How to turn someone pro-life in two easy steps

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athansor said:
I have to wonder…those of you who say you know so many people like the person in the OP…where do you live that you know so many vegans? I am vegan, and have lived in many places, and personally know in real life exactly 2 other vegans (one who is pro-life like me). I shop at stores that sell specialty foods, eat at restaurants that serve vegan dishes, and still rarely get to meet another vegan. I would love to know more vegans in real life, then I could get some good ideas for what to make for the big holiday dinner!
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Ann Arbor, Michigan.
You could throw a stick in any direction and hit one.
More vegetarians than vegans to be sure, but definitely a fair number of vegans.
There’s even a vegan restaurant, Seva, which is really, really yummy.
I’m just a plain vegetarian (hence my raising chickens - I like 'em cuz they’re pretty and I really, really like fresh eggs. I mean, really.)
I’m not sure what they’re all cooking up for Thanks Alot holiday…I’ll have to ask. BUT If any of them tries to get me to eat something that they CLAIM tastes just like turkey, but actually tastes like soap, I"m walking out of their house. Sheesh!
 
Highwayhound said:
A creative demonstration - plus no child was harmed during the process.

Have you talked to your friend since? Her response after taking time to reflect on it would be interesting?

God bless
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Oh yeah.
She says I was mean to make her think I was killing baby chickens.
I said she was mean for defending the ACTUAL killing of baby humans.
She said ‘Point taken’
She sees the inconsistency now in her stance, but I know it’s a hard one for her to leave (it was for me, too). Believe it or not, if she were to go to her friends and say ‘Hey, I just realized that killing unborn humans is a pretty awful thing to do’ well, at the very least they wouldn’t be her friends anymore. It’s a transition, it’ll take some time, but I know her heart is open now.
I told her a few more things now that she’s willing to listen - the seedy side of PP, its beginning in eugenics. Before she would have written it off as propaganda, but I told her ‘look it up for yourself’.Before she wouldn’t have bothered. Now she did and she’s horrified.
 
A friend of mine had a tee-shirt that said “When it’s a chicken, it’s an omelette. When it’s a human, it’s an abortion.”

She wore it during a debate in our class about abortion, so I brought everyone’s attention to her shirt. After describing the logic of “terminating a pregnancy,” I pointed to her shirt and said: “By that logic, when it’s a chicken, it’s an abortion. When it’s a human, it’s still an abortion.”

A couple people tried to refute it, but I pointed out logical fallicies and double-think that they were using. Even my teacher had to tell the class that my argument was logically sound and to move on instead of forcing me to belabor my point.
 
IHeartAquinas said:
A friend of mine had a tee-shirt that said “When it’s a chicken, it’s an omelette. When it’s a human, it’s an abortion.”

She wore it during a debate in our class about abortion, so I brought everyone’s attention to her shirt. After describing the logic of “terminating a pregnancy,” I pointed to her shirt and said: “By that logic, when it’s a chicken, it’s an abortion. When it’s a human, it’s still an abortion.”

A couple people tried to refute it, but I pointed out logical fallicies and double-think that they were using. Even my teacher had to tell the class that my argument was logically sound and to move on instead of forcing me to belabor my point.
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While I’m glad that it worked out for you, it appears you were talking to a bunch of “city kids”. I can tell you that your friends shirt would do nothing to change my mind.
An unfertilized egg is just that. It is an egg. Omlettes are always made with unfertilized eggs.
Fertilized eggs no longer eggs. They are chickens (or humans) therefore the analogy does not work for me.

Just to be clear here, I am pro-life - I am only pointing out the error in the analogy.

Peace
James
 
JRKH said:
While I’m glad that it worked out for you, it appears you were talking to a bunch of “city kids”. I can tell you that your friends shirt would do nothing to change my mind.
An unfertilized egg is just that. It is an egg. Omlettes are always made with unfertilized eggs.
Fertilized eggs no longer eggs. They are chickens (or humans) therefore the analogy does not work for me.
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I have eaten fertilized eggs, and as long as they do not start to develop (If they are never incubated) they are fine to eat and taste just the same.
I would say fertilized eggs that have not started to develop could be called eggs. If they start to develop, they are chickens. 🤷
 
JRKH said:
I had an Idea of a Pro-Life Poster/Billboard.

Side by Side are two pictures.
On the Left, a 10 Week Old Fetus, On the Right a 6 month Old Smiling Baby
First Line - In the Top center - Try To Deny It
Above the Fetus and baby is written, “In one year This Will become This”
Below the Pictures is written, “Abort This and you kill This”

I think it would be effective.

Peace
James
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GREAT IDEA!!

Have you thought about contacting “Prolife Across America” (“the billboard people”) to see if they’d run something like that?

In Christ

Ellen
 
Bearing in mind that I think most city/suburban people would find your demonstration shocking, I know there are also plenty of hardline carnivores out there who, if they are pro-life, could possibly be converted to vegetarianism using similar arguments in reverse (though perhaps without the live-action demo…). A chicken is, after all, far more capable of feeling pain and suffering than an early-term human foetus, so if the foetus is to be protected, why not the chicken…? Of course, that would no doubt lead to a lengthy discussion of ethics and why species membership is so often assumed to be more important than sentience, so it’s probably best not to open that can of worms unless you have a **lot **of spare time on your hands. :ehh:
 
bigfootbob said:
I have eaten fertilized eggs, and as long as they do not start to develop (If they are never incubated) they are fine to eat and taste just the same.
I would say fertilized eggs that have not started to develop could be called eggs. If they start to develop, they are chickens. 🤷
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Point taken.

However in todays world of commercially produced eggs there are no Roosters around the hens to fertilize the eggs. So, unless you go to someones “farm” to buy your eggs, it is pretty safe bet you have unfertilized eggs.

Peace
James
 
JRKH said:
Point taken.

However in todays world of commercially produced eggs there are no Roosters around the hens to fertilize the eggs. So, unless you go to someones “farm” to buy your eggs, it is pretty safe bet you have unfertilized eggs.

Peace
James
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In some laces, it is considered quite a delicacy to eat partially developed eggs, and also very good for you. Doesn’t appeal to me, though I have eaten lots of fertilized eggs when I had my own chickens.
 
Actually I’m in a situation where I’m wondering how to do this. An abortion dr. has a facebook fan page if you can believe it, and I often post thigns that try to get the pro life prospective across. I try not to be too outrageous in my retoric because she can deliete any comments I made. Some comments she hasn’t delited.

What should I say to get her to change her mind on the issue?
 
I see fertilized eggs in the store and I wonder whether vegetarians buy them as a substitute for meat, unaware that they are meat. That was on my mind a while ago. Of course, the development begins immediately, but is slowed by refrigeration. It’s a chicken if it’s fertilized. But it can be used as an egg up to some point. But it’s not wrong to use a chicken as an egg because it’s not wrong to eat a chicken. If it were wrong to eat a chicken, it would be important to make sure one’s omelettes were made from unfertilized eggs.
This reminds me of the use of the term “fertilized egg” to refer to embryos. Recently someone mentioned “the fertilized egg implanting in the uterus”. The embryo who implants in the uterus is five to ten days old – with hundreds to thousands of cells, with functioning bud-organs, and with a shape somewhere between a slightly elongated hollow ball and a coiling and swimming vertebrate; the egg is long gone. In us mammals there is actually no such creature as the fertilized egg; fertilization ends the existence of the egg and begins the existence of the zygote, who isn’t an egg. Egg-laying creatures go through a fertilized-egg stage because the term “egg” in those species refers both to the ovum and to the zygote/embryo/fetus and its food and shell. But in mammals it means the ovum only. Ova are by definition unfertilized.
 
ALLGIRLS said:
GREAT IDEA!!

Have you thought about contacting “Prolife Across America” (“the billboard people”) to see if they’d run something like that?

In Christ

Ellen
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ALLGIRLS,
Just an update.
I took your suggestion and contacted Prolife Across America with the idea of the billboard.
I just received a reply thanking me and informing me of something interesting.
It appears that most outdoor advertising companies will not allow the use of the term abortion in ads.
I suppose this has a good and bad side.
On the one hand Planned Parenthood and others cannot outright advertise their abortion services. On the other hand Prolife groups cannot target abortion directly, Each must edverise euphemistically. 🤷

Peace
James
 
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