https://www.quora.com/What-do-Protestants-and-Catholics-think-of-Mormons/answer/James-Hough-1

[SunshineGrandma]

There’s no ignorance, at least on my part.

When engaging in a theological discussion regarding LDS baptism and teachings, credibility needs to be established.

If one can prove the person making the claim lacks credibility, the conversation comes to a screeching halt.

 

[ColorMomma]

There is no equality in this situation. Religion is not a buffet where we can choose the one that suits us. We have to choose the one that is correct. What evidence is there that the faith you believe is the true one?

Our eternal salvation depends on it.

 

[lokisuperfan]

I believe in Charismatic Catholicism, which is the same as Roman Catholicism except I believe in continuationism, as opposed to cessationism. I use the same source as all continuationists do to support this: 1 Corinthians 12:4-11.

 

[SunshineGrandma]

I believe in Charismatic Catholicism, which is the same as Roman Catholicism except I believe in continuationism, as opposed to cessationism. I use the same source as all continuationists do to support this: 1 Corinthians 12:4-11.

What does Charismatic Catholicism mean to you?

What does continuationism mean?

Where have you experienced it? - not including scripture.

 

[Stephen168]

The whole point of an argument is to get someone to agree with you, and it’s easier to convince someone of something if you can convince them that what you’re saying is actually probable.

I don’t think it is possible to use reason to convince a Mormon about anything having to do with their religion.

“Mormons are in the anomalous position of saying that a spiritual testimony, not empirical proof, undergirds their faith,…”- Richard Lyman Bushman, Mormon Scholar.

St. Peter told us that we should be prepared to defend our beliefs. The Christian deposit of faith is and always has been that God is a spirit and is not a body of flesh and bone. This belief is defended by the early Christian church fathers as Tom has pointed out.

 

[lokisuperfan]

What does Charismatic Catholicism mean to you?

It’s a combination of the Charismatic belief and Roman Catholic belief. It constitutes of pretty much all of the same RC beliefs I was taught, with the exception of continuationism. One of the beliefs adopted from Charismatics is the belief that God should not be feared as a king, but rather, respected as a father, and that it’s okay to talk to Him about casual things like school, work, hobbies, etc. and ask Him for advice on little things. It emphasizes that by having a personal relationship with God as our Father, we will be able to learn how to do more of God’s will in our lives.

What does continuationism mean?

Continuationism means that I believe in modern spiritual gifts, with the exception of the gift of prophecy, although some continuationists do believe in modern gifts of prophecy (ex: LDS).

Where have you experienced it? - not including scripture.

Experienced…modern spiritual gifts?

 

[SunshineGrandma]

It’s a combination of the Charismatic belief and Roman Catholic belief. It constitutes of pretty much all of the same RC beliefs I was taught, with the exception of continuationism. One of the beliefs adopted from Charismatics is the belief that God should not be feared as a king, but rather, respected as a father, and that it’s okay to talk to Him about casual things like school, work, hobbies, etc. and ask Him for advice on little things. It emphasizes that by having a personal relationship with God as our Father, we will be able to learn how to do more of God’s will in our liv

Where did you go to school or religious education that taught you, at age 14, that God was anything but a loving Father that we can and should converse with?

I have never heard, read or witnessed any Catholic religious education that suggests God is to be feared as a king.

The only person I have ever heard claim that Catholics fear God was a Mormon.

Continuationism means that I believe in modern spiritual gifts, with the exception of the gift of prophecy, although some continuationists do believe in modern gifts of prophecy (ex: LDS).

Catholics teach and believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Do you believe they don’t? Has someone told you they don’t?

Experienced…modern spiritual gifts?

Which ones?

 

[ColorMomma]

I have a feeling TOm is going to come on here with some long and convoluted passages that try to refute the last few hours of content on this thread so I am going to bow out now.

I am going to stop posting now and just say that I wish all of you well and pray we all continue on our journey of faith.

God Bless!

 

[lokisuperfan]

Where did you go to school or religious education that taught you, at age 14, that God was anything but a loving Father that we can and should converse with?

I don’t remember, but I remember them saying that it was a waste of time to make friends with God and that we should only go to him when others need help.

Do you believe they don’t? Has someone told you they don’t?

Yes. My catechist has told me on several occasions that the gifts of tongues, healings, discernment, faith, etc. do not exist and that the apostles only got them because they were special. (Her words, not mine)

Which ones?

Well…according to Charismatic belief, you can’t get the full power of a spiritual gift until you’ve received the Holy Spirit at confirmation, so until then you can dip your toe in a few and try them out, but it’s usually a one time thing until confirmation. I’ve had experiences with the gifts of discernment of spirits, words of wisdom, and word of knowledge, but they’ve all been when it’s just me in my room and no one else is around, and it’s only happened once with each.

 

[SunshineGrandma]

I don’t remember, but I remember them saying that it was a waste of time to make friends with God and that we should only go to him when others need help.

Well, I taught religious education at my parish, raised and sent all kids to Catholic school and worked in a Catholic high school and find this hard to believe.

Do you attend Catholic school?

Who is responsible for your religious education?

You are only 14 and I’m sure if you think about it hard enough you will remember where you learned it.

 

[lokisuperfan]

Do you attend Catholic school?

No, I go to public school.

Who is responsible for your religious education?

It’s provided by my church, which is a Catholic church. It was one of my catechists, probably. It always is. But seriously, Roman Catholics believe in spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit? This is the first I’m ever hearing of this.

 

[Stephen168]

When logic has been deemed irrelevant to the topic of religion, and a burning in the bosom is sufficient, then it is impossible to use reason to convince LDS to consider the facts.

I believe TOm said he is an engineer and I wonder how one can compartmentalize one’s thoughts.

Cognitive dissonance is very frustrating and God would never do that to us.

That is the beauty of being Catholic. There is only only one truth.

 

[SunshineGrandma]

Yes. My catechist has told me on several occasions that the gifts of tongues, healings, discernment, faith, etc. do not exist and that the apostles only got them because they were special. (Her words, not mine)

Can you please look at your book and let me know which curriculum she is using.

Have you been confirmed yet? The age of confirmation varies depending on where you live.

You will learn about the gifts of the Holy Spirit if you haven’t already.

 

[SunshineGrandma]

It’s provided by my church, which is a Catholic church. It was one of my catechists, probably. It always is. But seriously, Roman Catholics believe in spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit? This is the first I’m ever hearing of this.

So if you attend public school, are 14 years old and are being raised by a very strict Catholic father you must be currently enrolled in religious education program at your local parish.

Correct?

It’s provided by my church, which is a Catholic church. It was one of my catechists, probably. It always is. But seriously, Roman Catholics believe in spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit? This is the first I’m ever hearing of this.

It was one of your catechists - meaning in the past?

That is generally not a topic covered in the scope and sequence in Catholic religious education until confirmation.

 

[lokisuperfan]

Have you been confirmed yet? The age of confirmation varies depending on where you live.

No, I get confirmed in June, on Pentecost day. I think that’s what it’s called, at least.

Can you please look at your book and let me know which curriculum she is using.

It just says “Chosen” on my book, if that’s any help.

When you say “gifts of the Holy Spirit”, are you referring to the Seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit (wisdom, counsel, piety, fear of God, knowledge, understanding, fortitude) or Spiritual Gifts of the Holy Spirit (prophecy, tongues, interpretation of tongues, discernment of spirits, word of wisdom, word of knowledge, faith, healings, exhortation, mercy, giving, miracles)? Because this is VERY shocking to me.

So if you attend public school, are 14 years old and are being raised by a very strict Catholic father you must be currently enrolled in religious education program at your local parish.

Correct?

Yes, that is correct.

 

[AngelaMarie]

But seriously, Roman Catholics believe in spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit? This is the first I’m ever hearing of this.

Oh My goodness.
YES!!! We do.
Who ever taught you otherwise should not be in the position to teach.
I would even bring this up to the DRE and if not them, the pastor

This is so wrong.
Sorry Sarah, your catechesis has been very poor

 

[AngelaMarie]

Is this the book?

https://ascensionpress.com/collections/chosen-your-journey-toward-confirmation

 

[lokisuperfan]

Yeah, that’s the one.

 

[SunshineGrandma]

Do you have a sponsor?

Chosen is a very popular confirmation preparation program. I’m surprised it’s falling short in preparing the students.

The teachers follow a Teacher guide so not much is left to chance.

Excerpt from Chosen:

God

It would be risky, being out on your own. Maybe you’re afraid of planes. Maybe you’ll eat something bad and get sick. Maybe you’ll get lost. Maybe something will happen to someone in your family while you’re gone. Do you risk it? It’s up to you.
Love is the same way. Allowing ourselves to love and be loved, as we were created to be, is risky. And yet, each of us longs for the kind of love that allows us to be completely open and honest. There is such freedom in that kind of closeness.
Every human relationship involves different levels of intimacy—from the less intimate chats with acquaintances, to the more heartfelt talks and
Trust in God is never misplaced. God wants intimacy with us. Maybe you never thought of God as a lover or a friend, but he thinks of himself that way. He is referred to as “the Bridegroom” in Scripture1 and told his apostles, “You are my friends” (John 15:14).
The Native American warrior and Catholic convert, Joseph Chiwatenhwa, once said about God, “Now I begin to see that the reason you made us is because you want to share your love. Nothing attracts you as much as your people.”
Yes, God wants you to know him! And though he alreadyknowseverythingaboutyou,hewantsyou
confidences of friendship, to the “got your back” trust we have with our closest friends and family members. Over time, we learn which people we can trust and which ones we can’t—all from opening ourselves, bit by bit, to find the intimacy we crave.
to open your heart and life up to him! We’re going to talk about what God has done to make himself known and how he wants us to respond to what he has revealed. Just as it is with the risk of taking any journey or engaging in any relationship, the journey of faith requires trust.

-This does not seem like a religious education program that teaches God is to be feared like a king.
Do you think it teaches God is to be feared and that Catholics are discouraged from forming a personal relationship with him?

 

[SunshineGrandma]

This is so wrong.
Sorry Sarah, your catechesis has been very poor

Chosen comes with a teacher guide, videos and supplemental activities so unless the teacher is sleeping instead of teaching this is not adding up.