How would we enforce new abortion laws?

[NM505StKate]

Not “host mother,” just “mother.” Why is being able to live independently of someone else your criteria for whether someone deserves to live or die? Even infants need their mothers.

I used host mother as it was the only word(s) that came to mind. It was a criteria in RvW that gave states authority on when abortion is okay. It is from law not science. Personal opinion is babies are like parasites. They take nutrients and radically change the body of the one who is carrying it. Personally I would not wish it on anyone and I can understand why things like child free is appealing to people. That being said those that have kids more power to them.

 

[NM505StKate]

It’s only irrational because it doesn’t back up your opinion.

My response was to a line of logic that it’s ok to abort in the first trimester because the baby can’t live on its own. Faulty logic.

So, my location determines whether I get to live or die? Am I my own person if I can’t speak for myself? Why is “being born” a distinction? What about children who are “born” by C-Section?

No, Hope has the point.

 

[WingsOfEagles]

No, Hope has the point.

Again, your opinion because you are pro-abortion.

 

[NM505StKate]

What if a parent does not want to get medical help for their child with a defect? Is that their choice too or are they being negligent?

In that case it is negligence but it is different than when the person is pregnant. Oh yeah as a side is it sinful when a parent doesn’t get help for their child when it is sick but choose to pray away the sickness?

 

[NM505StKate]

Again, your opinion because you are pro-abortion.

I am indeed pro choice.

 

[TheTrinitySaves]

I see this comparison being made all the time and it’s a purely irrational argument attempting to appeal to emotions.

All the people you mentioned are not located within the body of a woman, an important distinction. They need help to live, but they are very obviously their own person because they have been born, they are not in a womb.

So its ok to kill a child a moment before their born.?

 

[PRmerger]

If within the first trimester it is a handful of cells incapable of living apart from the host mother. Second trimester it is more capable of living apart but still needs the host mother. Third trimester the host mother is needed but to a much lesser extent and the feotus now baby is capable to living apart.

Even born babies are incapable of living apart from their mothers.

And why should that be an qualifier for how worthy someone is for living?

When your parents become incapable of living without your assistance, should they be put to death?

 

[WingsOfEagles]

In that case it is negligence but it is different than when the person is pregnant.** Oh yeah as a side is it sinful when a parent doesn’t get help for their child when it is sick but choose to pray away the sickness?**

Yes, I believe God sends us helpu through modern medicine, which is totally in line with Catholic teaching.

 

[Hope_Philomena]

It’s only irrational because it doesn’t back up your opinion.

My response was to a line of logic that it’s ok to abort in the first trimester because the baby can’t live on its own. Faulty logic.

So, my location determines whether I get to live or die? Am I my own person if I can’t speak for myself? Why is “being born” a distinction? What about children who are “born” by C-Section?

It’s actually irrational because you’re citing unrelated analogies. ex. “Oranges are fruits, apples are fruits, so all apples must be oranges.”

Being born is a distinction because the law has decided that it is. Also taken into account under the law is the development stage of the baby in the mother.

Children born by c-section are still born, I don’t see your point.

 

[NM505StKate]

Even born babies are incapable of living apart from their mothers.

And why should that be an qualifier for how worthy someone is for living?

When your parents become incapable of living without your assistance, should they be put to death?

But a baby can breath and isn’t attached to a mother physically after birth. Difference there.

 

[NM505StKate]

Yes, I believe God sends us helpu through modern medicine, which is totally in line with Catholic teaching.

That isn’t what I am talking about. I am talking about parents who do nothing other than pray. Just on their knees day and night as the child lies sick in bed,

 

[PRmerger]

It’s actually irrational because you’re citing unrelated analogies. ex. “Oranges are fruits, apples are fruits, so all apples must be oranges.”

Being born is a distinction because the law has decided that it is. Also taken into account under the law is the development stage of the baby in the mother.

Children born by c-section are still born, I don’t see your point.

The law needs to be changed.

If we used the above paradigm, blacks would still be forced to sit at the back of the bus because “the law has decided” that’s where they belong.

 

[NM505StKate]

It’s actually irrational because you’re citing unrelated analogies. ex. “Oranges are fruits, apples are fruits, so all apples must be oranges.”

Being born is a distinction because the law has decided that it is. Also taken into account under the law is the development stage of the baby in the mother.

Children born by c-section are still born, I don’t see your point.

 

[NM505StKate]

The law needs to be changed.

If we used the above paradigm, blacks would still be forced to sit at the back of the bus because “the law has decided” that’s where they belong.

It was a ruling. It isn’t against the law to have an abortion. It is legal in other words. Bodily autonomy is under the 14th amendment.

 

[PRmerger]

But a baby can breath and isn’t attached to a mother physically after birth. Difference there.

So it’s moral to kill someone who’s on a ventilator? He can’t breathe either.

Why is “being able to breathe” = distinction for what’s a human person
any more arbitrary than saying “being blonde and male” = distinction for what’s a human person.

 

[nodito]

Being born is a distinction because the law has decided that it is.

I don’t think anyone disputes that our current laws recognize individuals as having rights once they’re born (though our former president didn’t support laws aimed at protecting those who survived abortion). The question remains whether this is just. Birth is a rather arbitrary line in the sand, if you ask me.

 

[PRmerger]

It was a ruling. It isn’t against the law to have an abortion. It is legal in other words. Bodily autonomy is under the 14th amendment.

All of the above is a nonsequitur.

Men (white men, that is) up until the 1960’s were permitted to legally beat their wives (provided they didn’t leave a visible bruise) under the same paradigm of autonomy.

“No one can tell me, a white man, what I can do in the privacy of my own home!”.

 

[PRmerger]

“No one can tell me, a white man, what I can do in the privacy of my own home!”.

And this is eerily echoed today: “No one can tell me what I can do in the privacy of my own body!”

But, just like we told those white men: nuh-uh. You don’t get to do whatever you want in your own home, if it involves harming another human person…

we also tell these “my body, my choice” women: nuh-uh. You don’t get to do whatever you want with your own body, if in involves harming another human person…

 

[NM505StKate]

So it’s moral to kill someone who’s on a ventilator? He can’t breathe either.

Why is “being able to breathe” = distinction for what’s a human person
any more arbitrary than saying “being blonde and male” = distinction for what’s a human person.

I am not a lawyer nor do I know why it was determined in that way.

 

[NM505StKate]

And this is eerily echoed today: “No one can tell me what I can do in the privacy of my own body!”

But, just like we told those white men: nuh-uh. You don’t get to do whatever you want in your own home, if it involves harming another human person…

we also tell these “my body, my choice” women: nuh-uh. You don’t get to do whatever you want with your own body, if in involves harming another human person…

Actually no you don’t get to tell a woman anything about her body. The difference is, by the ruling, a zygote isn’t a person whereas an adult is.