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1ke
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Why do you think abortion is wrong?
How would you defend Life in light of the following situation?
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Rob_s_Wife
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Mom_of_one
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My understanding is that this is not a hypothetical situation. So, in light of that, pray, pray, pray. Often we are given the right words at the right time if we do pray. God knows what this woman and the foster children need to hear. Maybe you are not supposed to say anything, but if you are, let the Holy Spirit guide you. Let these kids know that God loves them. Let them know that their mother loved life so much that she died to give her child a chance at life and would have done the same thing for any one of them!!! And just on a personal note, I wish I could give them all a big hug.
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Bruised_Reed
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The mother of a friend of mine had an abortion because her life was allegedly in danger (I say allegedly because she had another child after that) butI don’t know how exactly. In this case dad was seriously abusive to mom and kids. My friend defends her mom’s abortion because that would have left the kids alone with their dad.
Do we have some obligation to help out here? The question of who will care for the children is critical. Ideally, family and friends would swoop in and take care of things but dysfunctional families have difficulty handling ordinarly life let alone a crisis. If social services had not intervened would dad have allowed near strangers help him with his children? Would you?
I don’t think that just saying this is a moral absolute is enough. What action we follow that with is the real witness.
Do we have some obligation to help out here? The question of who will care for the children is critical. Ideally, family and friends would swoop in and take care of things but dysfunctional families have difficulty handling ordinarly life let alone a crisis. If social services had not intervened would dad have allowed near strangers help him with his children? Would you?
I don’t think that just saying this is a moral absolute is enough. What action we follow that with is the real witness.
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vern_humphrey
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Of course we should take care of the children – if you can’t find loving parents for them, I can.
My oldest daughter had to have surgery for endiometosis so she could get pregnant – she went through hell to conceive our first grandchild.
My wife is a nurse, and was Director of Nursing at Searcy (Arkansas) County Nursing and Rehabilitation Center. After she left that job, one of the nurses there – whom I also knew – had a problem. Her 14-year old daughter was pregnant. The mother brought home an IV kit from the nursing home and induced labor. The baby was born alive, and she buried it alive in the back yard.
When we heard about this crime, my wife kept saying over and over, “Why couldn’t she have given the baby to us? Helen would love it like it was her own.”
My oldest daughter had to have surgery for endiometosis so she could get pregnant – she went through hell to conceive our first grandchild.
My wife is a nurse, and was Director of Nursing at Searcy (Arkansas) County Nursing and Rehabilitation Center. After she left that job, one of the nurses there – whom I also knew – had a problem. Her 14-year old daughter was pregnant. The mother brought home an IV kit from the nursing home and induced labor. The baby was born alive, and she buried it alive in the back yard.
When we heard about this crime, my wife kept saying over and over, “Why couldn’t she have given the baby to us? Helen would love it like it was her own.”
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Rob_s_Wife
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Oh, I heartily agree that we must do more than say life is the right choice - we must show it! The care of the children is critical and it is unfortunately true that families are not as reliable as they used to be. However, I would like to point out that social services/ foster families are often worse than near strangers - and near strangers are often not permitted by social services to help. There are not anywhere near enough good foster famlies available and the system isn’t geared to making life better for these kids - most of the time they spend their entire childhood in a state of “limbo” with no real homebase.:nope:
What needs to happen is for people to be willing to face these situations with compassion and honesty. Priest, nuns, lay persons that are willing to knock on the door and say “You’ve hit bottom brother - let us help you up.” and then do it. It sounds so easy, but is so very hard in a world that would rather let the state deal with it.
By the way, I would be glad to adopt this group of children. Already have 7 anyhow, what’s another 6?
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Bruised_Reed
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Rob's Wife:
We need more people like you.By the way, I would be glad to adopt this group of children. Already have 7 anyhow, what’s another 6?
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Brendan
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The best way to defend it would be to say
" Let’s assue that we could bring it all back, the mother, all the kids together. All it would require is that someone murder the new baby"
“Would it be worth the death of the new baby to bring it all back? Would you kill the baby yourself to bring this family back together; if not, why not?”
" Let’s assue that we could bring it all back, the mother, all the kids together. All it would require is that someone murder the new baby"
“Would it be worth the death of the new baby to bring it all back? Would you kill the baby yourself to bring this family back together; if not, why not?”
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fix
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Actually it does seem you reject the faith. You have rejected the authority of the Church, which Christ speaks through infalliblly, and made yourself the final authority. That would seem to be a Protestant position.Born, raised and practicing. Just because I have my own opinions and moral code does not make me a Protestant…
So, you reject the teachings of the Church. Why call yourself catholic?
Perhaps you are not familiar with the meaning of the word devout?
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vern_humphrey
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Look at what Marilee27 says:
“If I had children, healthy, living children and found myself in a situation where my pregnancy had a greater chance of causing my death than not, then I would have to go with the abortion.”
“IF” she had children, and “IF” she were preganant, and “IF” there was a better than 50-50 chance she would die . . ."
Three “IFs.” A hypothetical situation – she apparently DOESN’T have children, apparently ISN’T pregnant, and obvously HASN’T such a prognosis.
She has sold her immortal soul in the here-and-now for three “IFs.”
The devil has got a cheap bargain.
“If I had children, healthy, living children and found myself in a situation where my pregnancy had a greater chance of causing my death than not, then I would have to go with the abortion.”
“IF” she had children, and “IF” she were preganant, and “IF” there was a better than 50-50 chance she would die . . ."
Three “IFs.” A hypothetical situation – she apparently DOESN’T have children, apparently ISN’T pregnant, and obvously HASN’T such a prognosis.
She has sold her immortal soul in the here-and-now for three “IFs.”
The devil has got a cheap bargain.
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fix
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vern humphrey:
True. Hard to tell if she is just stirring up stuff or authentically morally “challenged”?
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vern_humphrey
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The answer is “both.” Clearly, she’s stirring up stuff, and clearly she’s morally challenged.
She SAYS she’s a “practicing Catholic” – which may or may not be true. If false, she has lied to us.
If true, she obviously rejects Church teaching to the point of mortal sin.
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vern humphrey:
No argument from me.
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John_of_Woking
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How will God tell you?
He has left his Spirit in the Mystical Body of Christ (The Church)
The Church does advise us to worship Him in Church at least once weekly where we can humbly feed from His Eucharistic presence. God Bless, John
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vern_humphrey
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John of Woking:
“Come on, Parson! The water’s risin’”
“No. I trust in the Lord!”
The water rose, and Parson Jones climbed up on the roof. Another Jon boat came by.
“Come on, Parson! The water’s risin’”
“No. I trust in the Lord!”
The water rose, and Parson Jones climbed up on the steeple. A helicopter came by.
“Come on, Parson! The water’s risin’”
“No. I trust in the Lord!”
The water rose, and Parson Jones drowned. In heaven, he said to the Lord, “Why did you abandon me? I had such faith in you.”
The Lord thumped him upside the head and said, "Idiot! I sent you two boats and a helicopter!"http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
The Lord has spoken, but she don’t listen.
She reminds me of Parson Jones during the big flood. The water ws over the steps and almost coming in the church when a couple of boys came by in a Jon boat.
“Come on, Parson! The water’s risin’”
“No. I trust in the Lord!”
The water rose, and Parson Jones climbed up on the roof. Another Jon boat came by.
“Come on, Parson! The water’s risin’”
“No. I trust in the Lord!”
The water rose, and Parson Jones climbed up on the steeple. A helicopter came by.
“Come on, Parson! The water’s risin’”
“No. I trust in the Lord!”
The water rose, and Parson Jones drowned. In heaven, he said to the Lord, “Why did you abandon me? I had such faith in you.”
The Lord thumped him upside the head and said, "Idiot! I sent you two boats and a helicopter!"http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
The Lord has spoken, but she don’t listen.
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kmktexas
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No, but living by your “own moral code” means that you aren’t really a pracicing Catholic either. Own opinions are fine but our “moral code” is based on our faith. That’s what having a properly formed conscience is all about.
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