How to vote in 2008 with the abortion issue?

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My probem is with the abortion issue. I am totally against it and continue to be horrified that it is allowed in the U.S. and any countries. I tend to want to vote with those who are against abortion. My problem is I really do not think that there are any politicians who have the courage to fight it. If that is the case and they will not fight the fight and do what is morally correct then who do I vote for? Should I leave the decision up to individuals to go through with this sin and vote for the party that tends to help those who need other aid the most or do I continue to vote for the party who talks the talk but does not follow through and who are more frugal in their monetary support of aid in all of its forms?
 
My probem is with the abortion issue. I am totally against it and continue to be horrified that it is allowed in the U.S. and any countries. I tend to want to vote with those who are against abortion. My problem is I really do not think that there are any politicians who have the courage to fight it. If that is the case and they will not fight the fight and do what is morally correct then who do I vote for? Should I leave the decision up to individuals to go through with this sin and vote for the party that tends to help those who need other aid the most or do I continue to vote for the party who talks the talk but does not follow through and who are more frugal in their monetary support of aid in all of its forms?
I think all faithful Catholics should start some grassroots support for Senator Sam Brownback, who reportedly is running for President in 2008. Brownback is a Catholic convert and is pro-life and against gay marriage and embryonic stem cell research. He’s smart, tough, and well respected by both parties.
 
I believe the election of a pro life President will do nothing to change things. Witness the current situation.
Just an opinion.
 
I believe the election of a pro life President will do nothing to change things. Witness the current situation.
Just an opinion.
Brian, I disagree. I think if we get a real PRO-LIFE president, he can do something with whatever power he has. And He can appoint Pro-life Justices if nothing else. Vote Pro-Life.

Catholig
 
I think all faithful Catholics should start some grassroots support for Senator Sam Brownback, who reportedly is running for President in 2008. Brownback is a Catholic convert and is pro-life and against gay marriage and embryonic stem cell research. He’s smart, tough, and well respected by both parties.
I second that.
 
NOTHING can be done about abortion federally until Roe v Wade is overturned. That cannot be done unless presidents are elected who will nominate justices who see the judicial branch’s job as interpreting the Constitution, not creating new law to rectify perceived injustices not mentioned in the Constitution or amendments. Trouble is that it is VERY hard to find people who see law this way AND have a nebulous enough record to get through the Senate approval process past the abortion gate-keepers like Ted Kennedy and his ilk.

IMO, if you are pro-life and believe in government programs to aid the poor, your best bet is to ONLY vote for pro-life candidates for president and senate. If that means that you have to vote for a party that repulses you on social justice issues (i.e. Republican most of the time), then go ahead and vote Democrat for the House. That will require both sides to compromise on most issues but will deprive the Dems (who appear to be OWNED by the abortion industry) the ability to block future genuine pro-life justices.

You say that some pols only SAY they are pro-life, and that may be true (such as Bob Casey junior, who recently voted to put the PRO-abortion party in control of the Senate judiciary committee). But look at history. Read up on the Robert Bork nomination in the 80’s. It is the DEMOCRATS that have forced republican administrations to find candidates with vague records on abortion instead of outright pro-life justices. Do the research. Dems have over and over again proven that abortion is their most sacred principle and that they will indefinately block any nominee that threatens it, no matter the national consequences of unfilled offices. No other issue is as important to them than maintaining abortion. R’s have failed to pull it off some times as disappointments like Souter and Kennedy prove. But they HAVE gotten good ones in like Thomas and Scalia (and hopefully Roberts and Alito). EVERY SINGLE democratic nominee since Roe has been firmly on record as unwilling to reconsider Roe before being nominated. That will continue because it is one of the most revered principle of that party.

Think about it hard. Vote pro-life for senate and president, even if you don’t like their stance on lesser issues. Use your House vote as a check on the stances you dislike in the pro-life presidential and senate candidates. The two will have to compromise on most issues, but the pro-lifers will have no excuse on abortion (at least until Roe is defeated). Consider that pro-lifers may be only ONE JUSTICE away from defeating the evil decision of Roe v Wade and putting the abortion issue in the hands of the legislative branch, where it has always rightly belonged. THEN we will have to face tougher choices. For now, the House is nearly irrelevant on abortion and you can feel free to vote that way without getting bloodstains on your voting hand.
 
Check out Catholic Answers Booklet on the “5 non-negotionables”

The most important issue is life, everything else comes after. I would NEVER vote for a pro-abortion canidate. I
 
I believe the election of a pro life President will do nothing to change things. Witness the current situation.
Just an opinion.
Brian,

I am afraid I must disagree. G. W. Bush has made some seemingly positive tweaks to the US Supreme Court, the body that made the current abortion law to begin with (Funny, I always thought courts were supposed to interpret law, not make it. :mad: )

A Pro Life president will have many challenges, but I think it would be very bad if a pro-death Democrat or pro-abortion Republican were to take the office. They would stack the court and allow tax money to be used for evil purposes like federal funding for baby murder.
 
I believe the election of a pro life President will do nothing to change things. Witness the current situation.
Just an opinion.
an opinion usaually held by someone who is trying to rationalize their voting for a pro-abortion canidate. i have posted numerous times the great strides we have made in limiting abortions since Bush took office.

BTW-did you know that the democrats have in the last 90 days killed both the fetal pain act and the federal parental noticiation law? But parties dont matter, do they?
 
Can you find sources for you above statement? I just need facts, its not that I doubt you.

Catholig
 
I believe the election of a pro life President will do nothing to change things. Witness the current situation.
Just an opinion.
its a start !!! then we need a prolife senate and congress. if every catholic that votes , puts asside the political stuff and votes anti abortion like they arr supposed to, abortion woud end faster than your head could spin. the problem is todays catholics are too worrried about being good americans before good catholics. ohwell someone is going to get punished on the final judgement day for the infantaside going on and it isnt me!
 
If you wouldn’t vote for a pro-salvery candidate no matter what his or her positions were on other issues then why would it make sense to vote for a pro-abortion candidate regardless of how much you like his or her positions on other issues?

If the American people and Catholics keep voting for people who say they are in favor of killing babies why all the handringing?

If you vote for death–death is what you’ll get!

And since there are more Catholics in congress than any other denomination and there are also many other pro-life people from other religions–the REAL reason we still have abortion is that Catholic Congressman support it and American bishops do nothing to discipline them.

Pray that will change and vote pro-life!

And if you want to vote Democrat that’s fine–vote pro-life Democrat! Some of them were elected this time.

There’s no excuse for voting pro-death whether it is Republican or Democrat!
 
Aside from abortion, there are also other aspects worth considering. I have no knowledge whatsoever where politics are concerned (I’m not a citizen and therefore can’t vote anyway), but one should also elect a senator who would do something about world issues.

Why do abortion and gay marriages seem to be our biggest concerns? It’s true all babies deserve to live and homosexuality is probably abominable, but what about discouraging senseless killing (wars, genocides in other countries) and eliminating senseless hatred (that is ubiquitous in this country)? What about encouraging more people to adopt an orphan? Why not concentrate in fighting the root of abortion and homosexuality, which is a strange obsession with sex? The obsession didn’t use to be so bad. Girls of the early nineties still dressed modestly.

I’m not sure what I was going with that, but maybe I’m just suggesting that perhaps the world’s problem will not be solved even if we have a pro-life president.
 
For me, the biggest reason is that the Pope said they trump all issues.
Please do not think that I am questioning you, I would just like to know where to find this from the Pope. Can you direct me to where I can see it? I don’t want people to be angry with me in this forum, I just want to do as Christ would have me to do. I would like the Catholics in politics to vote how they are supposed to, against abortion. I do not understand this idea of putting country before God. I love our country but it is far from the most important thing to me, Faith comes first.
 
I get sick to my stomach every time I vote.

I tend to vote pro life democrat first if there is one, (I am a member of Democrats for life) and then I will usually end up voting for an independent rather than a pro choice Dem or a war-happy, ignore the poor, might makes right, god is an American, homophobic, cater to the wealthy republican.

However, despite all of this, I really do believe that most “pro-life” politicians (I said most) are only pro life during the elections. The “pro-life” republicans had control of congress for 12 years. I’m still trying to figure out if they did anything. They could have easily taken some steps that both parties agree on like adoption reform (which would help reduce abortions) but didn’t to my knowledge. I will however give a thumbs up to Bush for his two supreme court nominations.

It is important to remember that just being against abortion does not give anyone the right to say they are pro life. There are more issues regarding life than just that of abortion (yes I agree that abortion is the front runner right now because of numbers. I’m not ignoring the Church teaching on this one at all). Being Pro life means so much more than just being against abortion. It means protecting the sancity of life and the dignity of all people. The idea of “one human family” runs rampant throughout Catholic Social Teaching. We can’t demand justice for the unborn and violate the rights of foriengers or prisoners. We can’t ask for equal rights for babies in the womb if we don’t recognize equal rights of those who come to this country to make a better life for themselves. We can’t ask that violence to unborn babies stop and then use violence to settle conflicts with other nations. We can’t offer the hope of Jesus Christ to a scared young woman walking into an abortion clinic if we aren’t willing to offer her our home. We can’t scream in outrage when a woman’s feeding tube is removed in Florida and meanwhile people are starving to death in our streets.
If our government is still a government that is working ‘for the people’ then it is barely working.
 
Thanks Pete99, this is basically how I feel. We elect these people and then they do nothing, NOTHING TO STOP ABORTION, NOTHING TO SHOW THEY REALLY CARE FOR THE POOR (and we are supposed to), not a whole lot to show that they feel for others. I know “feel” may be a democrat catch word, but we are supposed to care for everyone, not that I think the democrats are all that they are cracked up to be. It really leaves people with nowhere to turn. If only politicians could be anti-abortion and care for others, even if they don’t earn their place in our society. We are still supposed to care for them, I truly believe that Jesus would want us to. POLITICIANS WAKE UP!
 
All Presidents have veto power…and can use it when they feel something is truly wrong.

We have to pray and work for those leaders who are not afraid to go against the media…who are the real spin doctors and weave social inclinations in my opinion.

I truly believe that the media have agendas that exclude morality and absolute truth. But that’s another issue for another thread, I suppose.

Begin all things with prayer…and I think I will put some effort in electing Sen. Brownback
 
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