How would a country completely based on the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ would be?

[niceatheist]

In other words, there is an aspect of shame to a woman not wanting to be a housewife. Such a state would ignore the gifts of half its population in the name of a uterus.

 

[imo]

No shame, but extra praise for housewives. For example, I am a husband and I try to follow my vocation in the best way possible, but I consider being a priest a higher calling. It was not for me, though. I have no problem or shame recognizing this and living my (in my own opinion) lesser call in the fullest very happily.

 

[whatistrue]

a vigorous free press that reflects all viewpoints, can be and often is a great force for good. I would like to think that these things, in a Catholic social order, would quickly bring any potential fascistic abuses to light.

I am an absolute lover of the free press. The problem as I see it is that it is ever so easy to ever so slowly shut down dissent with “God wills it” and similar pronouncements until eventually the only press is a ventriloquist’s dummy for whoever is in power, and social media as we now know it may or may not survive the rise of a regime determined to silence dissent and with the reach to do it.

Edit to add: I wouldn’t trust me with that kind of power.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

there is an aspect of shame to a woman not wanting to be a housewife. Such a state would ignore the gifts of half its population in the name of a uterus.

That’s quite a leap in logic. I don’t see how anything he said to relates to this.

 

[niceatheist]

What you’re really talking about is stigmatizing women who do not fit your view of the proper role for women. It’s a rather old trick “oh sure, you might cure cancer, but wouldn’t it better to be a mother? It’s what God wants.”

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

You’re making a lot of assumptions here to make these wild claims.

 

[imo]

If a woman (or anyone) cures cancer, she should gain a Nobel Prize and be praised in the history books!

 

[HarryStotle]

If an ideal Catholic state forces education based on gender and not on gifts and aspirations, then it has crossed the line into tyranny.

And what if a secular state forces education based on gender and not gifts and aspirations, then has it crossed the line into tyranny?

By that I mean a state that forces education based upon an ideology that gender is fluid, or that anyone questioning that ideology ought to be silenced, despite all scientific data questioning that PC ideology.

 

[HarryStotle]

No one told my daughter she should go into some glorified home ec course. What you are saying is that her pursuit of a university degree in biological sciences is wrong because she had a uterus. I find that, frankly, tyrannical, and stupid and shortsighted

Frankly this is ridiculous. I, a male, took Home Economics classes at a Catholic high school in grade 10 back in the 1960s. Girls were quite free to take shop if they so chose. This in a province in Canada which is considered very right wing according to the current crop of political analysts.

Recent studies in Scandinavian countries are showing that the freer men and women are from stereotypical gender norms the more their choices will break down along gender lines. Males choosing more STEM related interests and careers, while women choose more people-oriented interests and careers.

You can legislate all you want to force men and women to be the same, but if you are going to force that homogeneity by law you are doing so by tyranny.

This is a fabricated issue.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

a vigorous free press that reflects all viewpoints, can be and often is a great force for good. I would like to think that these things, in a Catholic social order, would quickly bring any potential fascistic abuses to light.

So am I. As annoying and irritating as are The Washington Post’s daily rantings against Trump, I would not want the press to be a mere mouthpiece for the regime in power. Let all sides have their say, and let the readers decide. Fox News has its annoying moments as well.

A Catholic social order would have to permit a wide diversity of opinion in the press, otherwise newspapers and television would simply be diocesan house organs that would never report corruption, alternate points of view, and scandals.

Even the king in Charles Coulombe’s fantasy dream-come-true scenario in Star-Spangled Crown allows Americans to keep the Bill of Rights intact (freedom of speech, the press, and so on).

 

[Elf01]

And also: taking care of your home and family is not degrading, it is the most honourable and wonderful vocation possible, except maybe for a nun’s life.

Great. Maybe more men should have this wonderful vocation.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

And also: taking care of your home and family is not degrading, it is the most honourable and wonderful vocation possible, except maybe for a nun’s life.

I am one of those men — stay-at-home homeschooling father, retired after 30+ years in the business world. It’s a very good life. My son is at an age (7th grade) where all boys need their fathers to be as “hands-on” as possible — I am able to keep him away from drugs, pornography, bullying, peer pressure, and so on. (At the public middle school where he would go if he weren’t homeschooled, it is a well-known fact that some of the pupils smoke marijuana in the restrooms.) My father’s father died when he was 9 years old, and we didn’t have much money growing up, my father always had to do shift work and second jobs to support the family.

Life is good.

 

[HarryStotle]

Or maybe for some women curing cancer is more rewarding. To ignore someone’s actual gifts in favor of some perverse idealization based upon gender stereotypes is a state that abhors and fears creativity and human spirit.

You may want to do some research into members of the Catholic Church in terms of scientific pursuits:

List of lay Catholic scientists - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Check out some of the dates…

Laura Bassi (1711–1778) – physicist at the University of Bologna and Chair in experimental physics at the Bologna Institute of Sciences, the first woman to be offered a professorship at a European university

Marcella Boveri (1863–1950) – biologist and first woman to graduate from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Mary Celine Fasenmyer (1906–1996) – religious sister and mathematician, founder of Sister Celine’s polynomials

Paula González (1932–) – religious sister and professor of biology

Mary Kenneth Keller (c.1914–1985) – Sister of Charity and first American woman to earn a PhD in computer science, helped develop BASIC

Annie Chambers Ketchum (1824–1904) – convert to Catholicism and botanist who published Botany for academies and colleges: consisting of plant development and structure from seaweed to clematis

Stephanie Kwolek (1923–2014) – chemist who developed Kevlar at DuPont in 1965

Anna Morandi Manzolini (1714–1774) – anatomist and anatomical wax artist who lectured at the University of Bologna

Karin Öberg (1982–) – her Öberg Astrochemistry Group discovered the first complex organic molecule in a protoplanetary disk; serves on the board of the Society of Catholic Scientists[43]

Trotula of Salerno the 11th-century physician

Continued…

 

[HarryStotle]

Dorotea Bucca who held a chair of medicine and philosophy at the University of Bologna from 1390

Elena Piscopia who, in 1678, became the first woman to receive a Doctorate of Philosophy,

Maria Agnesi, who was appointed around 1750 by Pope Benedict XIV as the first woman professor of mathematics.

Edith Stein was a German Jewish philosopher who converted to Catholicism and became a Discalced Carmelite nun.

Hildegard of Bingen, was a German Benedictine abbess, writer, composer, philosopher, Christian mystic, visionary, and polymath

Gertrude Elizabeth Margaret Anscombe, was a British analytic philosopher. She wrote on the philosophy of mind , philosophy of action, philosophical logic, philosophy of language, and ethics. She was a prominent figure of analytical Thomism.

Saint Catherine of Alexandria , or Saint Katharine of Alexandria, is, according to tradition, a Christian saint and virgin, who was martyred in the early 4th century at the hands of the pagan emperor Maxentius. According to her hagiography, she was both a princess and a noted scholar, who became a Christian around the age of 14, converted hundreds of people to Christianity, and was martyred around the age of 18. More than 1,100 years after Catherine’s martyrdom, Joan of Arc identified her as one of the saints who appeared to and counselled her.

 

[niceatheist]

But if the educational system makes her believe that her better place is in the home, rather than in medical research, how will she?

 

[imo]

Well, this is designed so the majority of women chooses home. Those who feel a strong vocation to other things…spread your wings!

 

[niceatheist]

In other words, in this ideal state, women entering STEM fields would be discouraged.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

The only discouragement would be coming from herself, because I don’t see any active discouragement coming from anyone else.

 

[niceatheist]

So how would a career for women be framed in this Catholic state?

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

The same way careers normally are.