HPV vaccine

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Also, on previous posts, I mentioned “don’t walk down dark alleys” and you won’t be raped…maybe I was being cynical, but I was also trying to make a point. I’m not saying that girls are at fault with getting raped. Men are the perpetrators in the end, right? Yes, I’m aware of date rape, and that most rapes happen by people a woman knows…I’m not naive…The point I was trying to make is that a woman, too, has to be careful how she dresses…a small bit of cleavage makes a man very aware that “there’s a woman here”. Modesty is what I’m trying to say. Women need to be careful about “where a guy takes them on a date”. But no, it’s not all her fault…In the end, if she says no. then the guy needs to take that seriously or else, yes, it’s an abuse of power…and the woman suffers greatly.

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“It’s not all her fault.” It is not AT ALL her fault. Perhaps you just made a typo and forgot that word, but the way it is written now, one could read what you wrote as saying a woman does have some responsibility for a rape depending on how she dresses. She does not. A woman could be walking down the street in a 2 piece bikini, and it would not be her fault if she got raped. Period.
 
By the way, CLM Catholic, in your reading of medical journals/research about Gardasil, have you ever come across any information about the possibility of this vaccine causing or trying to cause infertility? (I read this once and have a hard time digesting it, and just don’t want to believe it’s true…but as we know from history and our present age, it seems that forced sterilization is not new—even in North America).
Sorry 🤷 I cannot offer any expertise with respect to this. I have not come across anything to this effect, so I cannot say with any confidence that this is true - or that it is untrue.

All I can say is that, without having heard anything to this effect, the thought did cross my mind. Perhaps it is because it strikes me as so odd - and creepy - that they are targeting our prepubescent girls. Without even having done clinical trials on girls this young!!

Here in Ontario (Canada) the government set up a program to go into the schools in GRADE 4 and vaccinate all of the 9 year olds (but parents can opt-out). I know the theory is that our girls are becoming sexually active before they are 10, and they want to “protect them early”. But even with younger and younger ages of promiscuity for decades now, the evidence still shows that cervical cancer is not an issue for teenagers. So why target the oh-so-very-young? :confused:

The aggressiveness with which this vaccine is marketed and the tender age at which they wish to vaccinate our daughters does seem to call their motives into question…

Peace to all and God Bless
CLM
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So, being Catholic, and waiting until marriage before sex, I know I would not need the HPV vaccine, as it is an STD.
When I went to a physical the other day, I agreed to the vaccine (1st dose) without thinking about it. (They conveniently didn’t say it was a HPV vaccine, but rather a Cervical Cancer vaccine-still I should have known better).
I am planning to not go through with the other doses, as I didn’t really want the first dose, and you only need to keep up the vaccines for preventive reasons.

Spiritually, was this the wrong thing to do (take the vaccine)? When I don’t need it, it’s bad to be putting it into my body when I don’t know everything it contains (is it a sin)?
To inject someone with a virus in order to do that person good is the same logic as doing something evil for good to result…which is directly against the moral law. (Catechism of the Catholic Church #1789)

I hope this helps. 🙂

– Nicole
 
To inject someone with a virus in order to do that person good is the same logic as doing something evil for good to result…which is directly against the moral law. (Catechism of the Catholic Church #1789)

I hope this helps. 🙂

– Nicole
CCC1789 says “One may never do evil so that good may result from it:” (and there are more statements…

We cannot take this out of context, however. Vaccinations are full of viruses and such to build up our child’s immune system. Vaccinations are not intrinsically evil. We have to make sure we don’t use the Catechism to misinterpret things…just like some use bible phrases/quotes to twist the teachings of the gospel…
 
**Littleflower_24,

As a Ph.D. in Microbiology, allow me to address your concern . While your desire to wait for marriage is monumentally virtuous, and I do pray that you are successful, you have no guarantee that your husband won’t unknowingly bring HPV into your marriage from a past lover.

Getting the vaccine does not mean that you are compromising. I would like to think that even if you are a virgin on your wedding day, that your fiancee would be truthful about the past. You can’t be absolutely certain that he will. He might also be infected, but not have detectable warts prior to the marriage, even if he is truthful. It isn’t worth gambling your life on.

Glaxo-Smith-Kline is finishing clinical trials on its own version of a vaccine. Stay tuned.

I would encourage vaccination for my daughters when they get older, for the reasons I have stated above.

Beyond the issue of HPV, there are several diseases that are silent in their symptoms, and pass quietly from person to person, including chlamydia, herpes, and HIV. All while using a condom.

Now, more than ever, the fruits of fidelity are sweet indeed. God Bless you and keep you faithful. Persevere in your love of God and yourself. **
 
Sorry 🤷 I cannot offer any expertise with respect to this. I have not come across anything to this effect, so I cannot say with any confidence that this is true - or that it is untrue.

All I can say is that, without having heard anything to this effect, the thought did cross my mind. Perhaps it is because it strikes me as so odd - and creepy - that they are targeting our prepubescent girls. Without even having done clinical trials on girls this young!!

Here in Ontario (Canada) the government set up a program to go into the schools in GRADE 4 and vaccinate all of the 9 year olds (but parents can opt-out). I know the theory is that our girls are becoming sexually active before they are 10, and they want to “protect them early”. But even with younger and younger ages of promiscuity for decades now, the evidence still shows that cervical cancer is not an issue for teenagers. So why target the oh-so-very-young? :confused:

The aggressiveness with which this vaccine is marketed and the tender age at which they wish to vaccinate our daughters does seem to call their motives into question…

Peace to all and God Bless
CLM
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So, you’re in Canada, too. hey?😃 I’m in BC. Is Canada the only country that is vaccinating girls this young?
 
So, being Catholic, and waiting until marriage before sex, I know I would not need the HPV vaccine, as it is an STD.
When I went to a physical the other day, I agreed to the vaccine (1st dose) without thinking about it. (They conveniently didn’t say it was a HPV vaccine, but rather a Cervical Cancer vaccine-still I should have known better).
I am planning to not go through with the other doses, as I didn’t really want the first dose, and you only need to keep up the vaccines for preventive reasons.

Spiritually, was this the wrong thing to do (take the vaccine)? When I don’t need it, it’s bad to be putting it into my body when I don’t know everything it contains (is it a sin)?
Well littleflower_24, it seems there has been a wide range of comments on your original post. With respect to getting future doses of the vaccine:

– A PhD in Microbiology says go ahead.
A PhD in Molecular Biology says do not.
– Some of the good Catholics say there is no moral concern with getting the vaccine.
Other good Catholics have the opposite opinion.

The short answer to your post is: Only you can decide what you feel is best for you.

You did not sin in getting the first dose. If you decide to proceed, it is entirely your choice, without fear of sin being involved.
Good luck to you. 🙂

CLM
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**Littleflower_24,

As a Ph.D. in Microbiology, allow me to address your concern . While your desire to wait for marriage is monumentally virtuous, and I do pray that you are successful, you have no guarantee that your husband won’t unknowingly bring HPV into your marriage from a past lover.

Getting the vaccine does not mean that you are compromising. I would like to think that even if you are a virgin on your wedding day, that your fiancee would be truthful about the past. You can’t be absolutely certain that he will. He might also be infected, but not have detectable warts prior to the marriage, even if he is truthful. It isn’t worth gambling your life on.

Glaxo-Smith-Kline is finishing clinical trials on its own version of a vaccine. Stay tuned.

I would encourage vaccination for my daughters when they get older, for the reasons I have stated above.

Beyond the issue of HPV, there are several diseases that are silent in their symptoms, and pass quietly from person to person, including chlamydia, herpes, and HIV. All while using a condom.

Now, more than ever, the fruits of fidelity are sweet indeed. God Bless you and keep you faithful. Persevere in your love of God and yourself. **
But I thought that the majority of people rid themselves of the infection. So, why would the majority of women need the vaccine? Also, any idea why the vaccine wasn’t developed for the boys?
You mentioned that various STD’s, even HIV can pass through a condom…could you please explain so we all can become knowledgeable? We’ve all been made to believe that the condom protects against pretty much everything!
 
I have a friend who is in a wheel chair because of this vaccine. I just don’t see why anyone would take the risk just to avoid HPV(which rarely leads to cervical cancer anyway, and cervical cancer is nearly 100% curable).

If I get a new, barely tested vaccine it will be for the Swine Flu.
 
But I thought that the majority of people rid themselves of the infection. So, why would the majority of women need the vaccine? Also, any idea why the vaccine wasn’t developed for the boys?
You mentioned that various STD’s, even HIV can pass through a condom…could you please explain so we all can become knowledgeable? We’ve all been made to believe that the condom protects against pretty much everything!
**Yes, in many cases, the infection is eventually resolved by the body’s immune system. However, during the infection in women, the virus enters into a woman’s cervical cells and its DNA gets incorporated into the DNA of the cervical cells. This is a different process that is not resolved by the immune system, and sets up cancer down the road. To a lesser extent, a similar process leads to cancer of the penis in men.

The vaccine, is imperfect as is. It does add a good amount of protection, as people with active infection (often not felt as such) can transmit the virus.

As for condom efficacy, the condom does not entirely cover the penis. Infected vaginal secretions run off the condom and onto the exposed part of the penis, the scrotum, and perianal area. If these secretions contain HPV or Herpes, these parts of the skin become infected. When the condom is removed and the penis once again lays flat against the scrotum, the entire penile area previously protected by the condom now is exposed to the infected secretions. Should that male then have sex with an uninfected female, and uses a condom, the exposed parts of the infected penis and scrotum will come into contact with the woman’s genitalia and transmit disease.

Then there is the issue of people using condoms for intercourse, but not for oral sex and transmitting all of the STD’s through oral/genital contact.

Then there is the failure rate of condoms which ranges from 15-40%. Even with the lowest failure rate, there is the issue of increased levels of sexual activity, which when multiplied by the failure rate increase the odds of a catastrophic failure event-like HIV transmission. **
 
Well littleflower_24, it seems there has been a wide range of comments on your original post. With respect to getting future doses of the vaccine:

– A PhD in Microbiology says go ahead.
A PhD in Molecular Biology says do not.
– Some of the good Catholics say there is no moral concern with getting the vaccine.
Other good Catholics have the opposite opinion.

The short answer to your post is: Only you can decide what you feel is best for you.

You did not sin in getting the first dose. If you decide to proceed, it is entirely your choice, without fear of sin being involved.
Good luck to you. 🙂

CLM
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Both you and Dr Nadal, presented great arguements, and we owe much to Littleflower for the debate. I came to the thread to find out a) Is the Church calling this immoral? b) Is it safe?

My 11 yr old is being asked to take this. She is developmentally delayed, in speech and social adeptness. We have weighed risks before, and - at the strong advice of doctors due to our advance age (39!) - had an amnio done. They discovered an inverse gene in Chromosone pair 16. To date we don’t know what that implies, only that she has to work harder than everyone of her peers. She shows traits of Asbergers sometimes, HFA others, and just plain old smart at other times. She is an angel. When she stresses she gets a psorisis outbreak on her scalp - which an earlier post mentioned ittitation, so I am wary.

No one has mentioned church teaching, though I may have heard Fr Tad on the radio talking about the science that the pharmaceuticals use to test and research this vaccine as having questionable ethics, ie stem cell research - but I can’t find anything on that yet.

I think she (we!) will have to be extremely cautious of any relationship she gets into - if at all - later on down the road. Hopefully, there will be more definitive information about the risk.

She is the last of 5 kids. The other 3 girls were not presented this vaccine through us (I say that because they don’t allow us access to private discussions/info after 13 yr old - that is a whole OTHER thread). I guess I am just looking for reassurance, if anyone wants to chime in. Thank you in advance for your kindness and consideration, and God bless you and yours.

Conflicted out west,
 
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If you want the bioethics, contact the National Catholic Bioethics Center. If you need more of the science/medicine, drop me a line.

God Bless,

Gerard M. Nadal, Ph.D.
 
Hi Mike,

Are you aware of the beneficial effects of Omega 3 (DHA, EPA) in Autism and other neuro-cognitive disorders?
 
Thank you for asking. Not completely, but we are very well aware of all the benefits to a diet rich in Omega 3 - and we are so very lucky to have a steady flow of wild salmon (my father-in-law is retired and justs catches fish all the time!). The doctors and educators have never commited to autism. They just hold at developmentally delayed, and she gets help with her speech and socialization issues. She is very bright, can memorize sheets of music, but has relational issues, eg she understands A to B, and B to C, but not how A relates to C. Luckily she finally got a great educator to help with that and is moving in leaps & bounds. I will be glad to look into additional information though, thank you!

 
Read about the work of Joseph Hibbeln (sp?), MD at the National Institutes of Health. Omega 3, and more specifically Omega 3 DHA and EPA is what the brain uses to heal itself and to build new brain tissue. And get her a labrador retriever dog. Saw a story about an autistic boy whose parents got him one. They put the dog in the boys room at night when it was bed time. At first the dog was invisible to the boy, but over time the dog became his best friend, and enabled to boy to behave and communicate as if he didn’t have autism.

God bless you, and all your family, especially your daughter.

Ted Ray
 
If you will send me your daughtrer’s first name I’ll pray for her.

Ted
 
If I had a daughter, I’d have her take the HPV shots about age 10 or so.

This is NOT encouraging her to be promiscuous. It is a layer of protection against disease including cancer.

She might be a virgo intacta on her wedding night. But how do we know her husband is virginal?

Besides, there are other horrible things that can happen.

To draw a parallel, Hep B can be transmitted sexually–but also through infected blood and its products.

Had my father had Hep B shots beforeh is long hospitalization, he wouldn’t have come down with it 3 mos after discharge!

ANY shot that helps proctect against ANY disease is a good thing.
 
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