How to re-educate so that people will understand about abortion?

[limerick]

restore that government and I will, of course, answer the question.

I gather from previous statements that you have made that you aren’t married ?

Your question is like if I asked you, " what is your husbands opinion?."

*"Roe v. Wade stands because **your government *sees fit to do what it darn well pleases.
never mind your enlightened education, never mind your opinion, never mind your vote."

**Sound familiar? Can you now understand why I responded as I did?

As for your other question, my answer to that is: my ex-husband died of a massive heart attack on Christmas Eve, 2008. No, I am not married now, nor will I be in the future, which I pray is long and happy without the encumbrance.

Limerick**

 

[Drawmack]

If I address each one separately the result is what, 10,000 pages ? More ? I generalize for brevity sake the same as you do.

If , however, I erase the part that you have highlighted in bold print, does that in any significant degree alter the meaning of the statement ?
Nope.
( so erase the highlighted part if you wish. I don’t mind. )
If there is bigotry, I’m inclined to think it lies in the inference that some jobs are more equal than others.

Wow, this has to be the worst justification for bigotry I’ve ever heard. Have you ever heard of words like some, most, etc? Or possibly instead of saying college graduates you could be more specific about the actual people you’re talking about since well over half of adults in the United States are college graduates. I think you’d be hard pressed to find anything that a majority of the do or agree on.

 

[kage_ar]

Legally speaking the fetus is not recognized as being a person, therefore it is not legally recognized as being alive, therefore the public schools cannot teach this. If you want your kids to learn this in school, send them to Catholic schools. Catholic schools across the country are closing at a phenomenal rate and Catholics are complaining that public schools don’t teach Catholic morality. That does not make any sense to me.

Having decades of experience with Public Schools across the country, there is much misinformation about the “laws” restricting public schools.

You might want to research this and find out what the regs are in your district.

 

[Drawmack]

Having decades of experience with Public Schools across the country, there is much misinformation about the “laws” restricting public schools.

You might want to research this and find out what the regs are in your district.

The information I provided is based on the research I did about the district my daughter is in. Her school hates me because I know exactly what they have to tell me about the curriculum and I make them tell it all to me and explain why. I believe that a parent who does not do the research to find out exactly what their child is being taught has decided that their child’s education is not of paramount importance in their child’s life.

 

[royal_archer]

Well, 1 in 4 children being solicited is easy to find at pervertedjustice.com. I said 1 in 5 or 1 in 6 women by the age of 25 and also that I wasn’t certain of those numbers. But, if 4 in 1000 are raped every year, over 25 years that’s 100 of 1000 which makes that a 1 in 10. It’s not all that different than mine. But, here are some sources.

it was (point).4, not 4.

According to feminist.com/antiviolence/facts.html 17.6% of U.S. women survived a completed or attempted rape. That’s just about 1/6. Granted this could be slanted and it does include attempted.

Define attempeted…

According to ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/press/crv92.pr there were 109,000 reported rapes in 1992. Mind that is only reported, it doesn’t account for the rapes that were not which many experts believe is the majority of them when you get into spousal and familial rape. This has break downs by age of the victim to which is sobering to say the least.

That works out to about 1 in 20 occurances Per woman per life time.

According to csip.wayne.edu/sexualassault_facts.php 20% of college girls will report being raped during their college career, that’s 1 in 5 and it’s only reported which means the actual number is higher.

that was sexual assault not just rapes. But if this is true it is a good reason to put colleges on lock down!

I am not arguing with you about not projecting it on TV as the norm. But, I do think it should be portrayed realistically on TV. I think that exposing the true depth and breadth of this most heinous of acts and shining a spotlight on it might get people to start acting it. It could also help destigmatize the victims, which would lead to more, and quicker, reporting of the crime.

However, we should drop this because this is a thread about abortion not rape. Sorry for the divergence guys.

I kept going with this line to try to eventually steer it back to addressing one of the falicies of the pro abortion movement. Tehy attempt to assert that there are so many victims of rape and that generates a siginficant number of unwanted pregnancies and therefore those women need to be able to kill off the rapist child. Jumping to the punch line. abortions because of rape are rare even among abortions.

 

[Drawmack]

I kept going with this line to try to eventually steer it back to addressing one of the falicies of the pro abortion movement. Tehy attempt to assert that there are so many victims of rape and that generates a siginficant number of unwanted pregnancies and therefore those women need to be able to kill off the rapist child. Jumping to the punch line. abortions because of rape are rare even among abortions.

you are 100% correct about the number of abortions that happen because of rape. However, most stranger rape does not result in pregnancy because the perpetrators are smart enough to have heard of dna and use a condom. Many rapes (mostly date, acquaintance, and marital ones) that result in pregnancy end with the child not being aborted.

However, it is worth note that it is impossible to know exactly how many abortions happen because of rape. If woman does not report the rape because of shame, what makes anyone think she will admit that the baby she’s aborting is from a rape?

The rareness of abortion due to rape is not indicative of the frequency of rape. That is a false correlation.

On a final note, I’m sorry but you’re really going to post wikipedia as a reference and then attempt to tear mine apart? Really man!?

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

 

[kesa82]

Wow, this has to be the worst justification for bigotry I’ve ever heard. Have you ever heard of words like some, most, etc? Or possibly instead of saying college graduates you could be more specific about the actual people you’re talking about since well over half of adults in the United States are college graduates. I think you’d be hard pressed to find anything that a majority of the do or agree on.

I generalize for brevity sake the same as you do.

You don’t ? Yeah, and I’m Cleopatra.

try again.

 

[kesa82]

I generalize for brevity sake the same as you do.

You don’t ?

My suspicion is that you dislike my contention that jobs like police officer, teacher, social worker, are not somehow transcendentally morally superior to jobs like plumber, truck driver or street sweeper, and that to look to these people, and the institutions they represent , to pull our irons out of the fire, is ludicrous.
In other words, to expect that giant corporations, courts, or schools, are going to work some fundemental change in this issue, is like pinning your hopes, or the blame, on Joe’s plumbing service.

But you don’t want to address that.
So you attack my character.
Which is fine. You don’t even know what my favorite color is.

 

[royal_archer]

you are 100% correct about the number of abortions that happen because of rape. However, most stranger rape does not result in pregnancy because the perpetrators are smart enough to have heard of dna and use a condom. Many rapes (mostly date, acquaintance, and marital ones) that result in pregnancy end with the child not being aborted.

However, it is worth note that it is impossible to know exactly how many abortions happen because of rape. If woman does not report the rape because of shame, what makes anyone think she will admit that the baby she’s aborting is from a rape?

The rareness of abortion due to rape is not indicative of the frequency of rape. That is a false correlation.

On a final note, I’m sorry but you’re really going to post wikipedia as a reference and then attempt to tear mine apart? Really man!?

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

I am not doubting the accuracy of your numbers, just trying to get a better understanding of how to interpret them.

As for the theme of the thread. If 1 in 5 women are raped, then is committing rape like speeding where assailants feel safety in numbers? Instead the re-education needs to be that that it is wrong, it is the assailants fault and that the victims will be supported.

If rapes are this prevalent a re-education program would need to take into consideration more protections for women such as parental escorts when they go on dates.

 

[kesa82]

Has the US Supreme Court not had a conservative Republican majority these 20 years past?

So why haven’t they overturned Roe V. Wade ?

more dancing around the subject.

The problem isn’t your propaganda.

The problem is ( look Drawmack ! I’m generalizing again ! ) You have abdicated family and church responsibilities and authorities to the state which you should not have done.
If you cannot even admit that error, you aren’t going anywhere.

 

[Drawmack]

I generalize for brevity sake the same as you do.

You don’t ?

I use words like some or most.

My suspicion is that you dislike my contention that jobs like police officer, teacher, social worker, are not somehow transcendentally morally superior to jobs like plumber, truck driver or street sweeper, and that to look to these people, and the institutions they represent , to pull our irons out of the fire, is ludicrous.

If you want my honest opinion, the most morally transcendent job you posted is plumber, though sewer worker and garbage man are even more morally transcendent that that. The reason being is that these people spend their lives wallowing in other people’s filth and it is this wallowing that allows society to stay healthy and avoid the plagues of the dark ages. However, you do realize that when you mention everyone with a college degree you’re talking about a lot of people that do these types of labor jobs for a living. You realize that only half of all people with college degrees actually ever use them to procure employment correct? My problem is with you stating that all people with college degrees do, say, or feel something because that is a prejudice statement.

In other words, to expect that giant corporations, courts, or schools, are going to work some fundemental change in this issue, is like pinning your hopes, or the blame, on Joe’s plumbing service.

I expect no such thing. Read through this thread, or any thread on this message board I’ve posted to and quote where I have said anything of the kind.

But you don’t want to address that.
So you attack my character.
Which is fine. You don’t even know what my favorite color is.

I did not attack your character I attacked your words. Your words were bigoted and prejudice, plain and simple. You can admit that, or you can accuse me of attacking your character. The former shows that it was a mistake, I’ll let you decide what the latter shows.

 

[kesa82]

I attacked your words. .

Specifically, not generally, you attacked half a sentence.

which, as I told you, you are free to edit out if it makes you happy.

 

[Drawmack]

Specifically, not generally, you attacked half a sentence.

which, as I told you, you are free to edit out if it makes you happy.

A half a sentence which was specifically, not generally, written by you. And therefore, a half a sentence which is specifically, not generally, your words.

I don’t want to edit it out, it changes the meaning of the sentence. I want you to be more careful in the future so that you generalize instead of prejudice. There’s a line between the two and I think this instance crossed it. It was probably an accident, but I’m not sure why you refuse to admit the error.

 

[kesa82]

You are certainly a good enough writer that you already know that writing is an extremely tough discipline.

No caveat, I have not seen a perfect, or a half-perfect, or a-little-perfect, paragraph in 41 years. Not one.
( well, there may be a few exceptions like , " 2+2=4 " or , " The fat cat sat on the red mat. " Though undoubtedly some would object to the word " fat " , and some would argue that the mat was burgundy, not red. )

I am being stubborn. You use the word “bigotry” too loosely.

The phrase, " beating on a dead horse " now comes to mind.

By the way, I worked as a plumber. So thanks.

 

[limerick]

I am not doubting the accuracy of your numbers, just trying to get a better understanding of how to interpret them.

As for the theme of the thread. If 1 in 5 women are raped, then is committing rape like speeding where assailants feel safety in numbers? Instead the re-education needs to be that that it is wrong, it is the assailants fault and that the victims will be supported.

If rapes are this prevalent a re-education program would need to take into consideration more protections for women such as parental escorts when they go on dates.

**More effective than parental escorts: tasers.

Limerick**

 

[limerick]

("If you want my honest opinion, the most morally transcendent job you posted is plumber, though sewer worker and garbage man are even more morally transcendent that that."

**This is interesting . . . at least from the point of construct.

L)**

 

[Drawmack]

I am being stubborn. You use the word “bigotry” too loosely.

I grew up in an area that was heavily populated by white supremacy groups. I am, admittedly, a little touchy on the topic of bigotry and prejudice writing. I know first hand that this starts in very small ways. Your first encounter with this type of literature is a well written piece that is actually factual, but buried somewhere in the middle is a mild slur of some type. The more of this literature you read, the more the hate groups show you the more prevalent the slurs become and the less truthful the pieces become. I see this happening today in a lot of things said by faithful Catholics when discussing certain topics, and it really bothers me. This being the case, I call people on slurs the second I see them. And, I do not back down from calling a slur a slur. Making an inflammatory statement about college graduates without any proof, citations, or qualifying language on the grouping is a slur.

The phrase, " beating on a dead horse " now comes to mind.

If you think that hatred and bigotry is a dead horse you are sadly mistaken.

By the way, I worked as a plumber. So thanks.

Just stating the truth as I see it. Most people don’t realize that plumbers have to be able to do geometry and algebra in their heads to properly lay pipe. Not only is it a noble profession, it is an intellectual pursuit as well.

 

[Drawmack]

("If you want my honest opinion, the most morally transcendent job you posted is plumber, though sewer worker and garbage man are even more morally transcendent that that."

**This is interesting . . . at least from the point of construct.

L)**

Well, taken with the next sentence after the one you quoted I clearly explain why I see it that way.

 

[kage_ar]

The information I provided is based on the research I did about the district my daughter is in. Her school hates me because I know exactly what they have to tell me about the curriculum and I make them tell it all to me and explain why. I believe that a parent who does not do the research to find out exactly what their child is being taught has decided that their child’s education is not of paramount importance in their child’s life.

Many parents do not make that effort.

Know that there ARE public schools where biology is taught as actual biology and where pro abortion ideals are not forced in the classroom. The Bible Belt does have it’s good points!

 

[royal_archer]

**More effective than parental escorts: tasers.

Limerick**

So I presume you are a gun rights advocate?