Somewhere in my learning from my mother, she said that the sins that you commit knowingly and fully that they are wrong and sinfull, and you refuse to change and not commit those sins, your sins will be held and not absolved by the priest. If you repeatedly commit a sin without secereity to change your sinful ways, then a priest cannot loose your sins that you have bound to yourself until you DO commit to NOT committing those same sins.
In what God do you believe Ed?! The Apostles are alive…souls in heaven. saints. Upon whose intercession we pray to for help in obtaining answers to prayers from God the Father! Anyone who can say that the apostles are ‘‘dead’ doesn’t have a true sense of belief in the trinity, the souls of the departed or the Catholic church’s teachings…Don’t play with fire Ed. God’s listening!:tsktsk:’
I think neither you, nor I, need to question Ed’s belief in God. We may disagree with Ed, and help clear up our differences, but its not ours to judge him.
Hi NotWorthy, Thank you for what you say here. As I told you once before, I find you to be very respectful and worth my time to converse with you. I appreciate you very much. ED O. “Jesus Loves You”
Hi Not Worthy, I have no knowledge of the Greek language. I have to rely on what others tell me what the Greek words mean.------ I would appreciate for you to explain to me how the washing of feet institutes the priesthood? ---- That is news to me! ------ Also why is it necessary for me to understand Greek words concerning the Last Supper other than what I already know of it from what I read in English?
I would appreciate if you show me please. ED O. Jesus Loves You
Thanks for your words, as well, Ed. Although you and I have different beliefs, I do not doubt your love for Christ and the continuous search for His Truth.
Yes I agree because it directly concerned salvation but since then there weren’t any other issues that came up concerning salvation.
I understand what you say here, yes the world does change but isn’t the Holy Spirit capable of guiding the church. The Holy Spirit seems to be guiding the Prostestant churches in the same manner, Stem cells, abortion, pornography,etc. the Catholic and the Protestant churches both agree.
. Here, I disagree with you because when Peter preached his first sermon after being filled with the Holy Spirit, the Bible very clearly states that 3000 people got saved later 5000 got saved.----- Also John1:13-14 & 3:18 , Eph 1:13, Acts 16:31, then would be all wrong.
Again I respectfully disagree with you. You assume that Jesus meant successors but nowhere in the Bible does it mention of any.----- However; in Mat 28:19 Jesus makes it very clear when He commands to make DISCIPLES (not successors) of all nations. The people of all nations are the disciples. It doesn’t take much to understand the simplicity of the gospel in order to be saved. So one disciple makes another disciple then to another then nations are discipled up to the presernt day.
Jesus filled that office when He called Paul. That’s why I contend that Peter acted too hastily when Matthias was chosen, because there will be twelve judges per Mat 19:28 and twelve names per Rev 21:14 ED O. Jesus Loves You.
Hi NotWorthy Thanks for your reply. ---- I’ll be patient — I just prayed for you that God will give you traveling mercies, ---- Enjoy the game! ED O. God Bless
Oh really? Do you want to talk about homosexuality? How about contraception? Nearly every major religion has done a flip-flop on contraception since 1930 EXCEPT for the Catholic Church. Prior to 1930, every Christian faith condemned it. How many condemn contraception now?
Yes, they believed it what was taught and they were saved. Now, I’m not sure if your faith teaches this, but many faiths teach that, once one has acknowledged that Jesus Christ is their Savior, then they are guaranteed to get to heaven. It doesn’t matter if they sin later on because they are saved. “Believing” does not mean this. “Believing” means that you believe what Jesus taught and you act in accordance with that Belief. One simply needs to read the NT Epistles to see that all the authors preached to turn away from sin and follow Christ. Sadly, many people today don’t equate “Believing” with “Obedience”.
But where is the authority to BIND AND LOOSE? Who has that authority. Did it die with the Apostles? As in my previous example, some churches felt they had the authority to change their church’s position on contraception. Where did they get that authority?
Ed, nowhere in Scripture does it say Peter acted hastily, or even imply that. Paul refers to the Apostles as “The Twelve”, whereas his traveling companion, Luke, refers to them as “The Eleven” when there were eleven, and “The Twelve” when they were 12. Scripture seems to authenticate Peter’s action of assigning Mathias to fill Judas’ Episcopate.
I will enjoy the game (especially if Hardin Jefferson wins!), but I’ll also be thankful for your prayers!
What about it? — The Bible is very clear, unless they change they will not inherit the kingdom of God 1 Cor 6:10, Rom 1:24-27, Yet, both Catholic as well as some liberal (non-believing Bible Protestant churches) ordain homosexuals as priests and ministers.
My opinion! ---- Since there wasn’t any restrictions mentioned in the O.T.that I know of, It’s hard for me to believe that God would accept the decisions of a group of men who have never been married to rule on a issue such as this. ---- I’m sure that many Catholics ignore the church’s position on this issue. ---- In the O.T. Duet 24:5 states,“If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him, for one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married.” ---- Again my opinion! ---- I hardly think that this means for them to twiddle their thumbs for a year.
That is understandable! ---- More Catholics will be born.
I can’t comment on this because I never heard of it.
Why haven’t you noticed this Scripture! ----- Eph 1:13, states," And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having BELIEVED, you were marked in Him with a SEAL, the promised Holy Spirit, Who is a deposit GUARANTEEING our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession – to the praise of His glory." ------ Now this means what it says or tear it out of your Bible. ----- Here’s where you are confussed. ----- Why would a saved person believe the above quoted verse and then ignore this verse 1 John 3:9, “No one who is born of God will CONTINUE to sin, because God’s seed (H. S.) remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.” ----- Allow me to elaborate ----- As per my personal testimony a few posts back, the sins that once controlled me I now vigorously hate, after being filled with the Holy Spirit. ---- Those sins are gone. ---- I don’t want to even think about them anymore. ---- That’s what 2 Cor 5:17 is all about, “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” ----- That is what Heb 9:26 means Jesus came to do AWAY with sin. ---- Your next question would be will I ever sin again? ---- Of course I’ll sin again! ---- But hell would freeze over before I would commit any of the sins that once controlled me because now I have the presence of the Holy Spirit within me who’ll fight off the tempations of the devil which I was unable to do so by myself. ---- Here’s a true story. My cousin went to a Catholic rehabilitation center for alcoholics, He was released after about six weeks of a drying out period and counseling and was told to continue to go to the AAA meetings. I went with him to several meetings. After a while he slipped back to drinking again. I knew that he needed Jesus to help him not the support of AAA meetings. Later I took him to the same Catholic Nun who prayed for me to receive the Holy Spirit. We both prayed for him. Later at one of the AAA meetings he told me, “Let’s get out of here because it reminds me of my past.” We did and he’s never once touched a drop of alcohol again. ---- What I’m trying to convey here can’t be taught, it has to be experienced!.
These people never got saved. They may think that they did like Simon in Acts 8.
I think I explained much of this above. ---- But you are 100% correct! ---- And here’s the Scripture that says so, “1 John 3:6, " No one who lives in HIM (Jesus) keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen Him or known Him.” ----- They are those who think they got saved.
You are right again! ---- Sadly is the correct word. .
Eph 2:19-20 The church is built upon Prophets and Apostles and Christ is the Head,------ 1Cor 12:28, “And in the church GOD has appointed first of all Apostles” Was Matthias appointed by God? NO! ----- Was Paul appointed by God ? YES! ----- Mat 19:28 states that there will be twelve Apostles judging the twelve tribes. ---- Rev 21:14 Twelve apostles names will be on the gates. Matthias makes thirteen apostles
You could be right! I draw my interpertation from what I quoted above. It really doesn’t matter that much except that there will be only twelve judges and twelve names. ED O. God Bless!
Sacred Tradition is the Word of God that has been revealed to His people.
You said you believed that Jesus and the Apostles were against traditions, which is not true. If they were, then you must also believe they never washed their hands before eating.
They are contained in the TEachings of the Apostles that have been preserved in the Church.
It tells me that you do not realize you are suffering from anti-catholic bigotry.
Ed, the Christians that “got along” were all Catholics, and the reason they needed a canon to be produced is so that there could be consistency, and unity of doctrine.
If this is true, why did the Church find it necessary to salvation to combat all those early heresies? Why not just let everyone interpret things as they please, instead of standardizing and dogmatizing? Why define a canon at all? Why not just let people pick from the 400+ manuscripts floating about claiming to be inspired?
You seem to be proposing that the HS would guide the church differently than He did in the beginning, or that He would depart from the structure established by Christ?
The Apostles taught that there are some aspects of salvation that are completed (such as baptism), some that we are presently working out, and some that are not completed in this life. One cannot derive an Apostolic understanding of salvation by gleaning verses individually. All the references are to be taken together, along with the Apostolic Teaching. taht is how to read and understand the bible.
What does your bible mean when it says “let another take his place” in Acts, when a successor was chosen for Judas?
Indeed not. The successors of the Apostles are those with whom the authority rests. Jesus did not intend to make “all nations” into authorities.
Certainly we all have responsibility to make disciples. We do that under the authority of the Apostolic "Succession.
How is it, do you suppose,that all the Apostles and their disciples understood it differently.
it is interesting that you feel competent to sit in judgement upon Peter in this matter. I have heard this protest many times. It seems to me that God might have included the fact that this was a “mistake” in the inspired, inerrant record, don’t you think?
Ed, be careful with what you say, here, for it is VERY misleading. The Church teaches that homosexuality is a sin. If a priest is an active homosexual, then he is doing it against the teaching of the Church. There are priests who have turned out to be gay, but their actions are not condoned by the Church at all.
except for that whole Onan issue, eh?
It seems God spoke very clearly about that!A simple Google search can reveal that every Christian Church condemned contraception until the 1930’s. As far as I know, only the Catholic Church has remained faithful to the 2000 year teaching on this issue.
The Catholic Church does not do it on purpose. It is not permitted. Like pedophiles, they can only get in by disguising themselves.
What you are doing is denying the testimony of history. Jews believed that God’s command to “be fruitful and multiply” did not have any room for interfering with conception.
You are correct. The vast majority of American Catholics are in rebellion against the Apostolic Teaching on this matter. Many are in a state of mortal sin, and receive the Body and Blood in an unworthy manner. Right doctrine, however, is not defined by those who are disobedient to it, but by God.
Are you trying to suggest that this passage supports contraception?
you are dodging, Ed. The point is that our separated brethren have departed from the Apostolic Teaching.
Do you honestly believe that saved persons never fall into sin?
What you are saying is that, even though they prayed and trusted God,God left them orphaned, and did not lead them into all Truth, as He promised.
There were many more than 12 Apostles. The 12 had a special role that the other Apostles did not. Paul was not one of the 12 nor was Barnabas, but they were Apostles.
If you are able to admit that Matthias was a successor, would that change your belief that God never intended successors for the Apostles?
Can you show me precisely in Scripture where I can find the words “Sactred Traditions”
I’m sorry my friend you have it a little mixed up. The Word of God are the letters written by Paul and others. Paul was very concerned that all of his letters were to be circulated among all the churches. He was already concerned about the corruption entering the church. Read Col 4:16, & 2 Pet 3:15. This ought to tell you that Paul would never rely on ORAL traditions which can not be substantiated. By the way the “Church” are the born again believers who recopied those letters and passed them on and on and on for 300 plus years…
I’ll give you credit for trying!
Can you show me precisely in Scripture where? ---- And why it’s not true.?
What you say here is nothing else but circular conjecture!
“Traditions” ---- “Teachings of the Apostles” ----- That sounds very authoritative! ---- But can you give me at least one or two and show me where I may be able to read more of them? ----- Have you read any of them? ----- Since “Traditions” which has been contested for hundreds of years, one would think that the Catholic church would compile and publish them for all to be able to read them.
This tells me that you are suffering the same bigotry towards me. Isn’t this a Forum where things are discussed or am I supposed to sit back and believe everything you say?
WRONG ! ----What you should have said was that the “born again” believers were “Christians” Read Acts 11:26.
Yes! ----- And a group of these same “Christian” believers who knew true doctrine opposed to false and who attended the Third Council of Carthage in 397 decided the canon.
I’m asking this very respectfully, are you then saying that until these lying priests are exposed that they are allowed to hear confessions, celebrate Mass etc???
. Can you show me Scripture proof that the Jews believed in “be fruitful and multiply”----- Denying history ? ----- Yes! ----- By common sense! ----- “to be fruitful and multiply” was given to Adam to start a civilization.----- By “be fruitful and multiply” does that mean to have so many children beyond what you can afford to support? ----- God’s Word also says that a man is worst than a heathen if he doesn’t provide for his children. ---- So which verse are Catholics to believe?
. Apostolic Teaching where?
Then why cause the Catholics to be guilty of sin (disobedience to the church) when God commanded Adam to multiply.----- It’s obvious what God’s intention was? ----- That is to have more than two people on earth.
I never implied that, so why ask
You are saying that not me! ------ I said God appoints apostles 1 Cor 12:28, God called the first twelve. Then He called Paul Acts 9:11 Was Matthias appointed by God ? — NO! — That’s what I’m saying
Onan issue? Explain.Posted by NotWorthy
except for that whole Onan issue, eh?
As I said before, it’s to the Catholic church’s advantage to have more Catholics to be born. ED O. Jesus Loves You
You seem to indicate that it was the Catholic church who decided the canon.---- Here’s the correct account. ---- Yes! ----- And a group of these same “Christian” believers who knew true doctrine opposed to false and who attended the Third Council of Carthage in 397 decided the canon.
The born again believers weren’t not concerned about interpretation, the concern was about false letters surfaced. — Therefore the canon had to be established.---- They ( born again believers) knew which letters were true and which were false.
Your conception as to why the canon had to be decided upon and established is in error.
I have no idea as to what you are talking about here???
You are directly contradicting Holy Scripture. Peter preached a sermon and 3000 people got saved.---- Nothing else to work out! ----- Nothing else to be completed in a future life.
That’s your conception.------ Apparently you ignore what Jesus says in Mark 16:15 that is, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned/” ---- Do you believe this?
Where does it say that Peter had to do it?---- Doesn’t Jesus have that right to replace Judas?
Jesus said to make Disciples. ---- That means when a disciple is made, he in turn makes a disciple, he then makes another disciple, that being done eventually fills the nation with disciples up to the present day
Can you show me where in Scripture does it say that?
I have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about??? Zilch Nothing??? No Idea???
Then what is your answer?
What would you expect God to do kick Matthias out? ----- He wasn’t causing any problems. ----- Was it in God’s plan? ----- Not according to 1Cor.12:27.
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Let’s stop going in circles.
When you get to heaven you’ll have to ask Him yourself, because I have no idea why?
How does it ??? ED O.