How Would You Improve The Mass?

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It is good to hear that your Traditional Mass experience has been such a good one. Is the TLM really close to where you live?
 
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Katholikos:
I gave up on the NOM and have returned to the Tridentine Latin Mass, which has been offered in this diocese only since the first Sunday of June.

No lectors
No altar girls
No “masters of ceremonies” in albs and EMs swarming all over the altar acting like priests, telling priests what to do, putting their grubby hands into the Tabernacle, pouring the Precious Blood, breaking the host(s) for distribution, etc.
No female EMs distributing Holy Communion in short shorts
No music, cantor, choir, or orchestra rehearsals immediately before Mass when silence is called for
No musical performances to distract the congregation’s focus from the altar
The organ has been moved to the choir loft where it belongs instead of at the side of the altar where it is a distraction. (Both piano and organ were at the front of the church near the altar – now the organ has moved and the paino, bongo drums !], and other instruments are left.
No congregations rehearsing insipid songs just prior to Holy Mass
No handholding.
No artificial fellowship (Please stand and say hello to your neighbor).
No more gum-chewing, Coke-sipping communicants
No more chit-chatting before, during, and after the Mass
No more “I’ll do it my way, which is any old way” celebrants

And – no more letters of complaint from me to the priests and bishop (which were ignored until we got a new bishop)

The Tridentine Latin Mass is purrrrrrrrrrfect. Profound reverence. Beautiful silence. Communion on the tongue, on my knees. The Sacrifice to the Transcendent God is clearly revealed through the Sacred Liturgy. The NOM obscures it because of all the abuses.
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This is at least the second time you’ve posted this list. And I will point out - again - that while you’re free to enjoy the TLM to your heart’s content (purrrfect is a bit over the top IMO), implying that all parishes and all NO masses have the problems you’ve listed above is unfair and misleading. We have lectors in our parish which is completely permissible, but none of the other issues. Communicants sipping Coke? Admit it, you made that one up.
 
Eliminate the New Mass and to only have the Traditional Latin Mass or variations of it[Ambrosian,Braga]. Excommunicate priests and laity who reject the Truth and Church’s Magisterium.
 
Definitely, the answer should be “all of the above.” In the LA archdiocese, Cardinal Mahony has eliminated hand-holding during the Our Father. As far as the other considerations listed, it’s hit or miss, depending on which Mass one attends or which priest is the celebrant. Our parish is pretty lucky in the music department, except for the Life Teen and Spanish Masses. I do find it annoying to have the sign of peace between the Consecration and Holy Communion. It would be better placed at the introductory rite.
 
The only diocese with permanent deacons,eucharistic ministers, and handkomunia[hand communion] is Warsaw. Th altar rail is a normal site in Poland, even in new some new churches. Well the Warsaw diocese is supposedly the test diocese for Poland. Lord please prevent this… WhiteDove, Warsaw is not Poland. Actually Poles from outside Warsaw are united in their hatred[well dislike] of Warsaw.
 
LIke dioceses in the US, I am sure Warsaw has some parishes that are mroe traditional and some that are more progressive. I am just curious, Warsaw has a new Archbishop, any info on what he is going to be like? I hope these “innovations” do not spread to the rest of Poland. Someone told me where they went to in Poland, altar rails are still largely used for communion.
 
Melman,
This is at least the second time you’ve posted this list. And I will point out - again - that while you’re free to enjoy the TLM to your heart’s content (purrrfect is a bit over the top IMO), implying that all parishes and all NO masses have the problems you’ve listed above is unfair and misleading.
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I agree there are a few parishes which do not have these problems. I think EWTN is one of those Churches. I can’t recall any others off the top of my head. I am sure there are some others.

God Bless!
 
I don’t believe returning to the latin mass will make anybody more holy. You can’t legislate holiness. I believe that if the latin mass were the norm, you would still have abuses. It’s the age we live in. People aren’t very good at listening to anybody with authority. It starts at the bishops and trickles on down. The english mass is beautiful when the rubrics are followed, as it is in our parish. God bless!
 
I can think of several Masses that are as good as EWTN and are N.O. but I admit they may not be the majority.

Try St. Agnes in Minneapolis St. Paul, try Holy Ghost in Denver for really good N.O. Masses, but I , like you. have not attended every Mass in the U.S. so it would be extreme for you to say they are ALL bad.
 
I’d like to see the NO Mass include the old Confiteor and absolution, and also the Last Gospel. The Last Gospel, I believe, is the perfect send-off because it tells the Faithful what they’re supposed to be doing in the world, what they’re supposed to be focused on.
 
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Charlemagne:
I’d like to see the NO Mass include the old Confiteor and absolution, and also the Last Gospel. The Last Gospel, I believe, is the perfect send-off because it tells the Faithful what they’re supposed to be doing in the world, what they’re supposed to be focused on.
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:confused: I’m sorry could someone please tell me what the Last Gospel is?
 
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Katholikos:
I gave up on the NOM and have returned to the Tridentine Latin Mass, which has been offered in this diocese only since the first Sunday of June.

No lectors
No altar girls
No “masters of ceremonies” in albs and EMs swarming all over the altar acting like priests, telling priests what to do, putting their grubby hands into the Tabernacle, pouring the Precious Blood, breaking the host(s) for distribution, etc.
No female EMs distributing Holy Communion in short shorts
No music, cantor, choir, or orchestra rehearsals immediately before Mass when silence is called for
No musical performances to distract the congregation’s focus from the altar
The organ has been moved to the choir loft where it belongs instead of at the side of the altar where it is a distraction. (Both piano and organ were at the front of the church near the altar – now the organ has moved and the paino, bongo drums !], and other instruments are left.
No congregations rehearsing insipid songs just prior to Holy Mass
No handholding.
No artificial fellowship (Please stand and say hello to your neighbor).
No more gum-chewing, Coke-sipping communicants
No more chit-chatting before, during, and after the Mass
No more “I’ll do it my way, which is any old way” celebrants

And – no more letters of complaint from me to the priests and bishop (which were ignored until we got a new bishop)

The Tridentine Latin Mass is purrrrrrrrrrfect. Profound reverence. Beautiful silence. Communion on the tongue, on my knees. The Sacrifice to the Transcendent God is clearly revealed through the Sacred Liturgy. The NOM obscures it because of all the abuses.

I LOVE THIS CHURCH !!!

JMJ Jay
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To each his own Kath 🙂 I’ll stick with the Ordo Missae of the Church. I remember going to Tridentine Masses and I am glad its changed.
If you have a faithful priest, any Mass is a good Mass.
We miss you. 🙂
cmom
 
CMOM, you got it right! I am so tired of the use of the term Novus Ordo.

I, too, spent plenty of time in Tridentine Masses. And I pray we won’t go back.

Following the GIRM is just fine, thank you. And I love the new music we have, which so often comes from the Psalms, Old Testament and New Testament.

Communion under both Species is one of the greates gifts sacramentally that we have received. And I so appreciate that baptisms have been made part of the community by including them in the Mass.

And no, I’m not a liberal. Just true to the Magesterium.
 
DAWNCUROLE said:
:confused: I’m sorry could someone please tell me what the Last Gospel is?
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The last Gospel is the beginning of the Gospel of John which is said after the final blessing.

P: The Lord be with you.
R: And with thy spirit.
P: The beginning of the holy Gospel, according to St. John.
R: Glory be to Thee, O Lord.
P: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was made nothing that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men: and the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. This man came for a witness to give testimony of the light, that all men might believe through him. He was not the light, but was to give testimony of the light. That was the true light which enlighteneth every man that cometh into this world. He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. He came unto His own, and His own received Him not. But as many as received Him, to them He gave great power to become the sons of God: to them that believe in His name: who are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

R: Thanks be to God.
 
Dalonia - the Last Gospel is John 1:1 and used to be read following the Blessing at the end of the Mass
 
To improve the Mass, I would suggest going back to basics. Basically looking back…
 
The Magisterium is the Church’s teaching authority. The Magisterium is not a ***person.***The Magisterium is not the Pope.Magisterium is a neuter word in Latin. It is not male or female.Ergo it is not a person
 
Catholic Eagle,

Time to switch to decaf!

If your post is related to otm’s statement of “Just true to the Magesterium”, yes, the statement is technically incorrect. One possible way of restating it would be “Just true to the teachings of the Magesterium”. The meaning was implied and I think most people understood it correctly. You may want to revisit how you stated your post.

Thanks anyway for the correction.
 
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otm:
CMOM, you got it right! I am so tired of the use of the term Novus Ordo.
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But that is the official term which was used in Pope Paul VI’s new Missal. Novus Ordo Missae= New Order of Mass
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otm:
I, too, spent plenty of time in Tridentine Masses. And I pray we won’t go back.
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This doesn’t have a reason. What was so bad about preVatican II days? So you are praying against a Mass to be used in the Church?
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otm:
Following the GIRM is just fine, thank you. And I love the new music we have, which so often comes from the Psalms, Old Testament and New Testament.
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Have you read the whole GIRM? Music is not the emphasis of Mass. The Unbloody Sacrifice of Jesus Christ is the emphasis. Anyways how many new songs in the Mass are directly from the Bible? An old “Ave Maria” will do well. Its Biblical.
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otm:
Communion under both Species is one of the greates gifts sacramentally that we have received. And I so appreciate that baptisms have been made part of the community by including them in the Mass.
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Communion under one species is full. Communion under two species is no different from receiving Communion under one species. They are both equal. How is it a great gift? The sacrament is full under one species you do not need both species to receive the fullness of the sacrament.

Baptism is not about “community”. Baptism’s biggest purpose is not to be an iniatiation to Catholicism. Baptism’s most important purpose is to clean the soul of original sin[and actual sin in adults].
Baltimore Catechism 4 Lesson14 Question 152
What is Baptism?
answer:Baptism is a sacrament that cleanses us of Original Sin, makes us Christians,children of God,and heirs of heaven.
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otm:
And no, I’m not a liberal. Just true to the Magesterium.
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Liberal … well I won’t draw any conclusions. The Magisterium is not one person read my below post.
 
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