How to vote when there is no pro-life choice?

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Most of us don’t actually have the right to vote either way because of depraved practices that reduce votes into confetti. But, the party platform itself still matters because politicians that don’t follow the platform suffer censure within the party.

As far as not having any pro-life candidates available: the priest was giving his opinion and nothing more than that (spare me the appeal to authority fallacy). Catholics in countries without total pro-life candidates are still allowed to participate in voting.
 
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LoveMercyGrace said:
A priest today commented on voting choices. He said it is a sin to vote for anyone that supports abortion.
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I have heard over 100 priests speak their homilies and I have never heard another priest say that. I think this priest cited here is giving his own opinion and not citing binding doctrine.
 
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LoveMercyGrace said:
A priest today commented on voting choices. He said it is a sin to vote for anyone that supports abortion. I believe him. He said it falls under commandment Thou Shall Not Kill, that we are guilty of this also as tho we did it our self.
If I did not have a pro life candidate to vote for, I would leave it blank.
The evil one likes to confuse and to obscure things so we can not see what God is willing for us to do.
I personally would not compromise on this at all.
peace and prayers!
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You might be taking him out of context.

Every faithful priest that I have ever heard, who says you can’t vote for a pro-choice person because it’s a grave matter (and they are right), typically follows up with the exception when both candidates are pro choice.

In that instance, every pro life activists (priest or lay) I’ve heard will say to vote for the one who will do the least harm.

Not voting is only acceptable according to some in the field of Catholic Social Teaching when the “lesser evil” candidate is a sure win. If the “more evil” candidate is leading in the polls, then it is imperative to vote against them and not to abstain.

God Bless
 
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RuthAnne said:
As far as not voting goes, those who don’t vote, in my opinion, have a morally stronger position to voice their complaints than those who do vote. If you vote, you are participating in a corrupt game where you choose between the evils. And your participation is tacit acceptance and approval of the winner, because those were the rules of the game that you agreed to play. So you really have no moral “right” to complain. On the other hand, if you refuse to choose between the evils, you should and do have the “right” to complain, because you never agreed with the game to begin with. You never agreed to accept the outcome.
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I see not voting as accepting whatever the result is.
 
Emeraldlady said:
The US even now have a party, The American Solidarity Party, that is completely on board with every point of Catholic social teaching. It’s quite amazing to have such a party. If all the Christians in the US voted for them somehow even by write-ins, the swamp would be drained and a new day would come.
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From your lips/keyboard to God’s ears! I’ve been saying this for the past 4 years!
 
Holy Scripture says Thou Shall Not Kill.

simple.

not out of context.

peace
 
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phil19034 said:
Yes. I agree 100%. I would never vote for a pro-choice person when I have a Pro-Life one to vote for.
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Would you vote for a pro-choice person if there were no pro-life opponents?
 
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Emeraldlady said:
The US even now have a party, The American Solidarity Party, that is completely on board with every point of Catholic social teaching. It’s quite amazing to have such a party. If all the Christians in the US voted for them somehow even by write-ins, the swamp would be drained and a new day would come.
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They are better than the two major parties, but I still choose libertarianism over any of them . . . if I vote at all.
 
RuthAnne said:
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phil19034:
Yes. I agree 100%. I would never vote for a pro-choice person when I have a Pro-Life one to vote for.
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Would you vote for a pro-choice person if there were no pro-life opponents?
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Yes, I would vote for the person would create the least evil in the world. NOW - if I thought they were both equally evil, then I would not vote. I will not let a vote go to waist and I will not allow my none-vote become an advantage for the more evil person.

However, in the case of this example: I would vote for the pro-choice Republican because the I know there would be pressure from Republicans for this person to vote for abortion restrictions, etc. I would also lobby that person that I voted for to do the right thing.
 
Further thought…

If we support in some way a persons choice to abortion is this not having blood on our hands too?
If we support a politican who is unable to state a clear choice for what they stand for, are we helping really?
Why would a politician stand on the fence, being neither here nor there, and should I support them to be indecisive?
Of all states, can you imagine? in CA I have choices to vote for who
does not support any abortion. Go Figure 🙂
 
So if it was between Evil One or Evil Two, you would choose to support evil?
 
LoveMercyGrace said:
If we support in some way a persons choice to abortion is this not having blood on our hands too?
If we support a politican who is unable to state a clear choice for what they stand for, are we helping really?
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I never said anything about “supporting” them. I would not “support” them. “Supporting” them would be a sin. I would only vote for the lesser of two evils. The Church has said that in this instance, we are not guilty when we are voting for the lesser of two evils.
LoveMercyGrace said:
Why would a politician stand on the fence, being neither here nor there, and should I support them to be indecisive?
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Again - not supporting them. I would not campaign for them, I would not wear a sicker for them, etc. I would only campaign against the more evil person. Big difference.
LoveMercyGrace said:
Of all states, can you imagine? in CA I have choices to vote for who
does not support any abortion.
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As a political scientist (was my major in college), I have a very hard time voting for a non-viable Third Party candidate, esp in a swing state like mine. Now, that doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t want to help a third party (like the American Solidarity Party) become viable, but as long as it isn’t, I’m not going to waste my vote.
 
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RuthAnne said:
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phil19034:
Support evil, no. Oppose the most evil, yes.
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So that means NO to choosing between two evils. And why would you not oppose all evil? Not just the worst evil?
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I oppose all evil.

But the Church does NOT teach us that we need to stick our heads in the sand when we have corrupt leaders.

Let’s say we have the following two:
Candidate A:
  • wants to allow abortion up-to birth
  • wants to fund Planned Parenthood
  • wants to pass a Constitutional Amendment to protect abortion
  • wants to force all employers to offer abortion
  • wants to force all Catholic hospitals to fund & perform abortions
  • wants to use US dollars to fund abortions overseas
  • opposes any limits on abortion, even standards for abortion clinics
  • wants to make euthanasia legal in all 50 states.
Candidate B
  • wants abortion to be “safe, legal & rare”
  • wants to limit abortion to first trimester unless risk of life to mother (even though we know the later part really doesn’t need an abortion)
  • open to education programs, crisis pregnancy centers, and adoption programs to reduce abortion
  • is OK with abortion for rape (again, we know this is bad)
  • is NOT ok with abortion as simply birth control back up.
  • beliefs euthanasia is 100% immoral
Which one sounds like they would do more damage?

If your vote for candidate B means B wins vs your abstaining means that candidate A wins; which would you rather have?

Because in this scenario, by not voting the worse candidate wins.

If your vote or non-vote was the difference between candidate A winning or losing, would you still feel the same way?
 
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on the USCCB website there is a long detailed article/statement by the Bishops , Forming Consciences For Faithful. A long article, worthy of a read I think. Peace
 
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