HPV vaccine bills in 21 states

[gam197]

The length of vaccine protection (immunity) is usually not known when a vaccine is first introduced. So far, studies have found that vaccinated persons are protected for five years. More research is being done to find out how long protection will last, and if a booster dose of vaccine will be needed
cdc.gov/nip/vaccine/hpv/hpv-faqs.htm#4

I bet most people who are in favor of this don’t realize how long the vaccine is effective for or the cost involved. Everything always seems free but it is not. We pay until we have no money left and then we want to have the government step in with a socialistic health program. No, I think that it should be voluntary and let the individual pay.

originally posted by Jennifer123
This is my concern. HPV can be communicated through skin contact, generally in the area from the chest to the knees.

Most of us realize that HPV is contacted genitally and that condoms don’t prevent the spread of this disease but skin contact. Most HPV goes away by itself.

 

[magician]

I bet most people who are in favor of this don’t realize how long the vaccine is effective for or the cost involved. Everything always seems free but it is not. We pay until we have no money left and then we want to have the government step in with a socialistic health program. No, I think that it should be voluntary and let the individual pay.

Most of us realize that HPV is contacted genitally and that condoms don’t prevent the spread of this disease but skin contact. Most HPV goes away by itself.

Where do you obtain your medical information?? “Most HPV goes away by itself” — you should be banned for spreading insidiously false information. The virus, once contracted, is with you for life. The virus may be suppressed by the immune system, but for women who are exposed, the risk of cervical cancer, and possibly other carcinomas, is extremely real.

No one should be forced to take a vaccine. Ignorance is bliss and everyone is free to live in their own ignorance. But don’t hold the government or anyone else responsible when you or one of your daughters is diagnosed with cervical atypia or outright cancer.

Stupidity at its height. Always remarkable.

 

[gam197]

Cervical dysplasia is a premalignant or precancerous change to the cells of your cervix. There are three types of cervical dysplasia: mild, moderate, and severe. Mild dysplasia is by far the most common, and probably is not a true premalignant disease. Mild dysplasia generally represents a tissue response to the HPV virus. **Up to 70% of women with mild dysplasia will have the cells become normal without any treatment. **

I was referring to this statement from the cancer sites that in 70% of women with mild dysplasia, the most common form, the cells will become normal without any treatment.

You generally obtain the virus through sex contact. Condoms can prevent the spread of many diseases, but not HPV.

Generally obtained through sexual contact, not skin contact.

The goal of treatment is not elimination of the virus, but for the body’s immune system to control the virus. Immune system function can be enhanced by not smoking and by taking multivitamins. Cervical dysplasia can be removed by many techniques, and your physician can discuss these treatments with you if they are needed. Women with normal immune system function can be cured of cervical dysplasia.

Immune system can control the virus.

I was just too abrupt.

 

[astegallrnc]

“Most HPV goes away by itself” — you should be banned for spreading insidiously false information. The virus, once contracted, is with you for life. The virus may be suppressed by the immune system, but for women who are exposed, the risk of cervical cancer, and possibly other carcinomas, is extremely real.

She is not spreading false information.
“There is no “cure” for HPV infection, although in most women the infection goes away on its own.” cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm#cure

The concern about life-long recurrences may be based on a misconception rather than a myth. It’s true that at present there is no known cure for genital human papillomavirus. As a virus, it will remain in the infected person’s cells for an indefinite time–most often in a latent state but occasionally producing symptoms or disease, as we have discussed elsewhere.

Recent studies from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine and from the University of Washington suggest that HPV may eventually be cleared, or rooted out altogether, in most people with well-functioning immune systems. ashastd.org/hpv/hpv_learn_myths.cfm

 

[magician]

You misread the article. The INFECTION may go away, but the VIRUS remains and can recur. There is no CURE. The virus can remain dormant indefinitely, but the woman is still at risk for cancer.

She is not spreading false information.
“There is no “cure” for HPV infection, although in most women the infection goes away on its own.” cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm#cure

The concern about life-long recurrences may be based on a misconception rather than a myth. It’s true that at present there is no known cure for genital human papillomavirus. As a virus, it will remain in the infected person’s cells for an indefinite time–most often in a latent state but occasionally producing symptoms or disease, as we have discussed elsewhere.

Recent studies from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine and from the University of Washington suggest that HPV may eventually be cleared, or rooted out altogether, in most people with well-functioning immune systems. ashastd.org/hpv/hpv_learn_myths.cfm

 

[astegallrnc]

No, I didn’t misread anything. Gam197 stated that “most HPV goes away by itself” and you replied “you should be banned for spreading insidiously false information”. You went on to say “Ignorance is bliss and everyone is free to live in their own ignorance. But don’t hold the government or anyone else responsible when you or one of your daughters is diagnosed with cervical atypia or outright cancer. Stupidity at its height. Always remarkable.”

She did not make a false statement. From the CDC "most women the infection goes away on its own". Gam197 stated what is written on the CDC’s website.

The INFECTION may go away, but the VIRUS remains and can recur. There is no CURE. The virus can remain dormant indefinitely, but the woman is still at risk for cancer.

Did I contradict this?

 

[magician]

No, I didn’t misread anything. Gam197 stated that “most HPV goes away by itself” and you replied “you should be banned for spreading insidiously false information”. You went on to say “Ignorance is bliss and everyone is free to live in their own ignorance. But don’t hold the government or anyone else responsible when you or one of your daughters is diagnosed with cervical atypia or outright cancer. Stupidity at its height. Always remarkable.”

She did not make a false statement. From the CDC "most women the infection goes away on its own". Gam197 stated what is written on the CDC’s website.

Did I contradict this?

The website also says that HPV is not CURABLE. That means when you get it, you have it for life. You statement implies that “it goes away” i.e. you don’t have to worry about it anymore. Nonsense.

 

[astegallrnc]

The INFECTION may go away, but the VIRUS remains and can recur. There is no CURE. The virus can remain dormant indefinitely, but the woman is still at risk for cancer.

Yes, I don’t necessarily disagree. From the CDC, “Most of the time, HPV goes away on its own. When HPV is gone, the cervix cells go back to normal. But sometimes, HPV does not go away. Instead, it lingers (persists) and continues to change the cells on a woman’s cervix. These cell changes (or “precancers”) can lead to cancer over time, if they are not treated”.

Peristent genital HPV infection places a woman at the greatest risk. “Research has shown that for most women (90 percent), cervical HPV infection becomes undetectable within two years. Although only a small proportion of women have persistent infection, persistent infection with “high-risk” types of HPV is the main risk factor for cervical cancer”. (soruce: CDC.gov).

 

[astegallrnc]

You statement implies that “it goes away” i.e. you don’t have to worry about it anymore.

Gam197 stated “Most HPV goes away by itself”.
CDC states “most women the infection goes away on its own”.

My post was in response to your statements that Gam197 is spreading false information. No one said it is curable.

 

[magician]

Gam197 stated “Most HPV goes away by itself”.
CDC states “most women the infection goes away on its own”.

My post was in response to your statements that Gam197 is spreading false information. No one said it is curable.

Go to the FDA website where there is a question about “cures”. There is no CURE for the virus. Therefore, it does not “go away”. There’s always a risk of cancer once the virus infects the T cells.

fda.gov/womens/getthefacts/pdfs/hpv.pdf

 

[astegallrnc]

This is a good explanation on the history of genital HPV from the CDC:

Natural History of Genital HPV Infections

Most genital HPV infections are transient and asymptomatic.

Approximately 70% of women with HPV infections become HPV DNA negative within one year, and as many as 91% of them become HPV DNA negative within two years.The median duration of new infections is typically eight months.

HPV 16 infections tend to persist longer than infection with other HPV types, but most HPV 16 infections become undetectable within two years.

The gradual development of an effective immune response is thought to be the likely mechanism for HPV DNA clearance. However, it is also possible that the virus remains in a non-detectable dormant state and then reactivates many years later. This may explain why HPV may be newly detected in some older women who have been in a long-term mutually monogamous relationship.

Many women with transient HPV infections may develop atypical squamous cells of undetermined significance (ASC-US) or low-grade squamous intraepithelial lesions (LSIL), as detected on a Pap test. These are mild cytologic abnormalities that represent the cytopathic effect caused by HPV infection, and they may spontaneously regress.

Only about 10% of women infected with HPV develop persistent HPV infections.

 

[astegallrnc]

Go to the FDA website where there is a question about “cures”. There is no CURE for the virus. Therefore, it does not “go away”. There’s always a risk of cancer once the virus infects the T cells.

No one said there is a cure and that is stated on the sites that I have referenced. That is your interpretation of “goes away”. Contact the CDC & ASHA to let them no this language is confusing to you, because it may be to others as well. I wouldn’t want anyone to misunderstand the information.

 

[astegallrnc]

I bet most people who are in favor of this don’t realize how long the vaccine is effective.

Gam197, you may find this interesting:

Since the vaccine is new, more studies need to be done. For example, the FDA does not know if you will need to have a booster after a couple of years.
fda.gov/womens/getthefacts/pdfs/hpv.pdf
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[astegallrnc]

There is no CURE for the virus. Therefore, it does not “go away”.

While it is true that there is no cure (I am using the definition “course of medical treatment to restore health”), the immune system may rid the body of the virus completely. In almost all cases, the immune system will keep the virus (including the cancer-related HPV types) under control or get rid of it completely. However, if HPV infection does not go away over many years, there is a greater chance of developing cell changes that may lead to cervical cancer. Only very rarely does the presence of HPV lead to cervical cancer.

ashastd.org/learn/learn_hpv_women.cfm

 

[gam197]

Thanks, apparently the FDA doesn’t know if they will need a series of boosters. The cost is enormous. There are 5,000 deaths yearly, which is small compared to say breast cancer deaths. I would imagine that most cervical cancer is in older women?

orignally posted by Jennifer123
This is my concern. HPV can be communicated through skin contact, generally in the area from the chest to the knees.

It is frightening to think that someone could touch themselves and shake your hand and pass on a virus but I don’t think that is what they are telling us.

This can be through vaginal, anal, oral sex (rare), or external genital skin-to-skin contact with an infected partner. The virus has also been found in semen and vaginal secretions.

 

[astegallrnc]

But some medical experts say lawmakers are moving too fast in their efforts to vaccinate all school-age girls. The American Academy of Pediatrics, for instance, is urging a go-slow approach, with an initial focus on raising public awareness of HPV and more monitoring of the safety of the vaccine, which had minimal side effects in clinical trials but hasn’t been observed in larger-scale rollouts.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-te.md.cervical29jan29,0,166914.story

Interesting. I would like to read the AAP position, but I am not a member.

It is Merck pushing mandate, not the immunization community according to the article.

 

[gam197]

Merck will push it but when the bills comes up,I’ll bet the American Medical community will be behind them. They backed the morning after pill in the state legislatures with spoken representation and letters asking for its approval and the American Academy of Pediatrics has been right there with them on most issues.

 

[Jennifer123]

Thanks, apparently the FDA doesn’t know if they will need a series of boosters. The cost is enormous. There are 5,000 deaths yearly, which is small compared to say breast cancer deaths. I would imagine that most cervical cancer is in older women?

It is frightening to think that someone could touch themselves and shake your hand and pass on a virus but I don’t think that is what they are telling us.

One would think that cancers are typically found in more mature adults, but in the case of cervical cancer specifically, more and more young women have been stricken, most likely due to HPV.

My problems are twofold. One, the “health community” has known for years about this problem, kept it quiet because it would rather pass along condoms than teach abstinence due to the fact that they don’t believe humans are capable of controlling sexual urges, much like dogs or other lower animals. Meanwhile young women have been dying.

Two, why should we require an HPV vaccine for children, specifically in elementary school, when it is protecting against what is primarily known as an STD? It can be contracted through the skin, but typically two persons don’t rub their skin from the area of the chest to the knees unless they are being unchaste. What message is being sent to very young children, let alone the older teenagers?

Why are we vaccinating against something that isn’t contracted airborne or in other ways that pose dangerous health risks, as in like mumps? My daughter could be raped and get pregnant, it doesn’t mean I want legalized abortion. To me, this reeks of the culture of death. :twocents:

 

[astegallrnc]

Here is the CMA’s statement on HPV vaccine for anyone interested.

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***The CMA supports widespread use of Gardasil® ***

*for girls and women in the age range for which the vaccine has been recommended by the ACIP, because it is effective, safe, and ethical to use, provided certain conditions are met.

******CMA opposes mandating the use of HPV vaccine, as well as ******direct or indirect efforts to pressure parents or minors to accept it.

cathmed.org./pressreleases/CMA_Statement_HPV_Vaccine.pdf

Here is the press release:
**cathmed.org/pressreleases/cma_hpv_jan07.pdf

 

[gam197]

The CMA encourages the use of this safe, effective, and ethically acceptable vaccine but at the same time rejects efforts at the federal level, and in some states, to mandate that girls be vaccinated against HPV.

Atleast the Catholic Medical Association is opposed to it being mandatory. Safe?

When the morning after pill was being discuss in the blue states’ legislatures, the MA Catholic Conference of Bishops spoke against the bill but said that the pill could sometimes be used in rape if it was to prevent ovulation.

Here is the MA paper…

macathconf.org/03-EC%20Mandate%20Testimony%20Judiciary%206-11.pdf

However, it was the NY Catholic Conference of Bishops Statement posted on their web page that caused pro morning after pill supporters to rally.

lifesite.net/ldn/2003/jul/030711c.html

I have a copy of the full statement and will look for it.