*HUGE* Watchtower article of January 2013

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This is HUGE, the Jehovah’s Witnesses magazine The Watchtower, January 2013 edition had this article on the End Times.

LOOK what the article says at the end:
HAVE JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES GIVEN INCORRECT DATES FOR THE END?
Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come. Like Jesus’ first-century disciples, we have sometimes looked forward to the fulfillment of prophecy ahead of God’s timetable. (Luke 19:11; Acts 1:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, 2) ** We agree with the sentiment of longtime Witness A. H. Macmillan, who said: “I learned that we should admit our mistakes and continue searching God’s Word for more enlightenment.”**
Why, then, do we continue to highlight the nearness of the end? Because we take seriously Jesus’ words: “Keep looking, keep awake.” The alternative, to be found “sleeping” by Jesus, would prevent us from gaining his favor. (Mark 13:33, 36) Why?

Consider this example: A lookout in a fire tower might see what he thinks is a wisp of smoke on the horizon and sound what proves to be a false alarm. Later, though, his alertness could save lives.
Likewise, we have had some wrong expectations about the end. But we are more concerned with obeying Jesus and saving lives than with avoiding criticism. Jesus’ command to “give a thorough witness” compels us to warn others about the end.—Acts 10:42.
**We believe that even more important than focusing on *when ***the end will come, we must be confident that it *will *come, and we must act accordingly. We take seriously the words of Habakkuk 2:3, which says: “Even if [the end] should delay [compared to what you thought], keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true. It will not be late.”
This is huge because the Watchtower has admitted it got things wrong, meaning false predictions about how long it would take for Jesus to return, making false predictions on dates, etc.

COULD this be the Watchtower transitioning into a new phase of sorts? Getting ready to abandon their crucial 1914 doctrine and other such things?

WHY would they say this? Is it because we are one year away from the 100 year mark of 1914 and Jesus STILL hasn’t returned?
 
This is HUGE, the Jehovah’s Witnesses magazine The Watchtower, January 2013 edition had this article on the End Times.

LOOK what the article says at the end:
This is huge because the Watchtower has admitted it got things wrong, meaning false predictions about how long it would take for Jesus to return, making false predictions on dates, etc.

COULD this be the Watchtower transitioning into a new phase of sorts? Getting ready to abandon their crucial 1914 doctrine and other such things?

WHY would they say this? Is it because we are one year away from the 100 year mark of 1914 and Jesus STILL hasn’t returned?
  1. The realization that “Millions Now Living will Never Die” from 1925 was false prophecy, that everybody connected with the 1914 church is gone, and they need to back off?
  2. A desire to distance from more famous world-ending movements such as the 2012ers?
Just a wild guess.

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The Worldwide Church of God of Herbert W. Armstrong was also obsessed with date-setting which, of course, failed to get fulfilled. They used to be non-Trinitarian but they have since moved toward a more Evangelical theology after Armstrong’s death.

Who knows, this may knock some sense into the Jehovah’s Witnesses and move them towards a more orthodox direction. I’d rather see them move towards Evangelicalism which is a step in the right direction than stay where they are. At least as Evangelicals, they’ll hold on to a proper Trinitarian doctrine. Then who knows, more might then become Catholic.
 
  1. A desire to distance from more famous world-ending movements such as the 2012ers?
That’s a good theory. The Mayan thing and that 2011 evangelical guy were two recent “false predictions” that could have tarnished the image of every date-setting organization for the time being.
 
For as long as I’ve known Jehovah’s Witnesses, they have been forthcoming about changes to their teaching and practice over the years. They continue to see themselves as Bible students, and who live and learn with increased study and experience.
We agree with the sentiment of longtime Witness A. H. Macmillan, who said: “I learned that we should admit our mistakes and continue searching God’s Word for more enlightenment.”
 
Well I don’t know any JWs, I did speak with two women evangelizing the other day. Brief conversation, uneventful. Nevertheless they handed me their January 2013 release as we parted ways. Titled…“Should You Fear the End of the World?”

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For as long as I’ve known Jehovah’s Witnesses, they have been forthcoming about changes to their teaching and practice over the years. They continue to see themselves as Bible students, and who live and learn with increased study and experience.
You’re missing the bigger picture. You’re probably Protestant because you don’t believe Catholicism has credibility on certain things…so how many times do the JWs have to err before you say they’ve lost credibility?

They claim they are God’s Divinely Guided Organization, which God himself established in the year 1914, and yet are making false predictions and false interpretations of the bible. They are not to be viewed as “Bible students” who have casual bible studies and enjoy learning from their mistakes. This is a full-out religious organization, teaching dangerous doctrines, luring away Catholics and Protestants, and claiming they have divine right because they’ve interpreted the Bible correctly.

From the early church onward, JWs say the Church was apostate, only re-established in 1914 because God saw some “Bible students” who had correctly interpreted his ‘codes’ in the Bible for when Jesus would return, and that when Jesus would return it would be any moment armageddon. They even pointed to the passage “this generation will not pass away” emphasizing the end was within one “generation”. Their magazines featured these things for years, and even up to this day they are still making similar claims. This is not “oops we messed up,” but rather “oops, we’ve deceived and scared millions of people into giving up their lives for full time JW work because armageddon was supposed to be anymoment”.

Now the problem is it’s been 99 years since they’ve been beating the drum that Jesus will or was supposed to arrive by now, and now “this generation” is becoming more and more figurative. Do not be deceived into labeling them naive casual “Bible Students” when they are the ones claiming not student status, but God’s official teaching status.
 
For as long as I’ve known Jehovah’s Witnesses, they have been forthcoming about changes to their teaching and practice over the years. They continue to see themselves as Bible students, and who live and learn with increased study and experience.
The problem here is that these predictions were more than just “expectations”. People sold their belongings and gave them to the “Society”. There have been numerous predictions about the end by JW’s, including 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, 1941 and 1975.

To make the analogy of a fire tower misreading a whisp of smoke is absurd. It now lets them off the hook the next time they’re wrong.

The point is this. If one would change the way they live their life if they new that the end was a certain date, then they had better change it right now. How absurd to think that we need to post watchers in a tower, so to speak, to tell us that the end is near so that we can know when to change our lives. We had better be living our lives as if this was the last day, because someday we’ll be right. We have no need of a date certain, in fact the only thing we really know is that we can’t know. Jesus told us that he didn’t even know so why do these folks think they can outshine Jesus and give us a date? 🤷
 
These definitely were more than just expectations. I was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness, and the end coming SOON was the main message. We “knew” what the rest of the world did not, that the end was coming soon, and we had to save lives by preaching. Any planning for a long duration in this “old system of things” was frowned upon. The teaching was (supposedly) from God’s only organization on earth, by means of the Holy Spirit, to question it openly was not allowed. This teaching was supposedly rock solid. The end would come, without a doubt, before the generation of 1914 passed away. They have a huge problem with their entire belief system and have not been handling it well. They have lost direction.
 
These definitely were more than just expectations. I was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness, and the end coming SOON was the main message. We “knew” what the rest of the world did not, that the end was coming soon, and we had to save lives by preaching. Any planning for a long duration in this “old system of things” was frowned upon. The teaching was (supposedly) from God’s only organization on earth, by means of the Holy Spirit, to question it openly was not allowed. This teaching was supposedly rock solid. The end would come, without a doubt, before the generation of 1914 passed away. They have a huge problem with their entire belief system and have not been handling it well. They have lost direction.
Thanks Winston. Where are you in your spritual life at this point?
 
Thanks Winston. Where are you in your spritual life at this point?
Learning all I can about Catholicism and liking it very much and feeling drawn to it. Reading books, listening to Catholic Answers, watching EWTN, etc. What JW’s taught me about Catholics was seriously incorrect. The Jehovah’s Witness practice of disfellowshipping has me paralyzed though. One cannot just leave JWs. If they find out you’ve become Catholic, you’re kicked out. My elderly parents are JWs and would be badly hurt. Not allowed to speak with me, etc. I’ve been praying, building up the strength to see a local priest. I feel like my cross has been set before me and I am struggling to find the faith and strength to pick it up.
 
You’re missing the bigger picture.
You’re probably right. I wasn’t even looking at any picture other than reacting to the word “huge” in the OP, as if their admitting to mistakes and revising their teachings is something brand new. Members of that church over just the last 10 years or so that I’ve had much contact with them have been very forthcoming about not seeing their organization as having everything right and telling me about changes that had been made over their sometimes 50-60 years in the church.

One thing I didn’t know was what Winston wrote, “My elderly parents are JWs and would be badly hurt. Not allowed to speak with me, etc.” That’s a very sad situation and not something that came up in the “What Does the Bible Really Teach” book.
 
Is it possible the Watchtower Society has been infiltrated by extremists? It is very odd for them to admit publicly about wrong expectations, especially about the end. This published admission is going to make the work of door-to-door preaching more difficult. Their people will now have to explain to those they meet at the doors as to what specific wrong expectations are now referred to. Further explanation will now be necessary to determine what else God’s sole channel on earth has been wrong about.
 
Learning all I can about Catholicism and liking it very much and feeling drawn to it. Reading books, listening to Catholic Answers, watching EWTN, etc. What JW’s taught me about Catholics was seriously incorrect. The Jehovah’s Witness practice of disfellowshipping has me paralyzed though. One cannot just leave JWs. If they find out you’ve become Catholic, you’re kicked out. My elderly parents are JWs and would be badly hurt. Not allowed to speak with me, etc. I’ve been praying, building up the strength to see a local priest. I feel like my cross has been set before me and I am struggling to find the faith and strength to pick it up.
Well first of all, you are in my prayers. The practice of disfellowshipping is a strong motive not to stray. One’s entire life is turned upside down. However, we have a God who can do all things; a God who draws all to truth. There is no hurdle that he cannot overcome. If one is genuinely seeking Truth the Lord will lead you there. You may be asked to suffer, to take up your cross, but you will not be carrying it alone. How much is the reward of eternal life with God worth? I know this can’t be easy for you and I certainly don’t want to minimize the struggle you face. I will pray for courage for you to remain on course and wisdom and love for you in dealing with your family and friends.

God bless you.
 
Learning all I can about Catholicism and liking it very much and feeling drawn to it. Reading books, listening to Catholic Answers, watching EWTN, etc. What JW’s taught me about Catholics was seriously incorrect. The Jehovah’s Witness practice of disfellowshipping has me paralyzed though. One cannot just leave JWs. If they find out you’ve become Catholic, you’re kicked out. My elderly parents are JWs and would be badly hurt. Not allowed to speak with me, etc. I’ve been praying, building up the strength to see a local priest. I feel like my cross has been set before me and I am struggling to find the faith and strength to pick it up.
Winston,

I’ll say a prayer for you as well. God wants all his children to be saved…in heaven…with him forever.

Suggest if I may ( and there are a lot of great suggestions and you are already well on your way in learning about Catholicism) :
  • buy…the “Catholicism for Dummies” and the “Catholic Mass for Dummies” books (u not a dummy…they were written by two priests). Easy to read format…
  • do contact a local priest…they will welcome you with open arms…they became priests in part, to welcome and bring to faith people just like you
  • buy and listen to the Catechism on audiobook referenced in my signature
  • you can also read the Catechism itself available for free on line
  • having a Catholic bible with a good commentary would be great. I recommend the St Ignatius Study Bible for both the translation and extensive commentary. It only includes the NT…the OT is a work in progress and is available for free on line.
Continue to learn and continue to ask questions.

Pork
 
The Watchtower Society and Jehovah’s Witnesses have declared they have long outgrown their early identity (as it was throughout, and up to, nearly the first half of the 20th century) as the “Bible students” or the “International Bible Students Association”. Outgrowth changes they declare as having occurred to them have been formally proclaimed to the faithful from the platform at large gathering annual conventions held in the United States. Cedar Point, Ohio, comes to mind as one such convention city where announcements have been made in accord with light to them having gotten brighter and brighter, they have said. Their historical pattern of advanced light and growth to them from God is always seen to be dated by the year, alone, the advanced enlightenment occurred. The month of the year, the day, or the hour of the day, or to whom among them the light occurred, have never been open to discussion. Should anyone among their faithful rank and file become meticulous and voice their reasoning of the new light with questions to fellow brothers and sisters, such behaviour is not tolerated and quickly becomes known as “evil servant” meddling subject to judgment and disfellowshipping. The point I make here is that of their consistent pattern of truths and half truths integrated with often misleading and even false proclamations. Such a pattern is not unique to them, however. Clearly, other religious bodies carry on the same rigs, to lesser or greater degrees. Integration of truths and half truths reminds me of Jesus’ parable of the wheat and tares (weeds) mixed together at the root and growing up together awaiting the time of harvest. Many have been the victims among the innocent and innocuous who have asked too many questions without first having given thought to consequences. The act of putting the lid onto someone’s mind is, itself, nevertheless, a sign of evil fruitage. Understandably, Christians should expect, and be on the lookout for, hidden destructive forces. Satan keeps transforming himself into angels of light, and the whole world is under the control of the evil one. There is every reason to be suspect and to openly ask questions, but have on the complete suite of spiritual armour before doing so, to avoid being hurt. First, study the Scriptures for yourself. Think “seven times” about religious organizations, after that. Bearing up though, while under trial and being hurt, is also a learning experience and a sign of better things to come for you.
 
throught this all nobody seems to realise the old light and new ligth have came from the same source. the watchtower.
 
throught this all nobody seems to realise the old light and new ligth have came from the same source. the watchtower.
You bring up a very good point in all of this. I know several JW’s, and if you are on the inside or know people on the inside, you would know that they refer to themselves as those “in the truth.” When they discuss things, they will say something along the lines of “I’ve been in truth for X years;” referring to how long they have been a baptized JW.

Now every single demonination/religion believes they are in the truth of course, why else would it’s members be there unless they believed the things that were being taught were true? A big difference between JW’s and most other religions though, is that they actually have a body of individuals (Governing Body) who determine doctrine, and this is their authority.

This article, which is written/approved by the Governing Body, is their first real honest admission that they did predict that Armageddon would come on particular dates, and they were wrong. There is plenty of literature of theirs that state that “Jehovah God is using the Jehovah Witness religion,” that they are Gods true organization on earth. So God Almighty was using them since they alone taught the truth on God, and they show this by false predicting the end of the world, several times…

So the next time a JW comes to your door, you can present this article to them. Then you can ask the question, “how many times were the Old Testament Prophets who were inspired and used by Yahweh God wrong?” When they answer zero, you can agree and let them know you will pray for them as you politely ask them to leave.
 
Now every single demonination/religion believes they are in the truth of course, why else would it’s members be there unless they believed the things that were being taught were true? A big difference between JW’s and most other religions though, is that they actually have a body of individuals (Governing Body) who determine doctrine, and this is their authority.
Your points brought forward here are very sound, measured by my own experience and that of certain others of my family members, my mom, in particular. Her maltreatment to death is a whole other story. An account screaming to be told and I want to share at a later time. There is a great deal to be said and a great deal of learning to be had and understood in connection with self-proclamations of Jehovah’s people, the exclusive purveyors, they say, in the world of all that is truthful. My own experience with them tells me that they have, oddly, with their definitive proclamations of themselves, performed a very useful service to actual seekers of what is true: That is to say that, by their rigs, they have made it easier to see the stark contrast between what is false and what is true. In a very strange way, they sacrifice themselves. They have put their own necks on the block, so to speak. Now, in saying that, this is not meant to give them any kind of special credit any more so than a seeker of truth would recognize exists within any other Christian organization in the world today, all of them, as they now perform, headed by the Roman Catholic Church, the first world-wide entity in confessional representation of Christ. Jehovah’s people, as such today, are late comers on the block. In order to get a full sense of where I am going with this discussion, there is soooo, soooo, much more ground that must be covered, and not enough space here for that. Sufficient to say here, for now, is **careful reference **to the final Revelation’s seven symbolic letters **written to all **who claim to represent the everlasting good news, handed down by the LORD of lords, himself.
 
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