How to respond to those who call God a mass murderer?

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Ok. The Father is good because He wants good things for His children. The best thing that is, is with Him. He wants His children to be with Him so that they can have the best things that He has prepared for them.

But some children wants to escape from the Father’s house, perhaps, because of some personal reasons, maybe rebelliousness, so they think He is an evil Father. In getting away from Him, they are on their own, and therefore do not experience the wealth and the luxury and happiness that the Father has prepared for them.

The Father loves them. Those children think the Father does not.
 
Perhaps God decided to revoke the “privilege of life” to those who were evil. We do not know the state of their souls.
 
It is difficult for us to grasp that God is not simply a big, powerful human being. Something like the most powerful Superhero is how our minds make God.

God is not a human (while the second Person of the Trinity did incarnate as Human, but, that is a matter for a different conversation).

God gives life. That life consists of a body and a soul. This earthly body will die, one way or another. When we are one second old, 3 years old, 30 years old, 130 years old, this body is going to die sometime. When our earthly body dies, our soul will live on. Eventually, those of us who love God and choose Him in this life, we will be re-united with our bodies and they will be made better, they will never die again.

I’d suggest listening to/reading some of Peter Kreeft’s work to grasp the difference between God and man.
 
curious_cath said:
You cannot just kill without becoming a sinner!
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Again, while God is the author of life and has every right to take away human life, this statement does not even apply to humans.

Let’s say you are driving your car at night in a rainstorm. It is very difficult to see, you are traveling at speed that is safe for the road conditions on a 6 lane open freeway, let’s say because of road conditions you are driving 50 miles per hour.

Another person is walking and needs to cross the freeway. Their visibility is also very poor.

They walk out right in front of the car. You have no time to stop and you hit the man at 50 miles per hour. His neck is broken and he dies immediately.

You are now a killer of a human being. You are not guilty of any sin.
 
Dear LittleLady, I understand what you say about the accident. It is a truly terrible thing when happens. Gosh, your example cuts!

Of course, only a deliberate killing would be a sin.
 
curious_cath said:
Of course, only a deliberate killing would be a sin
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You are a police officer and it is your job to shoot a man who is holding people at gunpoint. That is not a sin.

A soldier.

You kill a person who is trying to kill you or your family.

None of these situations make one guilty of sin.
 
It might not be a crime according to law. But it is a sin according to God! A soldier, a police officer, a professional executioner, all these professions are already guilty of sin against the 5th commandment! Of course, their term is not prison on earth but rather in the netherworld!

If you had a doubt: I believe in non-violence!
 
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I read Scripture and I never read that God condemned serving in the military. When John the Baptist was asked by soldiers about what they should do, he basically told them not to use their power to oppress people. He didn’t tell them to lay down their arms. Jesus healed a Roman officer’s servant. He didn’t tell him to desert. In the light of Scripture and Tradition, your position makes no sense.
 
Your personal beliefs, however, extend further than our Doctrine.

In Church Doctrine, even Capital Punishment is permitted in limited circumstances.

The Church does not condemn killing in self defense, in protection of another person or in war.
 
No, it’s not. In fact, there are many instances where God COMMANDED that one human being kill another. For example, the Torah ordered that murderers must be put to death, and furthermore, that the Israelites wipe out the Canaanites because of their abominations. God even threatened to destroy Israel if they didn’t obey His commands to kill the wicked. God said that if your own close relative sacrifices a child to Molech, kill that relative without pity, or else you will be cut off from Israel for tolerating such an abomination in your midst.
 
Absolutely! I don’t know where you got the idea that this was wrong. He was executing God’s judgment on criminals who were guilty of treason, murder, and prostitution. Elijah was doing exactly what the Law of God required: if anyone leads Israel into worshiping other gods, put him to death. Murder? God forbid! This was justice.
 
You call yourself a Catholic? Your posts are without sense! You cannot abide the justice of God, that He judges the wicked unworthy of life and puts an end to them. Then you expect Him to punish those who kill righteously in fiery Gehenna, as though Gehenna were not worse than natural death! The Book of Revelation, which curses those who subtract from it to being removed from the Book of Life, says of Christ, “In righteousness does He judge and make war.”
 
Yes, priests blessed the handguns of soldiers going to battle in world war 1. These priests were the worst kind of Catholics you can ever imagine. I understand that this impacted their job by the number of funerals they had to conduct.
 
Yes, so you are validating the extremists who behead their victims referring to the command of some kind of god.
 
This kind of behavior does not come from a loving God. It comes from the deceiver who incites you against God’s commandments. No. 5 speaks clearly: do not kill.
 
Oh, well, here you go again. It is not the job of a Catholic to judge the other. Elijah was a mass murderer, a prefigure of the capos in the camps. He executed 450 innocent men single handed. These 450 priests followed their own religion and their god Baal. Many Israelite kings and their subjects also followed Baal and were not killed. For many, Baal transmorphed into YHWH and monotheism in the natural evolution from murderous to peaceful religions that reached its summit and true meaning in Jesus Christ!
 
So you judge a saint, while complaining that I judge you? Have you actually read the Torah? You who appeal to the Ten Commandments cannot then say that enforcing the punishment imposed by them is wrong.
 
The question is not if a mass murderer can be a saint or not. Hell yes, he can! We see that in Elijah. The question is how do you relate to this fact. I personally dislike it. But if you like a mass murderer, it is your prerogative to do so. If Elijah was not a mass murderer, then why does the Bible write about his act as a fact?
 
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You call yourself a Catholic? Your posts are without sense! You cannot abide the justice of God, that He judges the wicked unworthy of life and puts an end to them. Then you expect Him to punish those who kill righteously in fiery Gehenna, as though Gehenna were not worse than natural death! The Book of Revelation, which curses those who subtract from it to being removed from the Book of Life, says of Christ, “In righteousness does He judge and make war.”
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And on the cross Jesus said, forgive them Father for they know not what they do. God is merciful and forgiving.
 
The “dark” passages of the Bible
  1. In discussing the relationship between the Old and the New Testaments, the Synod also considered those passages in the Bible which, due to the violence and immorality they occasionally contain, prove obscure and difficult. Here it must be remembered first and foremost that biblical revelation is deeply rooted in history. God’s plan is manifested progressively and it is accomplished slowly, in successive stages and despite human resistance. God chose a people and patiently worked to guide and educate them. Revelation is suited to the cultural and moral level of distant times and thus describes facts and customs, such as cheating and trickery, and acts of violence and massacre, without explicitly denouncing the immorality of such things. This can be explained by the historical context, yet it can cause the modern reader to be taken aback, especially if he or she fails to take account of the many “dark” deeds carried out down the centuries, and also in our own day. In the Old Testament, the preaching of the prophets vigorously challenged every kind of injustice and violence, whether collective or individual, and thus became God’s way of training his people in preparation for the Gospel. So it would be a mistake to neglect those passages of Scripture that strike us as problematic. Rather, we should be aware that the correct interpretation of these passages requires a degree of expertise, acquired through a training that interprets the texts in their historical-literary context and within the Christian perspective which has as its ultimate hermeneutical key “the Gospel and the new commandment of Jesus Christ brought about in the paschal mystery”.[140] I encourage scholars and pastors to help all the faithful to approach these passages through an interpretation which enables their meaning to emerge in the light of the mystery of Christ.
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http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedi...ts/hf_ben-xvi_exh_20100930_verbum-domini.html

 
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