I really believe you care. I truly believe your concerns are heartfelt. I appreciate that. I’d like you to think about how you present, however. You accuse me of either being a liar, or believing liars (like my dad who was a Lutheran pastor), then ask me to listen to you. How effective do you think that will be?
Jon, my separated brother, Christ never intended that the Lutheran Church be built, even if you are using your best interpretations of the Scriptures authored by Catholic men.
If the truth offends you, then you’re on the wrong side of it. I am not offended by the truth. However, neither have you accurately characterized what I wrote as it was intended.What is really sad is when we claim we are speading truth and want others to hear it and listen, and start out by telling them they are liars or believe lies from their leaders, that they or their leaders are intentionally leading them away from truth. So, the method is to personally insult, them, offend them, then expect them to listen to you.
To come away from that as “the characteristic” in a nutshell of what I said is very poor indeed. Suffice it to say, you’re a long way off and missing the real truth here.
Not really. I am saying you are being misled. You and your father may be really sincere people who love Christ. I am not doubting that. The lies started when the father of lies helped Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, etc build their own religions which denounced Christ’s one relgion. From there, there have been many innocent victims, like I believe you are, and likely your father. So, yes, you believe someone who lied, but I’m not saying it was one generation ago, two, even three… for you, these have been 500 odd years in the making. I am asking good men who love God, to please stop this and break Satan’s influence that keeps you and I from being full brothers in God’s one Church.
God did heal me and he led me out of the Roman Catholic church which is obviously not his one and only Church. His church is not an institution my friend, read the Bible. know what the real traditios of the Early Church were. There was no papal infallibility nor was there the dogmas of Mary. You are not being led by the spirit. I will pray for you.
Look at the responses I’ve given to these. There is your answer.
Projection… not just a home media term.
You are berating and insulting thsoe who saw the wrongs and unholiness of a church that would not listen to those who were motivated by God to reform an institution run by man and led by man. You reap what you sow and I’m sad for what you don’t know and understand. I wish you knew the unspeakable peace and power of the Spirit.
Do you mean like agnostics as you claim to be, are not called to evangelize? They don’t know the truth or know and deny it, and therefore can’t evangelize for God.
I agree. He wanted one Church, which has not been the case for a thousand years, now. Abuses in the 16th century, and sinfulness on both sides of the Reformation, has lead to an even further splintering of His Church, and has wounded it’s minstry. So, what are you doing to bring people together?
Goodness, MDK, you know me well enough to know that I know this is the teaching of your Church, and I expect you to say this, and that I also disagree. Presbyter ordination was practiced by the CC, at times, before the Reformation.
Then restate it, that I may better understand.
See above.
I’ve seen what you post, and it’s from some spirit indeed, but not from God’s Holy Spirit. The Truth came to earth and was beaten and flogged, spit on, defected, called a liar by men. It’s no surprise that when one in His one Church teaches the same truths of Christ, then the same would be attempted by the ignorant. Notice that I don’t say evil. I believe you don’t know what you’re doing, and so do the wrong thing.
God only created His one Catholic Church with Peter as head. God still wants His Church to be one. It is your people who left for their own teachings, and you who live in that man made tradition. Is the office of Peter head of your “church”, or am I missing something?
You apparently are still missing either some pieces of the puzzle or just don’t want to go along with is. Probably the former. If you really understood the full truth, I think you would be in God’s one Church.
Just keep reading what the Catholic Church teaches. It is what God teaches. You can’t say that about Lutheranism without running into trouble with the truth very quickly.
No, you are far from healed, and you never will be if you believe that.
The Church that Jesus built has Peter as the visible or earthly head. The gates of Hell will never prevail against it. There is only one Church on earth with Peter as visible head, and you profess not to be in it. What’s more, you profess that God’s Church is wrong.
When does it stop? When do you stop calling everyone who ever left the Catholic church ignorant of its teachings? That won’t cut the mustard anymore. You need a viable defense of your faith, not just trying to paint everyone who doesn’t agree with you as ignorant of Catholicism. Show us. Simply show us in Scripture where the church centered in Rome is God’s one Church. If it were, those who seek him and who have sought him for centuries would be in it.
Your posts crack me up. I know you are just throwing them out their to provoke people. You attack others for having man made systems when someone notes using the Word of God as their guide and Lutheran confessions AND then note you do the same thing.