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AngelaMarie
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Huh??
That is exactly what we call it in my parish
https://www.quora.com/What-do-Protestants-and-Catholics-think-of-Mormons/answer/James-Hough-1
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That is exactly what we call it in my parish
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AngelaMarie
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Sarah,
My apologies to you for the uncharitable and unChristlike attitudes that you are witnessing.
As you can see, just because one is a Catholic, doesn’t mean they don’t have a lot of purifying to go thru.
Keep your eyes on Christ, His Mother. Not on us broken human servants
My apologies to you for the uncharitable and unChristlike attitudes that you are witnessing.
As you can see, just because one is a Catholic, doesn’t mean they don’t have a lot of purifying to go thru.
Keep your eyes on Christ, His Mother. Not on us broken human servants
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lokisuperfan
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I was able to learn about the LDS ‘just fine’ because I did the research on my own time and schedule, and I was allowed to research whatever I wanted about them, whenever I wanted. Whenever I would ask questions in CCD, the teacher would either tell me to stop talking in class or tell me to look for the answer in my book. I’ve also been told on numerous occasions that if I don’t attend ALL CCD classes, I will not be allowed to be confirmed. I really don’t like being forced to do things. It just makes it feel too much like school. I like to learn at my own pace on my own, doing my own research, on my own time, on whatever about the topic I like, and when I get to do that, I genuinely enjoy learning. My CCD class just doesn’t make it feel that way.
I have nothing against learning about Catholicism in itself, I’m just very against the way I’m being taught to me. I’d be happy to read through any books or resources you can recommend as an alternative to this, but I personally am much more comfortable doing research on my own than in a classroom environment.
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AngelaMarie
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I understand what you are saying, and the challenge you are dealing with. I was the same way when I was your age, so much so that I got thru high school in 3 years instead of 4.
All that said, there isn’t much you can do to completely change what you have to do. School is school and you have to do the daily grind, just like adults have to do the daily grind with their jobs. Even if they hate it.
Do your due diligence to your daily duty, and that includes the classroom stuff, and them supplement what you do with what you like.
Part of being Christ-like is being obedient, and that includes to teachers, as long as they are not asking you to commit sin. Even Christ was obedient to Mary and Joseph. (IE the finding in the Temple).
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lokisuperfan
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Please stop making fun of me. I really don’t appreciate the way you’re mocking me.
If you thought I was referring to the time when my catechist went off on me for not wanting to be Catholic, they weren’t doing confessions that day, so I just sat in the church until my catechist came and got me.
Most things my catechist teaches me is stuff I already know, so I’m really not being taught anything.
And yes, she does make us write essays. Well, one essay and a bunch of SAQs. I did the essay, but forgot about the SAQs and she made me stay after class and write them while everyone else went to the church.
You’re cherry picking this out of context. That conversation I had with the priest was about my desire to convert to the CoJCoLDS. The priest did not ask why I wished to leave the CC, rather, why I wanted to join the CoJCoLDS, and I told him because it puts a lot of emphasis on family, and since my family is dysfunctional I liked the thought of that, and I went into detail about all the dysfunctionalities of my family. He told me I should consider talking to my catechist about my family issues and my desire to leave the church. I said I would. After that, I left. Nothing was said about the CC or its teachings.
If you thought I was referring to the time when my catechist went off on me for not wanting to be Catholic, they weren’t doing confessions that day, so I just sat in the church until my catechist came and got me.
I don’t know where you got the last one from. I said my dad has social anxiety and that he doesn’t like to complain to people. I have a social disorder. There’s a HUGE difference between the two.
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lokisuperfan
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I’m used to having my age overestimated online. I once was on a MMO server and a 40yo was flirting with me because he thought I was 20. Never played that game again.
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AngelaMarie
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I understand. I was very mature for my age, too, and a great deal of that came from my having come from a dysfunctional family as well.
Completely get it.
Completely get it.
GospelOfMatthew
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Sarah, I understand what you mean by having bad Catecheis, not every church has the best Catecheis and it’s bad to assume they do. I got confirmed three years ago when I was 17YO, we were allowed to bring a Subway sandwich or whatever we wanted with us to class, we had no book, we had no homework, we had no assignment. All we did was discussion but nobody volunteered so we literally sat there doing nothing, so I became a class clown and basically did stand-up routines I planned before class, no joke. We only met 4 times before I was confirmed and then we an over night retreat where most of the time was spent doing ice-breakers and messing around pranking each other. The first time I found out there were 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit from confirmation was one week before my confirmation.
I was told confirmation was completely optional, my choice as once I was Confirmed, I’m pretty much ‘locked in’ to the Catholic Church. I had zero clue what Confirmstion was when I was confirmed. I didn’t know until a few months ago that Confirmation completes or seals our baptism or something. Honesty, I wish I waited to get confirmed, waited until I could do private study on it and actually understand it. Now that I’m confirmed I’m happy with it because I’ve gotten these gifts and such but if someone asked me what Confirmation was I wouldn’t know what to say, I don’t know.
I think this is where researching on other faiths can be a bad thing. You seem very interested in the LDS, I have relatives who are Mormon, I’ve been to a Mormon service, I’ve spoken with many Mormon clergy people and I’ve spoken with a Mormon bishop. I absolutely respect and admire their lifestyle, they live a truly holy and honorable lifestyle. I do not agree with their Theology after studying it, because I am a very curious person on different religions (I study Religious Studies in college as well as Political science). Studying different religions does have its danger, there is some truth in everything but we don’t want to be fooled by the bit of truth. If you or I Studies Hinduism for long enough (and I have studied it), we would both find some truth in it and stuff we like. Perhaps the more we study we would actually consider looking into it. But this is the danger, we shouldn’t study something THAT much to actually taint our own views.
I was told confirmation was completely optional, my choice as once I was Confirmed, I’m pretty much ‘locked in’ to the Catholic Church. I had zero clue what Confirmstion was when I was confirmed. I didn’t know until a few months ago that Confirmation completes or seals our baptism or something. Honesty, I wish I waited to get confirmed, waited until I could do private study on it and actually understand it. Now that I’m confirmed I’m happy with it because I’ve gotten these gifts and such but if someone asked me what Confirmation was I wouldn’t know what to say, I don’t know.
I think this is where researching on other faiths can be a bad thing. You seem very interested in the LDS, I have relatives who are Mormon, I’ve been to a Mormon service, I’ve spoken with many Mormon clergy people and I’ve spoken with a Mormon bishop. I absolutely respect and admire their lifestyle, they live a truly holy and honorable lifestyle. I do not agree with their Theology after studying it, because I am a very curious person on different religions (I study Religious Studies in college as well as Political science). Studying different religions does have its danger, there is some truth in everything but we don’t want to be fooled by the bit of truth. If you or I Studies Hinduism for long enough (and I have studied it), we would both find some truth in it and stuff we like. Perhaps the more we study we would actually consider looking into it. But this is the danger, we shouldn’t study something THAT much to actually taint our own views.
GospelOfMatthew
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You don’t seem to understand what Confirmation is or the importance of it (I don’t understand it either) so can you decide to not get confirmed and wait a year or so to do your private study? I’m not saying this so you can go and become Mormon or something, I’m saying this so you can better appreciate the Sacrament you are preparing for, I wish I did this and I have a very devout catholic family with clergy in it.
It sounds to me, your reading up on Mormonism might be getting a bit unhealthy in that you are becoming very interested in it. Interest is fine, I have interests in Anglicans and Orthodox, but that interests stops when I know it’s hindering my own growth in Catholicism. Does that make sense Sarah?
One last comment, you said something about God telling you about “150 days to decide” or something? Could you explain this more for me? Is this something you felt God told you in prayer or a dream or something? Because you know the devil can tell us stuff in prayers and dreams too, it’s possible the devil told you this 150 day thing to give you more time to question Catholicism. So how did this 150 day thing start? God doesn’t work like this with ultimatums and such.
I’ll give an example from my own life, I play basketball sometimes, and I use to for years put a contingent on all my shots. Basically, I’d say in my head to God, “if this shot goes in then I will meet my future wife soon”. Then I’d do another shot and say “if this goes in I’ll have 4 kids.” Another “if this goes in then I’ll marry X”. Another “if this goes in than I’ll be married before I’m 25.” I honestly believed all this as I took shots from very far away, basically half-Court shots so it was very low odds it would go in and I figured God could let the ball go in if He wanted. So when it did I’d jump for joy because God just told me I’d get married or whatever it was I told Him. But all of this was really me putting God to the test like the devil did in the desert. I was asking God for a sign then another sign then another sign but Jesus says in the Gospels to the Pharisees that He has given signs and yet they still ask relentlessly (John 6:30). Is your 150 day thing something you agreed with God in your head, are you testing God and asking for signs like I did?
It sounds to me, your reading up on Mormonism might be getting a bit unhealthy in that you are becoming very interested in it. Interest is fine, I have interests in Anglicans and Orthodox, but that interests stops when I know it’s hindering my own growth in Catholicism. Does that make sense Sarah?
One last comment, you said something about God telling you about “150 days to decide” or something? Could you explain this more for me? Is this something you felt God told you in prayer or a dream or something? Because you know the devil can tell us stuff in prayers and dreams too, it’s possible the devil told you this 150 day thing to give you more time to question Catholicism. So how did this 150 day thing start? God doesn’t work like this with ultimatums and such.
I’ll give an example from my own life, I play basketball sometimes, and I use to for years put a contingent on all my shots. Basically, I’d say in my head to God, “if this shot goes in then I will meet my future wife soon”. Then I’d do another shot and say “if this goes in I’ll have 4 kids.” Another “if this goes in then I’ll marry X”. Another “if this goes in than I’ll be married before I’m 25.” I honestly believed all this as I took shots from very far away, basically half-Court shots so it was very low odds it would go in and I figured God could let the ball go in if He wanted. So when it did I’d jump for joy because God just told me I’d get married or whatever it was I told Him. But all of this was really me putting God to the test like the devil did in the desert. I was asking God for a sign then another sign then another sign but Jesus says in the Gospels to the Pharisees that He has given signs and yet they still ask relentlessly (John 6:30). Is your 150 day thing something you agreed with God in your head, are you testing God and asking for signs like I did?
GospelOfMatthew
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I always had bad Religious Ed. I was that kid who never paid attention, made side comments with the people around me, constantly making jokes… the teacher would let us get pitchers of water for the class from the kitchen so myself and a friend of mine would go (so we could miss class and prank everyone) and we would fill up two pitchers, one water and the other water with a tablespoon of salt stirred up well and then a hint of Pepsi. We would bring it back and we drank the regular water and gave the other pitcher to the people from a different school who we didn’t know meaning we didn’t like them lol. The water was wicked salty and slightly yellow and they would drink it and spit it out and start complaining, I’d say it was a mistake and my apologies. Literally my Catecheis was a zoo, one girl ran up to the board and wrote her twitter handle so people would follow her. One time I stood up and started saying how worthless this class was so that the class would laugh. Every class I would “accidentally” spill the good pitcher of water all over the tables and wait and see how long it took for the teacher to notice. The last day of our classes, we all left and thanked the teacher for teaching us, and everyone hugged her. I went over and thanked her and was gonna go for a hug and she literally burst out crying and said “Get out! You ruined this class!”
So when people say your Catecheis is abnormal, no. You want to see abnormal, see what I had. From 3rd grade to confirmation in 11th grade I acted like this, the teachers always hated me and I always got a ton of laughs, I was the notorious class clown. I think part of it was I came from a very religious family so I knew absolutely everything they taught. Sometimes the teachers would call on me to try and trip me up because they really didn’t like me. But nope, I knew all the answers so they quickly told me to stop talking.
Your Catecheis isn’t based on your teacher, it’s what you make of it. I had good teachers but I made it into my platform for standup comedy and in turn, my Catecheis became a circus on wheels.
Side note, I did all these jokes and stuff because I liked a few girls in the Religious Ed classes and I wanted to impress them so I acted like an idiot spilling water everywhere and putting salt in it and standing up and saying the class was stupid and all these jokes so they would like me. Long story short, I’ve never spoken to them since those classes ended. Everyone likes the class clown until the gig ends. People are class clowns because they are hiding their insecurities and social awkwardness. I was the king of this. Hope some of that helped you not feel like your Catecheis is horrible, it’s really what you make of it.
Like I’ve said in other threads, I thought my faith was a joke and a place I could get laughs until last year and now I’m really stuck because this class clown personality I’ve had for 15+ years seems suddenly out of place. I’m glad you take your faith seriously at 14, I sure didn’t
So when people say your Catecheis is abnormal, no. You want to see abnormal, see what I had. From 3rd grade to confirmation in 11th grade I acted like this, the teachers always hated me and I always got a ton of laughs, I was the notorious class clown. I think part of it was I came from a very religious family so I knew absolutely everything they taught. Sometimes the teachers would call on me to try and trip me up because they really didn’t like me. But nope, I knew all the answers so they quickly told me to stop talking.
Your Catecheis isn’t based on your teacher, it’s what you make of it. I had good teachers but I made it into my platform for standup comedy and in turn, my Catecheis became a circus on wheels.
Side note, I did all these jokes and stuff because I liked a few girls in the Religious Ed classes and I wanted to impress them so I acted like an idiot spilling water everywhere and putting salt in it and standing up and saying the class was stupid and all these jokes so they would like me. Long story short, I’ve never spoken to them since those classes ended. Everyone likes the class clown until the gig ends. People are class clowns because they are hiding their insecurities and social awkwardness. I was the king of this. Hope some of that helped you not feel like your Catecheis is horrible, it’s really what you make of it.
Like I’ve said in other threads, I thought my faith was a joke and a place I could get laughs until last year and now I’m really stuck because this class clown personality I’ve had for 15+ years seems suddenly out of place. I’m glad you take your faith seriously at 14, I sure didn’t
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