Human sacrifice in islam?

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cestusdei said:
I seem to read that I condemned it. Now let’s see you condemn hamas and hezbullah. And the killing of these 2 children. If you don’t then you should abandon the thread.
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I condemn the killing of these two children, and all acts of terror.

Now, I have it bolded above: you denied it, you said it never happened. Notice that this is what you accuse Muslims of doing.

Your next step was to say “He didn’t prevent it, it would’ve happened anyway” in order to make an excuse for it.

Come on cestus, do what you always demand from the Muslims: Admit that Catholic Priests have killed more people than Osama Bin Laden. Isn’t it the truth?
 
If you aren’t typing a direct condemnation of those groups don’t bother typing anything at all. Hamas and hezbullah are terrorists so condemn them by name.

I looked back. The story said he ordered it and helped. He didn’t kill them all by himself which is what you claimed. You read more into it then was there. It also pointed out that many more priests died trying to help their people. You conveniently left that out. Then I condemned it and pointed out that as a canon lawyer one of my jobs is to try priests. So the idea that I won’t condemn them is absurd.

Now back to the real point of the thread. Why is islam so much into human sacrifice? Why do you worship those who blow themselves and others up? Why won’t you condemn these groups by name?
 
One of our local boys has just returned from Iraq. He lost a good friend there as a result of a terrorist booby trap. His squad heard a child frantically screaming in an alley and ran to render aid. The moslem terrorists had rigged the child with explosives and had then broken his legs, knowing that when our soldiers heard a child screaming, they would rush to help. When our soldiers tried to help the kid, these moslem dogs detonated the explosives, killing and wounding our troops. Do you condemn this, Pro_universal? Or are you no better than these animals? Is it any wonder that decent people are disgusted by moslems?
 
An act of pure evil but I don’t think you’e being fair in assuming that all Muslims are like this. I think it is possible to be a Muslim and a decent person.
 
ChristIsTheWay said:
An act of pure evil but I don’t think you’e being fair in assuming that all Muslims are like this. I think it is possible to be a Muslim and a decent person.
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It is possible to be a Satanist AND a good person on some level but that does not make it right.
WP
 
Really, it’s threads like these that make me genuinely scared of Christians…
 
At least this outrage happened in a country far away in the middle of a warzone. When you get people living next door who seem to think the world would be a better place with you dead it hits closer to home (literally).
 
Kadaveri said:
At least this outrage happened in a country far away in the middle of a warzone. When you get people living next door who seem to think the world would be a better place with you dead it hits closer to home (literally).
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There’s the difference between Islam and Christianity. Christians want you to convert if you’re not Christian. Mulims would rather you were dead if you’re not Muslim. If you can’t see that, you’re not paying attention.
 
I do blame the muslims. They don’t condemn these terrorist acts or do anything about them. If you are critical they try to say you are an islamaphobe. I haven’t seen them face up to their problems. They just blame others.

Kadaveri, no need to fear. Christians don’t employ suicide bombers. Watch the Pearl beheading. They cut his head off slow while shouting Allah akbar. That is human sacrifice. Face your problems.
 
I would remind those posting on this thread who have expressed outrage at the readiness of the terrorists to murder children, that Abraham was ready to sacrifice his son Isaac when he thought that was what God wanted him to do. Not only was he not punished, but Abraham was praised for his steadfast and unwavering faith in the Lord. I don’t point this out because I want to equate Abraham with terrorists; I just notice that we in our religion have precedent for sacrificing children(as Jephtha did with his daughter), and that the readiness to do so has been lauded.
 
Jason_Hurd said:
I would remind those posting on this thread who have expressed outrage at the readiness of the terrorists to murder children, that Abraham was ready to sacrifice his son Isaac when he thought that was what God wanted him to do. Not only was he not punished, but Abraham was praised for his steadfast and unwavering faith in the Lord. I don’t point this out because I want to equate Abraham with terrorists; I just notice that we in our religion have precedent for sacrificing children(as Jephtha did with his daughter), and that the readiness to do so has been lauded.
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The precedent you are referring to is for NOT sacrificing children. One of the main points of the story I would think. So there may be precedent, if you go back sometime before Abraham. I think we can agree that it’s been a while.

As for Abraham only being praised, I’ve always found it interesting that: a. There is no further recorded instance in Torah of Sarah speaking to Abraham after the binding. It looks as if from that day to the day of her death she never said a word to him. and b. if I’m not mistaken, we don’t see Isaac saying another word to Abraham. Isaac takes no part in finding his wife. ANd it is God, not Abraham, who bestows the blessing on Isaac. GOd becomes a surrogate father. So it seems to me that, at the least, Abraham’s actions took a heavy toll on his family life.
 
Valke2 said:
The precedent you are referring to is for NOT sacrificing children. One of the main points of the story I would think. So there may be precedent, if you go back sometime before Abraham. I think we can agree that it’s been a while.

As for Abraham only being praised, I’ve always found it interesting that: a. There is no further recorded instance in Torah of Sarah speaking to Abraham after the binding. It looks as if from that day to the day of her death she never said a word to him. and b. if I’m not mistaken, we don’t see Isaac saying another word to Abraham. Isaac takes no part in finding his wife. ANd it is God, not Abraham, who bestows the blessing on Isaac. GOd becomes a surrogate father. So it seems to me that, at the least, Abraham’s actions took a heavy toll on his family life.
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The point of the Abraham and Isaac story is not the toll it allegedly took on his family; it is the father’s obedience to what he thought was God’s will. I’ve no doubt that some of these Islamic terrorists, many of whom are impressionable young men being used as pawns by unscrupulous and power-mad ‘religious’ leaders, believe that they, too are obeying a divine decree. Again, it is not to excuse their actions, but to point out that child sacrifice is not unknown in our own religion; I again point to the story of Jephtha in the book of Judges.
 
Jason_Hurd said:
The point of the Abraham and Isaac story is not the toll it allegedly took on his family; it is the father’s obedience to what he thought was God’s will. I’ve no doubt that some of these Islamic terrorists, many of whom are impressionable young men being used as pawns by unscrupulous and power-mad ‘religious’ leaders, believe that they, too are obeying a divine decree. Again, it is not to excuse their actions, but to point out that child sacrifice is not unknown in our own religion; I again point to the story of Jephtha in the book of Judges.
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Certainty is posion to religion. I’m sure there was no doubt in their minds that they were doing God’s work.
 
Jason_Hurd said:
I would remind those posting on this thread who have expressed outrage at the readiness of the terrorists to murder children, that Abraham was ready to sacrifice his son Isaac when he thought that was what God wanted him to do. Not only was he not punished, but Abraham was praised for his steadfast and unwavering faith in the Lord. I don’t point this out because I want to equate Abraham with terrorists; I just notice that we in our religion have precedent for sacrificing children(as Jephtha did with his daughter), and that the readiness to do so has been lauded.
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Not that this will help the arguement at all, but…

Abraham sacrificing his son, in this context, is misunderstood.

In Genesis, God makes a promise to Abraham that he will have a multitude of decendents, by Issac.

When he and Sarah heard this they laughed, but we all know what happened.

Knowing this, later, when Abraham was tested by God, he knew he was not going to kill Issac, because God keeps his promises and how could he kill Issac and still have decendants?

Gen: 22: … “The boy and I will go over there to worship and then we will come back to you”.

“We” is the key word there, he knew they were both coming back.

The days of child sacrifices were essentially over.
 
Mr.Bee said:
Not that this will help the arguement at all, but…

Abraham sacrificing his son, in this context, is misunderstood.

In Genesis, God makes a promise to Abraham that he will have a multitude of decendents, by Issac.

When he and Sarah heard this they laughed, but we all know what happened.

Knowing this, later, when Abraham was tested by God, he knew he was not going to kill Issac, because God keeps his promises and how could he kill Issac and still have decendants?

Gen: 22: … “The boy and I will go over there to worship and then we will come back to you”.

“We” is the key word there, he knew they were both coming back.

The days of child sacrifices were essentially over.
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I don’t recall Abraham laughing.
 
pro_universal said:
, but Muslims besides Osama bin Laden all say that he was a peaceful and fair person
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However if we look at the acknowledged historical sources (sources accepted by Muslim sources) we see a completely different picture. We see a violent man, who raided caravans, had people assassinated, had a low opinion of women or “right hand possessions” etc etc.
So what’s the problem, objective historians’ or Muslims’ view of Mohammed?
 
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