How would you refute these claims by abortion supporters?

[puzzleannie]

Just to clarify…these statements I mentioned didn’t come from a friend, but were comments people made online in an artcle about abortion.

The comment someone made about Mary was in response to my post asking Mary’s intercession to end abortion. Sorry I was not more clear on this. Also, they told me to “Read my bible.” In other words, they were telling me the bible would prove Mary was not holy - according to them (and, of course, I know she is

Thanks for your responses.

tell them to read their bibles, namely the first two chapters of Luke, where the bible itself extolls her holiness, “My soul doth magnify the Lord . . .” sure sounds pretty holy to me.
Your friends should not be urging you to read the bible since they have abandoned the Christian faith which has upheld the holiness and special place of Mary in salvation history for 2000 years. Why on earth are supposed bible supporters arguing in favor of abortion in the first place? You might also remind them that the accepted way to engage in debate on a specific issue is not to digress to side issues.

With regard to the “women will get illegal abortions, at much greater risk, if abortion is no longer legal” the argument is simply absurd. “If murder is not legal, people will resort to illegal means of killing people who get in their way, so murder should be made legal.” duh

 

[beafedor]

Yes, I know, but nobody said abortion, back then.The back alley stories are for the most part a myth. I am sure it happened, but not as frequently as pro-aborts claim.

It had not been as “unsafe” as they say since penicillin was discovered because infections could be under control. Mass distribution of antibiotics started in 1945. And you are right, I have a friend who had her son killed during child birth before R. v.W in a public hospital and it was never labeled an abortion. (the baby had hydrocephalus and the doctor had convinced my then 18 year old friend that the best thing to do was to deliver naturally and end his life at the same time).

 

[Flavius_Aetius]

Can someone please help me with the whole D&C issue? Even if somehow abortion is banned apparently doctors will still be allowed to perform these operations so women can get first trimester abortions!

 

[Indyann]

Can someone please help me with the whole D&C issue? Even if somehow abortion is banned apparently doctors will still be allowed to perform these operations so women can get first trimester abortions!

You are probably correct. Though, if it was banned, at least the free-standing “mills” would be closed. Sin will never be eradicated, no matter how hard we try. Sinful people will always find a loop-hole.

 

[Sherry_G]

While posting a comment on an article about abortion, I saw the following comments - and I am paraphrasing:

a) Religious people (pro-lifers) don’t do anything to help a woman after she has had a baby. All they do is tell people not to have abortions and then they abandon her and the baby.

b) Only Republicans are pro-life.

c) Pro-lifers physically block people from entering Planned Parenthood clinics.

d) The Virgin Mother isn’t holy.

I see claims like these all the time when I go online to defend life, but sometimes I don’t have the time or the wisdom to counter them with the truth of the Church. I would like to defend the Catholic church’s position on these things in a clear, concise manner. Any suggestions are welcome!

The best defense is a good offense. All their “objections” to pro-life protesters are designed to divert the discussion away from the real issue = the murder of our own unborn children. Don’t take the bait and stay on task if you want to discuss the only issue that really matters. Stick to talking about the sanctity of life and protection of the most vulnerable and helpless among us and you will do fine.

 

[Newbie2]

So there is a loophole that would allow abortions to still go on! What’s the point in even fighting if it’ll always be supported by the public and the medical field! Not only that but I know that if it could ever be banned or at least not Federally supported the Pro-Choice camp will bare there teeth and start making Martyr of these women who die trying to break the law.

God this issue gets me so angry with the world; I honestly wish God just let us go extinct with the flood.

Jesus never said it would be easy, did he? Try to channel that anger into action, for the good. Satan knows our hot buttons and likes to push them.

While posting a comment on an article about abortion, I saw the following comments - and I am paraphrasing:

a) Religious people (pro-lifers) don’t do anything to help a woman after she has had a baby. All they do is tell people not to have abortions and then they abandon her and the baby.

That’s true for some pro-lifers, no doubt. But if one takes the time to investigate, the vast majority are willing to provide some support, either direct or indirect, to help out these mothers and their babies.

b) Only Republicans are pro-life.

As an entire political party, perhaps, but as individuals, no. This is a gross overgeneralization.

c) Pro-lifers physically block people from entering Planned Parenthood clinics.

I’m certain this has been attempted at times, but again, applies the rare instance to the entire group. There are also “pro-lifers” who have burned down abortion clinics and assaulted or killed doctors who perform abortions (calling into question their “pro-life” position). The actions of a few do not apply to the whole.

d) The Virgin Mother isn’t holy.

What this has to do with abortion is beyond my understanding. Might as well have said “Jesus isn’t really God”, for all it has to do with the topic.

I see claims like these all the time when I go online to defend life, but sometimes I don’t have the time or the wisdom to counter them with the truth of the Church. I would like to defend the Catholic church’s position on these things in a clear, concise manner. Any suggestions are welcome!

 

[Robert_Burns]

While posting a comment on an article about abortion, I saw the following comments - and I am paraphrasing:

a) Religious people (pro-lifers) don’t do anything to help a woman after she has had a baby. All they do is tell people not to have abortions and then they abandon her and the baby.

b) Only Republicans are pro-life.

c) Pro-lifers physically block people from entering Planned Parenthood clinics.

d) The Virgin Mother isn’t holy.

I see claims like these all the time when I go online to defend life, but sometimes I don’t have the time or the wisdom to counter them with the truth of the Church. I would like to defend the Catholic church’s position on these things in a clear, concise manner. Any suggestions are welcome!

A) The Catholic Church provides more Charity than any other entity in the Un ited States other than the Federal government - more than Planned Parenthood.

B ) Is Untrue

C) Planned Parenthood isnt a benevolent society - it is big business - its policies have racial overtones (The vast majority of Abortions happen to the poor and to minorities) You cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Those who are pro life merely are the voice of the unborn who have no voice of their own. Should we stand idly by while a modern day holocost is occuring ?

D) Turn the other cheek. The Blessed Virgin Mary is off limits in argumentaion just as the Lord Jesus Christ is. If someone wants to insult the Mother of GOD to that degree , I believe Catholic Charity dictates we pray for them - as I wouldnt want to be in their shoes on Judgment day. I refuse to argue - I merely say that the Holy mother of GOD is off limits - if you want to blaspheme GOD , my religion or the Angels or Saints then I really have nothing further to say to you. Because rational argumentaion has ceased if someone wants to go down that road to Hell - let them travel alone.

 

[OurLadyPerpHelp]

None of those claims are relevant - life either begins at conception or at some other time. Ask them what this other time is and their entire argument crumbles.

To argue that abortion should be legal because some women can’t afford babies is like saying we should execute the poor, disabled, or elderly.

The best way to not require an abortion is abstinence.

 

[RobbyS]

So there is a loophole that would allow abortions to still go on! What’s the point in even fighting if it’ll always be supported by the public and the medical field! Not only that but I know that if it could ever be banned or at least not Federally supported the Pro-Choice camp will bare there teeth and start making Martyr of these women who die trying to break the law.

God this issue gets me so angry with the world; I honestly wish God just let us go extinct with the flood.

There will always be murderers and thieves, too. All the law can do is to limit the number, minimize the violence. As far as Pre-Roe abortions, yes, middle-class families could always find a doctor to do the abortion. There was a doctor in Shreveport who did then in his office. He was skilled at it, but occasionally infection set in and the mother died, more often, pre-antibiotics, infection and scaring made the woman sterile. It happened to the daughter of
a school superintendent in my town, back in the late '30s.

 

[Flavius_Aetius]

There will always be murderers and thieves, too. All the law can do is to limit the number, minimize the violence. As far as Pre-Roe abortions, yes, middle-class families could always find a doctor to do the abortion. There was a doctor in Shreveport who did then in his office. He was skilled at it, but occasionally infection set in and the mother died, more often, pre-antibiotics, infection and scaring made the woman sterile. It happened to the daughter of
a school superintendent in my town, back in the late '30s

Yes but the difference being is that no one part of the society would say it’s ok to be a murderer or a theif. I can say with 99 percent certainty that if abortion were to be banned the second priority before trying to overturn the ban will be to inform people where these loophole abortions can be procured and it will have the full support of pro-choice doctors.

Of course things don’t seem too hopeless, after all regulations can be made to hopefully make these loophole abortions not be allowed either. I suppose earlier I felt it would be meaningless if we finally showed abortion to be murder and then behind everyones back it still is done in a legal manner…

 

[manualman]

While posting a comment on an article about abortion, I saw the following comments - and I am paraphrasing:

a) Religious people (pro-lifers) don’t do anything to help a woman after she has had a baby. All they do is tell people not to have abortions and then they abandon her and the baby.

b) Only Republicans are pro-life.

c) Pro-lifers physically block people from entering Planned Parenthood clinics.

d) The Virgin Mother isn’t holy.

I see claims like these all the time when I go online to defend life, but sometimes I don’t have the time or the wisdom to counter them with the truth of the Church. I would like to defend the Catholic church’s position on these things in a clear, concise manner. Any suggestions are welcome!

a) What a joke! The side that calls itself “pro-life” is by its very nature against abortion and yet in virtually every community in America you can call your local catholic parish and be referred to a pro-life organization that will assist you (crisis mom) with prenatal care, health care connections, baby supplies, medium term housing and often even employment counseling. Furthermore, this side offers counseling and support groups for women who had abortions and are suffering the after effects. In contrast, the side that call itself “pro-choice” is often willing to provide low cost abortions, but will not provide one lick of assistance to those women who want to “choose” life. The hypocrisy is overwhelmingly on THEIR side. Just ask Norma McCorvey (the original Roe is RoevWade, whose conversion to catholicism was influenced heavily by the marked contrast in behavior in the two camps.

b) This is true at the federal level today ONLY because the leadership of that party has effectively stomped out pro-life democrats. Not terribly long ago (less than 10 years), there were quite a few national Dem pro-lifers.

c) This once was true. So? In the 1960’s people physically blocked people from eating at “white-only” restaurants. Did that disprove the rightness of THAT cause? I sure don’t think so. But it’s rare lately since the Feds decided to make this a federal offence (FACE law) putting pro-life civil rights activists higher on the jailing list than drug smugglers and illegal alien smugglers (coyotes).

d) She’s a tough gal easily able to handle them on her own. Just blow such comments off, they are self-discrediting.