she may face Federal charges. Were it me, I would do all of it because to save one life is worth it and it sure will bring an awful lot of media attention (eventually).
Suppose the hospital worker seeks counsel from a priest about such a situation without saying the person’s name… simply “I work in a hospital where abortions take place, how can I touch the lives of those seeking abortion.” Can she seek such advice while still maintaining privacy laws?
 
Can you express to a friend in a private conversation that you had a bad day at work?

Can you express to a friend in a private conversation the types of “treatment” that is offered at your work?

Can you express to a friend in a private conversation if you do not agree with some of the procedures offered at your work?
I have personally been privy to a coworker being fired for discussing the details of a patient’s condition with an employee who was not involved in the patient’s care. No patient name was mentioned.
 
Suppose the hospital worker seeks counsel from a priest about such a situation without saying the person’s name… simply “I work in a hospital where abortions take place, how can I touch the lives of those seeking abortion.” Can she seek such advice while still maintaining privacy laws?
Sure, she can seek advice to armor herself for next time. She cannot get anyone involved with a specific case where she works. She will be fired.
 
Hi, everyone. Received a distressed phone call from a friend this morning. She works at a hospital and totally by accident she saw the O.R. list for today and noticed that an acquaintance was booked for an abortion. Confidentiality is a big thing to breach; does one breach it in this instance? Can she seek out this woman after looking at a list that she wasn’t privy to look at? We’ve been praying hard all morning. What more can be done? :bighanky:
I’m totally against abortion, but your friend has done a very bad thing by bringing this woman’s private affairs to you and by default to the world!. OR lists only ever record the procedure to be carried out, not the reason for it. Perhaps the child is dead in the womb and needs to be surgically removed? Your friend should be sacked. If you approach this woman I can guarantee that one or both of you will end up in court!
I will pray for this woman and light a candle for the child, and you should do the same.
 
pharisees were very legalistic also,and in a hurry to report the Christ 🤷
 
pharisees were very legalistic also,and in a hurry to report the Christ 🤷
casey zia and her friend are not Christ, how ridiculous! If the Canadian press picked up on casey zia’s post, the headline would read…ANTI ABORTION CATHOLIC HEALTHWORKERS LEAK PATIENT DETAILS…What do you think that would do for our pro-life cause? Not a lot I would suspect.
 
How about we answer this question. Now that her friend knows, what can she do about it? My understanding is that Casey mostly wants to know if her friend can approach the patient. Moreover, talking to the patient is obviously not a confidentiality breach.
Actually it is. If the friend has no right to the information and no reason, in the course of her job to have the information, the hospital should not havegiven her that information.

And it didn’t. The friend found out “by accident.”

So if she then walks up to this woman, and says anything about her procedure, the woman would be well within her rights to report the friend to the hospital and demand that the friend be terminated.

And I would, it if happened to me. :mad:

Privacy laws are there for a reason. The OP’s friend should learn to keep her mouth shut.
 
Hi, everyone. Received a distressed phone call from a friend this morning. She works at a hospital and totally by accident she saw the O.R. list for today and noticed that an acquaintance was booked for an abortion. Confidentiality is a big thing to breach; does one breach it in this instance? Can she seek out this woman after looking at a list that she wasn’t privy to look at? We’ve been praying hard all morning. What more can be done? :bighanky:
Your friend has already breached confidentiality by telling you about it (which is very wrong) and no, she cannot and must not further breach confidentiality by seeking out this woman after accidentally seeing the list. That would be a huge violation of the patient’s privacy no matter what the law says where this took place.

Your friend does not know the specifics of the surgery or the reason for it in any case and even if she did, it would make no difference.

Your friend is not supposed to even know that the acquaintance is in the hospital. She found out by accident, so she must keep it to herself completely.
 
Hi, everyone. Received a distressed phone call from a friend this morning. She works at a hospital and totally by accident she saw the O.R. list for today and noticed that an acquaintance was booked for an abortion. Confidentiality is a big thing to breach; does one breach it in this instance? Can she seek out this woman after looking at a list that she wasn’t privy to look at? We’ve been praying hard all morning. What more can be done? :bighanky:
I am 100 percent against abortion. That being said, nothing should be done. The hospital worker has no right to divulge patient details nor involve herself in this woman’s case. If she saw the O.R. list “by accident,” she should have looked away immediately. If she can’t abide by these rules, she needs to work at a hospital that doesn’t perform abortions or at a doctor’s office.

Patient confidentiality is the law of the land.
 
Your friend has already breached confidentiality by telling you about it (which is very wrong) and no, she cannot and must not further breach confidentiality by seeking out this woman after accidentally seeing the list. That would be a huge violation of the patient’s privacy no matter what the law says where this took place.

Your friend does not know the specifics of the surgery or the reason for it in any case and even if she did, it would make no difference.

Your friend is not supposed to even know that the acquaintance is in the hospital. She found out by accident, so she must keep it to herself completely.
I worded that badly. Even if she found out legitimately, she must still keep it to herself. Telling you about it was very wrong, and it would be very wrong even if she found out legitimately.
 
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