How would you refute these claims by abortion supporters?

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While posting a comment on an article about abortion, I saw the following comments - and I am paraphrasing:

a) Religious people (pro-lifers) don’t do anything to help a woman after she has had a baby. All they do is tell people not to have abortions and then they abandon her and the baby.

b) Only Republicans are pro-life.

c) Pro-lifers physically block people from entering Planned Parenthood clinics.

d) The Virgin Mother isn’t holy.

I see claims like these all the time when I go online to defend life, but sometimes I don’t have the time or the wisdom to counter them with the truth of the Church. I would like to defend the Catholic church’s position on these things in a clear, concise manner. Any suggestions are welcome!
 
A. Sure they do, there are support groups. Now it is true that there probably should be more help available. It is also true that the only way to make some people happy would be if a pro-life woman moved in with her and raised the baby for her.
B. Politicians or the public? As far as politicians go there really aren’t any pro-life Democrats, that myth died a couple of years ago.
C. Drive to the nearest PP clinic and snap me a picture then.
D. Balderdash.
 
Really this IS too easy.

There are loads of organizations that do a lot for underprivileged people, including mothers.

Can’t speak to the politics as I’m not American, but I suspect there are pro-life Dems out there somewhere.

As for the Blessed Mother being holy…not entirely sure what this has to do with anything. This is one that must be seen through the eyes of Faith, and I suggest most pro-choicers might have a problem with that.
 
A. nationalreview.com/corner/259065/beware-lazy-slander-kathryn-jean-lopez answers this with specific detail.

B. This wasn’t always the case. Does a child’s life cease to begin at conception because liberal politicians changed their minds? Teddy Kennedy and Jesse Jackson both wrote powerful letters claiming to be pro-life, only to change their positions as it benefited them. Did the underlying scientific and moral realities change?

C. This has happened in exceedingly rare cases. A pro-life activist was assassinated last year because his signs were too graphic. Does that disprove the pro-choice side?

D. That’s craziness – if the person is Christian, try and show them the relevant Scriptures. If not, they’re just trying to get your goat.
 
Part A. Yes, more should be done for already born children; that doesn’t disprove that those not yet born should be allowed to reach that stage.

Part B. The American Democrat party has made abortion part of it’s platform; that doesn’t affect the right or wrong of the issue, per se.

Part C. Yes, that happened in places in the late 1900s. It has not happened in many years. ( I, for one, disagreed with the tactic then as now.)

Part D: Do you know the BVM better than anybody else?

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dotFaith said:
While posting a comment on an article about abortion, I saw the following comments - and I am paraphrasing:
a) Religious people (pro-lifers) don’t do anything to help a woman after she has had a baby. All they do is tell people not to have abortions and then they abandon her and the baby.
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Not to takeover this thread but I have a question equally asked, and one that I constantly hear if the subject of abortion is ever mentioned in anything other than a ‘pro-choice’ manner.

What I’m told is that people are still going to have abortions even if it’s banned and that these women did backalley abortions they would die or have severe health problems from the operation and that it would be those people who are pro-life’s fault because they banned ‘safe’ abortions from occuring. Honestly I’d love to tell them that I don’t care for those women the same way I don’t care if a theif trying to rob a general store got their chest blown in by the cashiers shotgun…but of course that’s not the point, the point is to make pro-life people seem like they choose to let women die for the sake of the fetus.
a) Religious people (pro-lifers) don’t do anything to help a woman after she has had a baby. All they do is tell people not to have abortions and then they abandon her and the baby.
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b) Only Republicans are pro-life.
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c) Pro-lifers physically block people from entering Planned Parenthood clinics.
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d) The Virgin Mother isn’t holy.
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a) That’s the biggest lie I’ve ever heard, at the very least a prolife group will lead them to an adoption agency in their region. I honestly hate those kind of pro-choice people who claim these things when there stance is to just kill the baby in the womb!

b) Generalizing; for the sole purpose of turning the arguement into one of politics and hide the real issue of you know MURDER. In any case no I’m sure if you google searched you’d find pro-life democrats even if they are a rarity. The political stance of Democrats though is one of pro-choice and death.

c) Have them find proof of this, and even if they did it’s nothing compared to what these clinics do to protesters.

d) That has nothing to do with a persons stance on abortion. You can be a pro-life atheist so it honestly doesn’t matter in this situation.
 
Flavius_Aetius said:
Not to takeover this thread but I have a question equally asked, and one that I constantly hear if the subject of abortion is ever mentioned in anything other than a ‘pro-choice’ manner.

What I’m told is that people are still going to have abortions even if it’s banned and that these women did backalley abortions they would die or have severe health problems from the operation and that it would be those people who are pro-life’s fault because they banned ‘safe’ abortions from occuring. Honestly I’d love to tell them that I don’t care for those women the same way I don’t care if a theif trying to rob a general store got their chest blown in by the cashiers shotgun…but of course that’s not the point, the point is to make pro-life people seem like they choose to let women die for the sake of the fetus.
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Who are they to say which life is more valuable? Anyway, it isn’t like thousands of women were dying every year before Roe V Wade.
 
Who are they to say which life is more valuable? Anyway, it isn’t like thousands of women were dying every year before Roe V Wade.
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True, but they will still ask me if I’m fine with those women dying in higher numbers because of an abortion ban. It’s basically just trying to get me to say “Yes I’m fine with those women dying for what they’re doing.” and honestly I don’t feel bad saying that but they feel it’s a moral win on there part because they got me to say I don’t care for these women.
 
Flavius_Aetius said:
True, but they will still ask me if I’m fine with those women dying in higher numbers because of an abortion ban. It’s basically just trying to get me to say “Yes I’m fine with those women dying for what they’re doing.” and honestly I don’t feel bad saying that but they feel it’s a moral win on there part because they got me to say I don’t care for these women.
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Many women had abortions prior to Roe v Wade. They were done in Dr. offices or secular hospitals. They just called them D&C’s.

They stayed a day or 2 and then went on their merry way. Insurance paid. No questions asked. Some had a D&C every couple of years or so.
 
Flavius_Aetius said:
Not to takeover this thread but I have a question equally asked, and one that I constantly hear if the subject of abortion is ever mentioned in anything other than a ‘pro-choice’ manner.

What I’m told is that people are still going to have abortions even if it’s banned and that these women did backalley abortions they would die or have severe health problems from the operation and that it would be those people who are pro-life’s fault because they banned ‘safe’ abortions from occuring. Honestly I’d love to tell them that I don’t care for those women the same way I don’t care if a theif trying to rob a general store got their chest blown in by the cashiers shotgun…but of course that’s not the point, the point is to make pro-life people seem like they choose to let women die for the sake of the fetus.

If one is Pro-Life (I am a pro-life Democrat) then one must consider ALL life as sacred. If all life is sacred, then the woman seeking the abortion’s life is sacred, the man who impregnated her’s life is sacred, the abortionist’s life is sacred, and ALL life is sacred including “heinous criminals” on death row.

We have to have consistency in application of our values and not pick and choose who lives and who dies.
This is why I am a pro-life Democrat. I believe God loves a criminal on death row as much as He loves an unborn child or the woman who doesn’t want the child. If we kill a guilty person, who knows what could have changed that person had they lived to the end of their life?

The case of Timothy McVeigh was the one who changed my thinking on this. He was guilty, but our merciful God has dealt with him. He was absolved by a priest before death, and there were people ranting that he shouldn’t have been allowed to confess to a priest!

We will never know what good Timothy and others, including innocent babies, could have done in this world.

a) That’s the biggest lie I’ve ever heard, at the very least a prolife group will lead them to an adoption agency in their region. I honestly hate those kind of pro-choice people who claim these things when there stance is to just kill the baby in the womb!

b) Generalizing; for the sole purpose of turning the arguement into one of politics and hide the real issue of you know MURDER. In any case no I’m sure if you google searched you’d find pro-life democrats even if they are a rarity. The political stance of Democrats though is one of pro-choice and death.

c) Have them find proof of this, and even if they did it’s nothing compared to what these clinics do to protesters.

d) That has nothing to do with a persons stance on abortion. You can be a pro-life atheist so it honestly doesn’t matter in this situation.
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dotFaith said:
While posting a comment on an article about abortion, I saw the following comments - and I am paraphrasing:

a) Religious people (pro-lifers) don’t do anything to help a woman after she has had a baby. All they do is tell people not to have abortions and then they abandon her and the baby.

b) Only Republicans are pro-life.

c) Pro-lifers physically block people from entering Planned Parenthood clinics.

d) The Virgin Mother isn’t holy.

I see claims like these all the time when I go online to defend life, but sometimes I don’t have the time or the wisdom to counter them with the truth of the Church. I would like to defend the Catholic church’s position on these things in a clear, concise manner. Any suggestions are welcome!
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People have posted good answers already. My 2cents worth:

a/ Obviously they are not trying to help these women at all and they don’t understand their issues. Side walk counselors always provide alternatives and in some households like mine, we have a room open to shelter a single mom and are open to adoption

b/ Abortion transcends political orientations. There are pro-life and pro-abort on both sides. Don’t let them make it a party issue. I am Pro-life to the core but I can’t be affiliated with any political parties. Like Dr. Scott Hahn says: “Politicians are like baby diapers. They have to be changed often, and for the same reason.”

c/ Pro-lifers know the law and comply with it. It is already uncomfortable going there and they are not going to take chances to be arrested

d/ Does the last point have to do with John the Baptist as an embryo leaping with joy in Elizabeth’s womb at Mary’s greeting or the fact that Jesus was not conceived via human relations/ in vitro fertilization?
 
Indyann said:
Many women had abortions prior to Roe v Wade. They were done in Dr. offices or secular hospitals. They just called them D&C’s.

They stayed a day or 2 and then went on their merry way. Insurance paid. No questions asked. Some had a D&C every couple of years or so.
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Can I correct this: they still DO
 
Many women had abortions prior to Roe v Wade. They were done in Dr. offices or secular hospitals. They just called them D&C’s.
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They stayed a day or 2 and then went on their merry way. Insurance paid. No questions asked. Some had a D&C every couple of years or so.
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So there is a loophole that would allow abortions to still go on! What’s the point in even fighting if it’ll always be supported by the public and the medical field! Not only that but I know that if it could ever be banned or at least not Federally supported the Pro-Choice camp will bare there teeth and start making Martyr of these women who die trying to break the law.

God this issue gets me so angry with the world; I honestly wish God just let us go extinct with the flood. 😦
 
I would recommend getting this book:

Pro-Life Answers to Pro-Choice Arguments

All the most common pro-choice arguments you will encounter are filled with logical fallacies. I once took a philosophy course on the morality of abortion taught by a pro-abortion atheist and the first three weeks of class were spent tearing apart all of the most popular pro-choice arguments. They simply don’t hold up to logical scrutiny.

The only way my professor could logically conclude that abortion was morally acceptable was by first “proving” that the soul did not exist (which he did solely by disproving Descartes flawed notion of the soul). 🤷
 
beafedor said:
Can I correct this: they still DO
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Yes, I know, but nobody said abortion, back then.

The back alley stories are for the most part a myth. I am sure it happened, but not as frequently as pro-aborts claim.
 
a) Religious people (pro-lifers) don’t do anything to help a woman after she has had a baby. All they do is tell people not to have abortions and then they abandon her and the baby.
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False. There’s actually a new billboard in my neighborhood with a number to a support group for unplanned pregnancies as an alternative to abortion.
b) Only Republicans are pro-life.
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This is an IQ issue. All redheads have freckles. Bob has freckles. Bob is not necessarily a redhead.

Point being even if you can say ALL Republicans (doubtful) are pro-life you can’t say ONLY Republicans are… I’m a registered Democrat… I’m pro-life.
c) Pro-lifers physically block people from entering Planned Parenthood clinics.
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This I have seen happen so I will not offer a rebuttal to it but simply point out the obvious that the rude actions of a pro-life activist do not make abortion right.
d) The Virgin Mother isn’t holy.
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Arguing this to someone who doesn’t believe is pointless and it’s a redirection from the real topic. It has nothing to do with abortion. It’s a tactic I would imagine they use simply to “throw you off your game” when arguing valid points.
 
Just to clarify…these statements I mentioned didn’t come from a friend, but were comments people made online in an artcle about abortion.

The comment someone made about Mary was in response to my post asking Mary’s intercession to end abortion. Sorry I was not more clear on this. Also, they told me to “Read my bible.” In other words, they were telling me the bible would prove Mary was not holy - according to them (and, of course, I know she is 🙂

Thanks for your responses.
 
dotFaith said:
Sorry I was not more clear on this. Also, they told me to “Read my bible.” In other words, they were telling me the bible would prove Mary was not holy - according to them (and, of course, I know she is 🙂
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I would tell them that you have read it and ask them to point out which verses they’re referring to as you obviously missed something. 👍
 
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