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Wondering_Waif
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Oh my Celeste! I was being good and leaving that one ALONE.
However I’ll follow this discussion with great interest!
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However I’ll follow this discussion with great interest!
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marymol
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Dera wondering waif / Child of The Father,
Pleas keeep me in your prayers too …
As Rev. Fr. Cantalamessa ( preacher to the papal household )says -’ it is in the lives of saints that the proof of satan’s activity stand out like black and white '…(Many of his wonderful books , in very small volumes are availble at Amazon.com)
So, I am not judging these persons as evil - but being in bondage, needing help…
Now somewhere I had heard too that if we are not in a state of grace , satan ( power in the air ) can capture our prayers !
May The Protection of the Precious Blood be with us !
O Mary,concieved without sin , pray for us !
Pleas keeep me in your prayers too …
As Rev. Fr. Cantalamessa ( preacher to the papal household )says -’ it is in the lives of saints that the proof of satan’s activity stand out like black and white '…(Many of his wonderful books , in very small volumes are availble at Amazon.com)
So, I am not judging these persons as evil - but being in bondage, needing help…
Now somewhere I had heard too that if we are not in a state of grace , satan ( power in the air ) can capture our prayers !
May The Protection of the Precious Blood be with us !
O Mary,concieved without sin , pray for us !
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Cupofkindness
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I haven’t read all of the posts but I will say that in no uncertain terms, active, open homosexual behavior, including just being a couple,
Save your lessons on compassion and tolerance for when children in your family are older teens or young adults.Keep impressionable children away from gay couples. Why are you worried about appearing to be a good Christian? Be a good parent and protect your children’s souls.
You do not need to invite someone just to be nice or appear politically correct. Gay couples send a confusing message to children, and they want to because the only way that the gay community continues to grow is by sucking in people who are confused about their sexual identity.
This is not the norm and it is astounding how many people are quick to embrace homosexuals as if they were normal. They have a profound disorder at the very root of their psyche that is at best, confusing to people who aren’t gay and at worst, tearing apart Judeo-Christian society. All in the name of tolerance.
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is very, very confusing to children who are under twelve years old.You do not need to invite someone just to be nice or appear politically correct. Gay couples send a confusing message to children, and they want to because the only way that the gay community continues to grow is by sucking in people who are confused about their sexual identity.
This is not the norm and it is astounding how many people are quick to embrace homosexuals as if they were normal. They have a profound disorder at the very root of their psyche that is at best, confusing to people who aren’t gay and at worst, tearing apart Judeo-Christian society. All in the name of tolerance.
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fix
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Thank you for pointing out same saneness. It is not about beating up on anyone or being cold and mean spirited. We have forgotten that children are being formed in mind and spirit and we have an obligation not to confuse or corrupt them. Such simple things are lost on many “enlightened” minds today.
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Wondering_Waif
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I understand your belief but you’re wrong. It is statistically improbable that there were not a number of sinners among the 5000, who were simply hungry and therefore fed.
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Wondering_Waif
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There is so much wrong with your thinking that it’s hard to know where to begin, let me say this much, however, if ten percent of the group could tear apart Judeo-Christian society then it would not be worth saving.
Let me put your mind at ease. The homosexual will not tear about J/C society.
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Wondering_Waif
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Oh Good Grief, you’re imagining things!I agree with you whole heartly. Why do we have to accept their behaviors, why do we have to expose our children to them. 50 years ago “Uncle John” would not bring his “friend” to a family gathering. No one had to know of Uncle John’s bedroom activies, nor were they discussed. Uncle John was just a confirmed bacholor. Now it’s in your face, accept my “partner” Love me because I gay and proud. :banghead: I am tired of the Gay agenda in my face tell us we have to accept them, along with their behaviors, and any views we uphold, such as Family, Religion and Morals are considered to be “wrong” because we are “narrow minded”?Well excuse me!
Do you honestly think that her Gay relative will come to dinner and then start talking about his personal sex life?
If that were the case he should stay home!
The family didn’t even know for sure that the relative was Gay until the daugher asked him directly, so it’s unlikely that he’s going to go all political at a family dinner.
We’re talking Thanksgiving dinner here, not a Gay pride march, note the difference!
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Wondering_Waif
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I’ll keep you in my prayers if you’ll keep me in yours…I don’t see these folks as being evil, either.
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fix
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Wondering Waif:
Please explain what you disagree with. The agenda is helping to change society for the worse. This seems self evident. It is one more serious symptom of decline. Is that not obvious?
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Wondering_Waif
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I have had first hand encounters with many SSA people.
btw.
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Wondering_Waif
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Nice, Siena, so you’re solution is to have the partner stay alone on Thanksgiving Day.
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kaymart
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Wondering Waif:
Yes, but with most gays do they or do they not make everything into an issue? I love the sinner but not the sin. Like a said in my post, years ago this would be a non-issue. “Uncle John” would not bring his “lover” around the family and force others to “understand and accept” The topic would never be brought up. Am I saying hide it in a closet? Yes I am, if you are going to continue to sin and not repent, then why do I have to understand and accept their sin? God calls all homosexual persons to lead a chaste life. BTW, the relative must be giving out signals if the daughter picked this up about him being a homosexual.
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MikeinSD
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this is the pay-off when a homosexual demands ‘respect’ in his/her family.
Your story is proof positive of how destructive the homosexual agenda is. Thanks for sharing.
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Thank goodness my immediate family still welcomes me. The more devout relatives in the extended family have to put up with my company during holidays. It is trying for everyone but as long as we remember the manners our mothers taught us, we remain polite.
As for the teen age grandkids, seeing how we interact is a great lesson in common decency. We all know each other’s dirt. The dirt is piled high and deep regardless of religious conviction. I think the kids enjoy watching the two-timing hypocrite pass the butter to the tax cheater. And the perjurer passes the rolls to me. I guess we’re all family.
Your story is proof positive of how destructive the homosexual agenda is. Thanks for sharing.
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Thank goodness my immediate family still welcomes me. The more devout relatives in the extended family have to put up with my company during holidays. It is trying for everyone but as long as we remember the manners our mothers taught us, we remain polite.
As for the teen age grandkids, seeing how we interact is a great lesson in common decency. We all know each other’s dirt. The dirt is piled high and deep regardless of religious conviction. I think the kids enjoy watching the two-timing hypocrite pass the butter to the tax cheater. And the perjurer passes the rolls to me. I guess we’re all family.
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newf
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You gave me a chuckle. Thanks. And it is like this at many of our homes during Thanksgiving. But there is a difference…and that is that the perjurer, tax cheater and hypocrite are not trying to tell you that’s how they are made and we need to accept them as they are. They know they are sinners (hopefully). And they probably try to hide what they do if they have not repented. The practicing homosexual does not agree that his behavior as sinful. Two very different situations.
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fix
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Yes, I enjoy having my kids be in the company of manifest sinners who can confuse them and desensitize them to moral correctness. After all kids are as mature as adults and can sort all that out.
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mercygate
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I dunno. Our family perjuror and tax cheater thinks anybody who doesn’t keep two sets of books is naive . . .
And I still say that if the gay relative (with or without his partner) conducts himself respectably and respectfully, and doesn’t push his lifestyle in your face, he should come to dinner and nobody should get bent out of shape over it. Maybe the partner also has family who want to see him for the holidays, and the twosome factor will not be a factor.
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marymol
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Thanks , that is a good one Mikeinsd - had a good belly laugh 
'Where you heart is ,there your treasure is ’
True , The Church do not consider SSA as sin…yet , but we can equate these as - ‘prediabetic’ , precancerous conditions… that can benefit from intense preventive care …someone who might have been exposed to SARS and who need to be in quarantine …
( As to the Thanksgiving meal , good sensible advice - ‘invite him, not the friend -’ )
Even there , we have The Church as an example , if someone has to be excluded…
Persons who are not FAMILY, (as in full communion ) are not invited for the Family Meal - The Eucharist ; because it would not be ‘good’ for them yet , send the wrong message
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The Merciful Father of the prodigal son, did not send him food or even invite him…except in loving prayer …he walked all the way back,because he was lonely and starving …
The crowds that came to The Lord, wanted to hear him…stayed with Him, for three days - lot of love and loyalty…
'Where you heart is ,there your treasure is ’
True , The Church do not consider SSA as sin…yet , but we can equate these as - ‘prediabetic’ , precancerous conditions… that can benefit from intense preventive care …someone who might have been exposed to SARS and who need to be in quarantine …
( As to the Thanksgiving meal , good sensible advice - ‘invite him, not the friend -’ )
Even there , we have The Church as an example , if someone has to be excluded…
Persons who are not FAMILY, (as in full communion ) are not invited for the Family Meal - The Eucharist ; because it would not be ‘good’ for them yet , send the wrong message
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The Merciful Father of the prodigal son, did not send him food or even invite him…except in loving prayer …he walked all the way back,because he was lonely and starving …
The crowds that came to The Lord, wanted to hear him…stayed with Him, for three days - lot of love and loyalty…
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contemplative
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These are two completely different stories. What is the confusion about? Did you decide that you did not like your first account of family life?
And what about the devout Christians in your family? and their teenage children? What happened to them? How does your story go now?
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Cupofkindness
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MikeinSD:
I’m sorry your familly life is what you described, but that’s no reason that anyone has to accept a family member’s immoral situation as just another branch on the family tree. It’s bad for him and it’s bad for his family, who has to endure this mess.
Not only is this guy gay, but he left the priesthood. That a very sorry role model for anyone’s children. Here’s a man who had consecrated his life to the Lord and the Catholic Church and then, abandons all of it, and doesn’t give his own brother any explanation of his incredbile behavior? That is just unkind and shows a lack of respect for other people in his life. That sort of behavior should be called what it is: dishonest and manipulative. That’s not fair to the other members of ex-priests family. It’s like the OPs brother in law is doing this for shock value. How heartbreaking for his parents.
This man has choosen a gay life style and a gay partner for support. So he can make his home in the community he has choosen. By treating his family of origin in this manner, he has shown them that their values and feelings are simply not all that important to him. I’d be very, very angry if my BIL did this to my husband, husbands parents, and everyone else in between. It’s extremely selfish. This man sounds self absorbed and confused, I’m sure in time more will surface as to what motivated his unfortunate choices. I’m glad the OP has made a decision to pray for him, he really needs it. I’d skip the invitations to graduation. Why should you put yourself through the anxiety of wondering how this guy and his boyfriend are going to act on your son’s big day or what sort of message he will send to the rest of your guests?
I’m sorry your familly life is what you described, but that’s no reason that anyone has to accept a family member’s immoral situation as just another branch on the family tree. It’s bad for him and it’s bad for his family, who has to endure this mess.
Not only is this guy gay, but he left the priesthood. That a very sorry role model for anyone’s children. Here’s a man who had consecrated his life to the Lord and the Catholic Church and then, abandons all of it, and doesn’t give his own brother any explanation of his incredbile behavior? That is just unkind and shows a lack of respect for other people in his life. That sort of behavior should be called what it is: dishonest and manipulative. That’s not fair to the other members of ex-priests family. It’s like the OPs brother in law is doing this for shock value. How heartbreaking for his parents.
This man has choosen a gay life style and a gay partner for support. So he can make his home in the community he has choosen. By treating his family of origin in this manner, he has shown them that their values and feelings are simply not all that important to him. I’d be very, very angry if my BIL did this to my husband, husbands parents, and everyone else in between. It’s extremely selfish. This man sounds self absorbed and confused, I’m sure in time more will surface as to what motivated his unfortunate choices. I’m glad the OP has made a decision to pray for him, he really needs it. I’d skip the invitations to graduation. Why should you put yourself through the anxiety of wondering how this guy and his boyfriend are going to act on your son’s big day or what sort of message he will send to the rest of your guests?
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