Huge Abortion Photos to be Flown Today Over University of Notre Dame to Stop the Abortion Cover-Up

[Rach620]

Not once have I made sweeping judgments against the use of images in every case. I am talking about THIS case, and THESE particular uses of the images. The amount of money which must be getting spent on ensuring that all of these images are on display–in the skies above Notre Dame–must be in the thousands of dollars. IMO, it is a waste of valuable money that could be used to house, feed, and clothe pregnant women and their children–who were saved from abortion because their mothers saw that it was possible to support their young lives.

Images serve a purpose; I am sure that they have saved lives in various circumstances. I am deeply questioning the prudence of using them to this degree in this case.

 

[Steeltemplar]

Not once have I made sweeping judgments against the use of images in every case. I am talking about THIS case, and THESE particular uses of the images. The amount of money which must be getting spent on ensuring that all of these images are on display–in the skies above Notre Dame–must be in the thousands of dollars. IMO, it is a waste of valuable money that could be used to house, feed, and clothe pregnant women and their children–who were saved from abortion because their mothers saw that it was possible to support their young lives.

Images serve a purpose; I am sure that they have saved lives in various circumstances. I am deeply questioning the prudence of using them to this degree in this case.

I can see what you are saying

We must be good stewards of the funds we have. Those projects which give shelter and aid to women and children certainly save lives. Furthermore, every woman who is helped by those programs has an opportunity to change the minds of others if she tells them her story.

I really do not know about the costs of all this and such, so I will not make a judgment. But at least I want to say that Rach is bringing a perspective which is worthy of thought. The shelters and aid programs, after all, are important pillars in a culture of life.

And if we want to stop the culture of death, only the culture of life will be able to do it.

 

[KathleenElsie]

Not once have I made sweeping judgments against the use of images in every case. I am talking about THIS case, and THESE particular uses of the images. The amount of money which must be getting spent on ensuring that all of these images are on display–in the skies above Notre Dame–must be in the thousands of dollars. IMO, it is a waste of valuable money that could be used to house, feed, and clothe pregnant women and their children–who were saved from abortion because their mothers saw that it was possible to support their young lives.

Images serve a purpose; I am sure that they have saved lives in various circumstances. I am deeply questioning the prudence of using them to this degree in this case.

I believe that these pictures and the money spent to provide the coverage at ND is being well spent. The issue of life and the horrors of abortion have been spread internationally due to the issue of BHO and ND.

If the money had been spent at a small school with no international coverage then maybe it could have been used in a better manner. But this time the publicity over this is world wide. So IMHO money well spent.

 

[reggieM]

Images serve a purpose; I am sure that they have saved lives in various circumstances. I am deeply questioning the prudence of using them to this degree in this case.

When and where do you think they should be used?

 

[reggieM]

I believe that these pictures and the money spent to provide the coverage at ND is being well spent. The issue of life and the horrors of abortion have been spread internationally due to the issue of BHO and ND.

If the money had been spent at a small school with no international coverage then maybe it could have been used in a better manner. But this time the publicity over this is world wide. So IMHO money well spent.

I agree. It’s a prudential judgement by the people who are investing the money in the pro-life cause. As Fr. Pavone said, the pictures are a powerful tool. So the money is well-spent.

 

[sedonaman]

Can we all agree that the money being spent…

• on keeping the airplane in the skies 3-6 hours per day;
• keeping the trucks on the streets
• financing billboards on I-80/90
  etc. etc.

would all be put to better use in endeavors that concretely build the culture of life?
…

Is this too much to ask?

And, pray tell, when was the last time you wrote to your representatives in Congress protesting the money the government was spending on abortion [and now what will be spent on abortions in other countries]?

You talk as though “keeping the airplane in the skies 3-6 hours per day; keeping the trucks on the streets; financing billboards on I-80/90; etc. etc.” involved billions of dollars.

The fact is that no one method reaches all those concerned, and a multi-pronged approach that includes the graphic is necessary.

 

[Vonier]

All the squealing indicates the pictures hit the target. That’s why the supposed choicers fight pre-abortion sonograms and words like human being or baby.

Eyes and ears covered, they just screech on and on about the right to kill an unborn child.

Let them see what they’ve wrought. Those pictures will meet them at the judgement.

 

[Catherine_S]

Graphic photos and videos have worked for Baby seals!!
Why would they not** work for Baby humans??
.
Anti-sealing groups use media blitz to seek European ban
The media blitz took place in more than a dozen capitals including London, Paris, Brussels and the Hague as part of a concerted effort to put new pressure on the European Union.
The coalition* released graphic new video footage** of this year’s seal hunt. Sonja Van Tichelen, head of Eurogroup for Animals, said the images were taken in the Gulf of St. Lawrence over the last two months. *
"We don’t like the cruel seal hunt. We don’t like these products in Europe," said Van Tichelen, whose group represents* 44 animal rights bodies across Europe**.*
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2008/04/25/eu-seal.html
Less than a year later…
(Brussels, Belgium – 5 May 2009) –The European Parliament today voted 550 to 49 in favour of a ban on the trade of all seal products within the EU. The **International Fund for Animal Welfare *(IFAW – www.ifaw.org) applauded the decision as a significant victory in IFAW’s 40 year campaign to end Canada’s commercial seal hunt. The ban will forbid the sale of seal products for profit within the EU with an exception for Inuit and other indigenous peoples
www.stopthesealhunt.org.*
.
The European Parliament voted overwhelmingly today to ban seal product imports.* Our long struggle to achieve this goal is over and it has ended in a great victory for civilized** morality and** ecological responsibility** over barbaric greed, cruelty, and waste.*
The Canadian government has already threatened to challenge the legislation, expected to take effect in the first half of 2010, at the World Trade Organization. They will fail, and if they have any sense of responsibility to the majority of Canadians who do not support sealing they will desist from trying to threaten a 25 billion dollar trade agreement with the European Union.
The results of the vote in Strasbourg* were overwhelming**: 550 votes for the ban and only a mere 49 against it. The European Bill to ban seal products passed with 92% support from the European parliamentarians.*
“Hopefully this will give the government of Canada the message that they need to join the 21st Century,” said Captain Paul Watson.* “This kind of barbarity has absolutely no place in our world today.”***
This is the single greatest blow ever struck against the sealing industry and it will bring the industry to its knees.
http://66.17.141.136/news-and-media/news-090505-1.html

How barbaric and** cruel** are the methods used to** kill** innocent, helpless, and defenceless babies???!!!
Are abortion doctors* unlike*** these fisherman who kill** baby** seals.
Is abortion not a profitable business.
Should abortion have such a* respectable**, stable and** secure** place** in our world?***
Personal opinion…pray…pray…pray and if there is** any** chance that they can discourage the killing of human babies, bring on the graphic photos and videos.
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[Catherine_S]

Graphic photos and videos have worked for Baby seals!!
Why would they* not** work for Baby humans??*
.
Anti-sealing groups use media blitz to seek European ban
The media blitz took place in more than a dozen capitals including London, Paris, Brussels and the Hague as part of a concerted effort to put new pressure on the European Union.
The coalition* released graphic new video footage** of this year’s seal hunt. Sonja Van Tichelen, head of Eurogroup for Animals, said the images were taken in the Gulf of St. Lawrence over the last two months. *
"We don’t like the cruel seal hunt. We don’t like these products in Europe," said Van Tichelen, whose group represents* 44 animal rights bodies across Europe**.*
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2008/04/25/eu-seal.html
Less than a year later…
(Brussels, Belgium – 5 May 2009) –The European Parliament today voted 550 to 49 in favour of a ban on the trade of all seal products within the EU. The **International Fund for Animal Welfare *(IFAW – www.ifaw.org) applauded the decision as a significant victory in IFAW’s 40 year campaign to end Canada’s commercial seal hunt. The ban will forbid the sale of seal products for profit within the EU with an exception for Inuit and other indigenous peoples
www.stopthesealhunt.org.*
.
The European Parliament voted overwhelmingly today to ban seal product imports.* Our long struggle to achieve this goal is over and it has ended in a great victory for civilized** morality and** ecological responsibility** over barbaric greed, cruelty, and waste.*
The Canadian government has already threatened to challenge the legislation, expected to take effect in the first half of 2010, at the World Trade Organization. They will fail, and if they have any sense of responsibility to the majority of Canadians who do not support sealing they will desist from trying to threaten a 25 billion dollar trade agreement with the European Union.
The results of the vote in Strasbourg* were overwhelming**: 550 votes for the ban and only a mere 49 against it. The European Bill to ban seal products passed with 92% support from the European parliamentarians.*
“Hopefully this will give the government of Canada the message that they need to join the 21st Century,” said Captain Paul Watson.* “This kind of barbarity has absolutely no place in our world today.”***
This is the single greatest blow ever struck against the sealing industry and it will bring the industry to its knees.
http://66.17.141.136/news-and-media/news-090505-1.html

How barbaric and** cruel** are the methods used to** kill** innocent, helpless, and defenceless human babies???!!!
Are abortion doctors* unlike*** these fisherman who kill** baby** seals.
What about the pain and suffering of human babies.
Is abortion not a profitable business.
Should abortion have such a* respectable**, stable and** secure** place** in our world?***
Personal opinion…pray…pray…pray and if there is** any** chance they can discourage the killing of human babies, bring on the graphic photos and **videos. E****xpose **this horrific evil for what it really is. We look away because it is so Evil but enough is seen to plant a seed.

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[purplesunshine]

All this is emotinal based and harms many who are sensitive, while leaving the hard hearted to be hard-hearted.

Children, I’m sure, will be at the convocation. It is a horrible thing to allow a child to be witness to that.

Hasn’t anyone figured out yet that this battle cannot be won by human proweress and pranks?

I think it would be better if all the churches around Notre Dame were filled with Eucharistic Adoeres or people celebrating Mass.

It is NOT US who change hearts but GOD ALONE!!!

Remember the Pharo in the land of Israel. He suffered horrible plagues, yet it was GOD who held his heart and let the isarlites free. No crisis that Moses aided in had any affect on him.

 

[sedonaman]

All this is emotinal based and harms many who are sensitive, while leaving the hard hearted to be hard-hearted.

Good and evil are by their very nature emotional issues. As I posted earlier, yours is a Manichaean view that ignores a large group in the middle.

Children, I’m sure, will be at the convocation. It is a horrible thing to allow a child to be witness to that.

Hasn’t anyone figured out yet that this battle cannot be won by human proweress ?] and pranks?

I think it would be better if all the churches around Notre Dame were filled with Eucharistic Adoeres or people celebrating Mass.

It is NOT US who change hearts but GOD ALONE!!!

Remember the Pharo in the land of Israel. He suffered horrible plagues, yet it was GOD who held his heart and let the isarlites free. No crisis that Moses aided in had any affect on him.

We might apply your solution to world hunger, disease, war, poverty, or any other of the world’s problems.

“So long as you did not do it for the least, you did not do it for me.”

 

[cathgal]

I haven’t visited this thread for a while so that’s why I haven’t responded. I wasn’t ignoring you or anything.

Simply stated, I don’t believe that flying posters of aborted babies will save anyone. I don’t believe that showing graphic images or horrific events (not just abortion) helps to deter that event. Instead I feel that it’s similar to those that look at a car accident as you drive by. You’re curious to see if there’s blood, guts, and gore but your life won’t be changed by what you see.

How can you compare a car accident to abortion??
How often do you get to SEE death, blood gore an all, in a car accident as you drive by ?? I never saw one. The most I saw are damaged cars and some broken windows. So how can a person’s life be changed by that. If an accident is dued to drunk driving and a person saw blood, gore and some torn body parts, a person might think twice about drink and drive. It may discourage some people from driving for a while but not completely because driving is a necessity for most people to get around. A car accident is just that…accident.

Abortion, on the other hand is, legal murder. Most people cannot even grasp the meaning of the word and what it entails

 

[purplesunshine]

Good and evil are by their very nature emotional issues. As I posted earlier, yours is a Manichaean view that ignores a large group in the middle.

We might apply your solution to world hunger, disease, war, poverty, or any other of the world’s problems.

“So long as you did not do it for the least, you did not do it for me.”

I’m not ignoring the large group in the middle. I cannot believe the parent on here who would let their child see such gruesome images. I can not believe that a parent in good conscience would let anyone under 12 or atleast 7 see such things. They can’t even psycologicaly grasp the concept of death.

I was a part of the anti-abortion movment since before my own birth. I saw the pictures. And, consequently, I will not EVER protest. I will pray. I will beseege God. I will ask Him to change hearts.

The pictures might “work” in a few anacdotal cases but seriosuly people after over 30 years of doing this can’t you figure out its not working??? Don’t you realize that you aren’t changing things???

 

[Vonier]

I’m not ignoring the large group in the middle. I cannot believe the parent on here who would let their child see such gruesome images. I can not believe that a parent in good conscience would let anyone under 12 or atleast 7 see such things. They can’t even psycologicaly grasp the concept of death.

I was a part of the anti-abortion movment since before my own birth. I saw the pictures. And, consequently, I will not EVER protest. I will pray. I will beseege God. I will ask Him to change hearts.

The pictures might “work” in a few anacdotal cases but seriosuly people after over 30 years of doing this can’t you figure out its not working??? Don’t you realize that you aren’t changing things???

The pictures are so bad you won’t protest? Contemplate the act itself

 

[cathgal]

I’m not ignoring the large group in the middle. I cannot believe the parent on here who would let their child see such gruesome images. I can not believe that a parent in good conscience would let anyone under 12 or atleast 7 see such things. They can’t even psycologicaly grasp the concept of death.

I was a part of the anti-abortion movment since before my own birth. I saw the pictures. And, consequently, I will not EVER protest. I will pray. I will beseege God. I will ask Him to change hearts.

The pictures might “work” in a few anacdotal cases but seriosuly people after over 30 years of doing this can’t you figure out its not working??? Don’t you realize that you aren’t changing things???

How can you apply your experience to everyone and how do you know it’s not working?

It may be the pro-death has more advantage than pro-life on this side of the battle. Take the media for a start.

 

[sedonaman]

… I will not EVER protest. I will pray.

If that’s your bag, fine. Others have a different approach because the same one doesn’t reach everyone.

P.S. I maintain that if a kid is old enough to ask a question [like, “Who broke the babies?”], he’s old enough to get an answer he can understand. So, I think you just don’t want to have to explain the photos to your kids.

 

[Catherine_S]

All the squealing indicates the pictures hit the target. That’s why the supposed choicers fight pre-abortion sonograms and words like human being or** baby. **

Eyes and ears covered, they just screech on and on about the right to kill an unborn child.

Let them see what they’ve wrought.

"Terrible photographs have helped end child labor abuses, civil rights injustices, and America’s involvement in ill-conceived wars; and terrible photographs will help end abortion, even if pro-life activists must show them over the objection of prolife pacifists," stated CBR*.***
So far, at least 62 U.S. bishops and over 340,000 petitioning Catholics have condemned the Obama honor, while University President Fr. John Jenkins has said the school is “tremendously proud” to host Obama.
**One graduating senior at Notre Dame emailed Gregg Cunningham, CBR executive director, to complain that the “disturbing” images made her feel “uncomfortable,” and were disrespectful and inappropriate for the occasion. *
In response, Cunningham wrote: "If you think abortion photos are ‘disturbing’ why aren’t you more disturbed by abortion itself? Why do you care more about your own **‘comfort’ than you care **about the survival of the little children who are being slaughtered? **"Is that what the priests taught you at Notre Dame; that your comfort is more important than someone else’s life?"
Cunningham noted that his group has witnessed the positive effect of such images in the past on those who had not previously been aware of **the true **nature of abortion. *
*“Many of your classmates have had abortions and many more will have them in the future,” he wrote. "Some of these students, at least those with functioning consciences, could be talked into saving their babies if they were forced to look at what abortion **is *and does. … These students need truth more than they need comfort."
"You say Mr. Obama is coming to honor you," said Cunningham. "We are going to make your class look at the hidden reality for which he stands and then you can all better decide how much of an honor his presence actually confers on you and your classmates."
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09050112.html

 

[purplesunshine]

The pictures are so bad you won’t protest? Contemplate the act itself

The pictures are scarring horrors. An adult should know and see them, but to permissivly allow children to see them is wrong.

Yes, the killing is more wrong.

But they do not at all show human dignity.

How can you apply your experience to everyone and how do you know it’s not working?

It may be the pro-death has more advantage than pro-life on this side of the battle. Take the media for a start.

How do I know that its not working. How about the fact that 1/3 of my generation dosn’t exist. It hasn’t changed things at all? Is our country any better off since RVW? Have we made ANY progress? Have we repealed any laws that have stuck for even so much as a decade?

So what if the “liberal” media says we aren’t winning. Maybe becuase its true.

 

[Steeltemplar]

I do not think that the pro-life battle can be be won on its own. Some people will be swayed towards life through our efforts on this front and we should work for that. However, we have to fight at the most fundamental level in order to bring people to accept the importance of a culture of life.

We live in a society in which the vast majority of people do not have a solid spiritual foundation. Without the foundation, we have nothing to build on. And, quite honestly, we must start within our own Church. We must build strong faith communities, bring proper catechesis to Catholics who have a poor understanding of the faith, support each other in faith, and raise our children with truth.

Simply put, before we can convince people that abortion is evil, we must first convince them of the nature of good and the nature of evil in the first place. That essential foundation is gone. And without it, we cannot hope to reach them.

 

[cathgal]

The pictures are scarring horrors. An adult should know and see them, but to permissivly allow children to see them is wrong.

‘Wrong’ is relative

But they do not at all show human dignity.

Of course not. It is the indignity that is being shown.

Alot of people don’t have time to sit and listen if education is all you give. How do you make them aware of the evil of abortion? They need something quick and fast.

How do I know that its not working. How about the fact that 1/3 of my generation dosn’t exist. It hasn’t changed things at all? Is our country any better off since RVW? Have we made ANY progress? Have we repealed any laws that have stuck for even so much as a decade?

It could’ve been worse, like 1/2.

So what if the “liberal” media says we aren’t winning. Maybe becuase its true.

Not what I meant at all.

How often do you see pro-life ad on TV or news ? Probably never. Never even spoken or mentioned and it is the only outlet that most people are exposed to.

From my experience, I was never been exposed to a pro-life message and the term pro-choice would be meaningless to me. Heck, I wasn’t even aware of abortion itself. But if seeing an image of an aborted baby, I would become aware of what abortion is all about.

You think alot of teenagers are aware of abortion and what it is. Alot of them are exposed to sex and into sex. Promiscuity is rampant in this nation. Then when they’re pregnant and afraid, guess who come to the ‘rescue’. They probably learn about the evil of abortion when a crisis hits them.

I became aware of it only because of Catholicism and nothing to do w/ pro-life message.