How to tell Catholic in-laws you're not using NFP

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but we’re only on page 5!!! We have a lot more to say! 😃

Thank you OP. I now have even more motivation to pray for a single vocation for my many sons…I never want to talk about fertility signs, hormones, temping, etc with a DIL!!! :eek:
 
Your right. I was raised Catholic, went to 12 years or Catholic school, and have worked at a Catholic school for twenty year and I have rarely heard the term evangelize. We use the term teach, so I do not know how far one goes with evangelizing. Maybe what I see has bullying is actually suppose to be evangelizing.

For example, on this post, the OP was very clear what this post was to be about yet there seem to be posters who just want to “evangelize” their point rather than to respect the OP request. There are plenty of other post for that, but the insist, which to me is uncharitable. I think they are too crossing a line.
We use the term “apostolate”

The Church is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. We are all called by our baptism into the Church to help teach and spread the word of Christ. We prefer to do it through love and logic 🙂

From the CCC
#863 The whole Church is apostolic, in that she remains, through the successors of St. Peter and the other apostles, in communion of faith and life with her origin: and in that she is “sent out” into the whole world. All members of the Church share in this mission, though in various ways. “The Christian vocation is, of its nature, a vocation to the apostolate as well.” Indeed, we call an apostolate “every activity of the Mystical Body” that aims "to spread the Kingdom of Christ over all the earth."377
 
I understand the OP’s concern with what to tell the in-laws. I love Easter Joy’s response which is basically we aren’t sharing details about any of our family planning with anyone.

I come at this from the perspective as the mother of the bride whose DD is getting married in 5 weeks :D. It has been an interesting experience in figuring out what to say or not say on the subject. My DH and I have always used NFP but I don’t know that my own children totally realized that a since it isn’t a conversation topic we’ve had with them but we also didn’t “hide it”. I tried not to nag about getting to the class earlier rather than later as required by our archdiocese so if they chose to use this, they would have some charting experience before marriage. She asked my opinion about the different NFP methods in choosing which one to attend.

They hated the class which was sad since I know they were at least open using NFP (can you imagine what those who were just there to check off a box to get married in the church?). I debated with myself about suggesting they talk with a young teacher colleague of mine who uses the same method but finally did and DD was open to meeting with her one on one.

DD offered the information that she finally bought a basal thermometer and gave me her hardship story of going to 4 stores to find it. I don’t know if she was just trying to make me feel good that they are going to use NFP or if they really will be but as her mom, I’m hoping and praying it’s the later.

Now, I just need to heed Easter Joy’s advice and not ask whether they’re trying or avoiding or really trying or just not actively avoiding or…:D:D I do know my future son in law says he wants 10 kids!!!

Kris
 
My wife wrote a letter to my mom about our reasons for using NFP. This was many years ago. I found out later that mom shared it with her Pastor at the parish where I grew up, and HE READ PARTS OF IT IN A HOMILY!

I didn’t know whether to feel proud or be mortified! I’m sure we weren’t identified, but, still…

Since a very small percentage of Catholics use NFP, the odds of our children following in our footsteps are slim, even if we are the greatest evangelists in the world, which I am not.
 
Thank you everyone for your replies!

I would appreciate if no more replies were made since my initial question has been answered. Thank you for your time!🙂
And the thread goes ever on. :o

I trust that the priest who talked with you and your fiance would have addressed anything that any of us can think to bring up. I will say a prayer for you both.
 
I was raised Catholic, went to 12 years or Catholic school, and have worked at a Catholic school for twenty year and I have rarely heard the term evangelize.
That right there is scary.

I don’t mean that as a criticism of you, shelby, but just of the whole situation. Evangelism is a critical part of being Christian, and the fact that parts of our Church have lost that is truly sad.
 
That right there is scary.

I don’t mean that as a criticism of you, shelby, but just of the whole situation. Evangelism is a critical part of being Christian, and the fact that parts of our Church have lost that is truly sad.
Amen!
 
A thread about a Catholic wedding taking place between an agnostic and a lapsed-Catholic who have no desire to have children at a Protestant Church in order to appease a Catholic family members desire, and some people are being chastised for diverting from the OP’s main question which was in essence “how do I conceal from my family that although I am being married in the Catholic Church, I have no intention to live chastely?”. Wow. :doh2:
 
A thread about a Catholic wedding taking place between an agnostic and a lapsed-Catholic who have no desire to have children at a Protestant Church in order to appease a Catholic family members desire, and some people are being chastised for diverting from the OP’s main question which was in essence “how do I conceal from my family that although I am being married in the Catholic Church, I have no intention to live chastely?”. Wow. :doh2:
That’s my thought as well.
AND…a “catholic” is posting that we Catholics are wrong to advise against it…because the OP did not specifically ask for advice on the marriage."
Wow is right. OK, let’s just turn a blind eye to all people marrying, or Baptizing, or doing anything in “church” with an odd intention because they might be offended.
if the OP were going to worry about US offending, then the question would not have been posed here.
What would one expect from a Catholic site? Certainly not one Catholic accusing another for being unkind when expressing concern. But…you never can tell…🤷

The questions really should be:
How can I and my fiancé thumb our noses at his parents beliefs and still have a wedding?
Privacy is one thing. Deception is quite another.
 
That’s my thought as well.
AND…a “catholic” is posting that we Catholics are wrong to advise against it…because the OP did not specifically ask for advice on the marriage."
Wow is right. OK, let’s just turn a blind eye to all people marrying, or Baptizing, or doing anything in “church” with an odd intention because they might be offended.
if the OP were going to worry about US offending, then the question would not have been posed here.
What would one expect from a Catholic site? Certainly not one Catholic accusing another for being unkind when expressing concern. But…you never can tell…🤷

The questions really should be:
How can I and my fiancé thumb our noses at his parents beliefs and still have a wedding?
Privacy is one thing. Deception is quite another.
In fairness to the OP, she already said that she and her fiance spoke with a priest. I think it likely that he would bring up any of the concerns that we are able to come up with. And he would probably be able to discuss it with them both in a more productive manner than is possible on an anonymous internet forum…

If the OP says repeatedly that it’s not what she wants to discuss, I don’t think us continually bringing it up anyway is likely to encourage her to keep an open mind about it.
 
So confused!?

You are agnostic your fiancee is Catholic and you got a dispensation to marry in a Church that neither of you belong to?

Oy Vey!
Correct. Neither is following the faith, so why even bother with the dispensation?

Sounds like a case of being Catholic in name only or a “cafeteria Catholic”.

In either case, it’s not your mother-in-law’s concern. Just tell her you are not planning on following the Church’s teaching on this issue, that it’s between God and yourselves, that you don’t wish to discuss it further.
 
In fairness to the OP, she already said that she and her fiance spoke with a priest. I think it likely that he would bring up any of the concerns that we are able to come up with. And he would probably be able to discuss it with them both in a more productive manner than is possible on an anonymous internet forum…

If the OP says repeatedly that it’s not what she wants to discuss, I don’t think us continually bringing it up anyway is likely to encourage her to keep an open mind about it.
This may be true, but at the same time it is imprudent not to address and make clear the dishonesty and deception involved in this scenario. We should not leave the OP with the impression that what her and her future husband are doing is OK. Future CAF users with a similar inquiry may stumble across this thread and be mislead by the many lenient answers here that disguise themselves as “pastoral”.
 
That right there is scary.

I don’t mean that as a criticism of you, shelby, but just of the whole situation. Evangelism is a critical part of being Christian, and the fact that parts of our Church have lost that is truly sad.
You took my quote out of context as I am not one for evangelizing but teaching when asked for.
 
If you are going to post please read the post correctly out of respect to the OP. She clearly stated she was getting married in a Christ of Christ church!
Actually, no. They may be getting married in the church of Christ building, but they are still going through the process to get married through the catholic church, so it is valid…hence “in the catholic church”… even though its not in the building.
 
This may be true, but at the same time it is imprudent not to address and make clear the dishonesty and deception involved in this scenario. We should not leave the OP with the impression that what her and her future husband are doing is OK. Future CAF users with a similar inquiry may stumble across this thread and be mislead by the many lenient answers here that disguise themselves as “pastoral”.
Fair enough.
 
You took my quote out of context as I am not one for evangelizing but teaching when asked for.
I said that my comment was not a criticism of you. You do not need to defend yourself.

As to your comment about not being for evangelizing, I think you actually might be, in both the traditional, and now modern way it has been encouraged by St. John Paul II, and Popes Benedict and Francis. Evangelism means proclaiming the good news of the Gospel, which is something that should be apparent from how we live, not just what we say. So living by example is definitely a form of evangelism.
 
Correct. Neither is following the faith, so why even bother with the dispensation?

Sounds like a case of being Catholic in name only or a “cafeteria Catholic”.

In either case, it’s not your mother-in-law’s concern. Just tell her you are not planning on following the Church’s teaching on this issue, that it’s between God and yourselves, that you don’t wish to discuss it further.
Catholics are bound to follow canon law with regards to marriage, whether they are “cafeteria” or not. If the groom still self-identifies as Catholic and is willing to do his duty as a Catholic with regards to his marriage, why criticize him for it? If a Catholic is inclined to follow the law, it is not right to persuade them not to do it on the grounds that they don’t follow other laws. If their bishop permits the marriage, who is going to step in and tell him that he’s overstepped his authority?
 
MomaMary8 said:

“Thank you OP. I now have even more motivation to pray for a single vocation for my many sons…I never want to talk about fertility signs, hormones, temping, etc with a DIL!!!”

The subject has somehow never come up with my faithful Catholic MIL.
 
MomaMary8 said:

“Thank you OP. I now have even more motivation to pray for a single vocation for my many sons…I never want to talk about fertility signs, hormones, temping, etc with a DIL!!!”

The subject has somehow never come up with my faithful Catholic MIL.
My mother, sister and sister in laws are really very close but we NEVER discuss our sexual practices. Both my SIL’s are converts and probably contracept since unfortunately most Catholics of our age do. My sister and I don’t discuss that at all and truly, I don’t even wonder. For heavens sake she’s my baby sister and would never have sex (even though she’s 46 and married 21 years).

Menopause on the other hand. You would need an axe to shut my family up about their menopauses!
 
Menopause on the other hand. You would need an axe to shut my family up about their menopauses!
😃

To the broader points regarding giving the OP feedback she didn’t specifically request or continuing to post on the thread after the OP said she doesn’t want posts – (Interestingly, the OP uses the skill she was coming here to seek - she closed her side of the conversation and moved on. Just observing…)

I liken message boards to a cocktail party, let’s say I’m in the living room at a cocktail party and someone asks me a question, I answer that, but there’s something additional in the way they asked it that leads me to drill down on something related to, but not exactly, where we started.

Two or three other ppl join us, we catch them up on the conversation. Their (name removed by moderator)ut is solicited and they may start with their perspective on the original topic and choose to expand on a different detail. The person who started the conversation doesn’t get to jump up on the couch and yell “Stop the conversation! I only wanted to talk about this! You must stop talking!”

As our conversation continues we may move to broader philosophical points, people may be giving their personal stories/ experiences on the topic, or we may move into something completely tangential. If the original “asker” isn’t interested s/he can move on to another conversation, go to the kitchen to help the host, refresh his/ her drink, etc. If the conversation interests us, we’re still staying the in the living room talking.

To the OP’s situation, she came here seeking a Catholic perspective on a narrow aspect of her situation. She got a fuller Catholic perspective on the broader situation. She included the additional detail. If she didn’t want questions or feedback about that, then limit the details. If she wanted a secular perspective on setting a boundary with her MIL she should have posted to Dear Prudence or another, secular, advice column.
 
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