Human sacrifice in islam?

[mgupta]

Really, it’s threads like these that make me genuinely scared of Christians…

I’m Christian and sadly I agree with you.

 

[Shoshana]

I do blame the muslims. Watch the Pearl beheading. They cut his head off slow while shouting Allah akbar. .

:crying:

 

[jonfan]

In India the Hindu’s are now attacking Christians. The Buddhists have as well. Take your blinders off.

And why are they doing that. Could it be because Christians are over there trying to convert them to the “true way”

no.

 

[Mr.Bee]

Oh, Hey hamba!! Nice to see you again.

How on earth do you know that he knew the reason for God’s command??.

I don’t know, call it a gut feeling.

The God I know doesn’t play mind games, Abraham knew this as well. I just think Abraham knew the answer to the test before he took it.

This very real possibility does not trouble you?.

Yes, it troubles me.

The creations should leave all the reasoning to their Creator.

I trust the creator, so I have nothing to fear.

 

[jack_hawkins]

Your citation to Bukhari does not exist. “No 3012” isn’t in any of the collections I can find.

Ibn Ishaq…which writing of his was that from? Where did you get the direct citation to his books?

the source of the citation is immaterial as you are well aware - a citation is a citation
I could produce further citations, that is not a problem
the fact you claim not to be able to find something is not relevant
the fact you claim not to be able to find such a citation when it is readily found on tinternet further adds to your reputation for deceit:one source (not the source for my citation BTW)and another
the Ibn Ishaq citation - “The Life of Muhammad” I believe

 

[cestusdei]

In India the Hindu’s are now attacking Christians. The Buddhists have as well. Take your blinders off.

And why are they doing that. Could it be because Christians are over there trying to convert them to the “true way”

We have Hindu’s in the US trying to convert people. It’s called “freedom of religion.” It is highly recommended.

 

[cestusdei]

“The creations should leave all reasoning to the creator.” Hmmm…Regensburg was right on the money when it comes to the relationship of reason and faith in islam. As the author of the thread I would like to get back to the main theme: Why do muslims practice defacto human sacrifice?

 

[Valke2]

You see, that is a loaded question.

My point is, Abraham knew the reason for God’s command, therefore he obeyed.

If God asked me to kill my child without explanation, then I would disobey. I guess I’m going to hell then.

But I believe God would not ask an unreasonable demand.

How could Abraham have known GOd’s reason? I"m not sure I know it.

 

[pro_universal]

the source of the citation is immaterial as you are well aware - a citation is a citation
I could produce further citations, that is not a problem
the fact you claim not to be able to find something is not relevant
the fact you claim not to be able to find such a citation when it is readily found on tinternet further adds to your reputation for deceit:one source (not the source for my citation BTW)and another
the Ibn Ishaq citation - “The Life of Muhammad” I believe

American Thinker and Faithfreedom are not Muslim texts.

The citation doesn’t exist-they’re wrong.

Just like I said though, you’re not reading Muslims sources.

 

[Mr.Bee]

How could Abraham have known GOd’s reason? I"m not sure I know it.

I don’t care if you know it. But to me, apparently Abraham seemed to know something we don’t.

cestusdei is correct however, we have digressed.

So maybe all this commanding from God to sacrifice children is vastly misunderstood, and some (I wont say who) use it as an excuse.

 

[ChristIsTheWay]

It is possible to be a Satanist AND a good person on some level but that does not make it right.
WP

What an ignorant statement. The Catechism doesn’t tell us that Satanists worship the same God as we do. It says so about the Muslims. And unlike the Satanists, the Catechism tells us that Muslims can attain salvation. You’re way off base with your comment.

Really, it’s threads like these that make me genuinely scared of Christians…

I understand your fear. Dehumanizing people occurs in steps and we are dangerously close to the first step of doing that.

At least this outrage happened in a country far away in the middle of a warzone. When you get people living next door who seem to think the world would be a better place with you dead it hits closer to home (literally).

I ran into one fellow who wanted me and other orthodox Catholics dead so that the Catholic Church can become a tolerant, open religion, in his words. The mindset of all bigots is sickening.

There’s the difference between Islam and Christianity. Christians want you to convert if you’re not Christian. Mulims would rather you were dead if you’re not Muslim. If you can’t see that, you’re not paying attention.

If 1.2 billion Muslims wanted us dead or converted, we’d have more then the limited fighting we’ve experienced.

I do blame the muslims. They don’t condemn these terrorist acts or do anything about them. If you are critical they try to say you are an islamaphobe. I haven’t seen them face up to their problems. They just blame others.

If I remember correctly, every major American Muslim group has condemned terror. I also recall some Muslim leaders issuing fatwas against terror.

 

[cestusdei]

You are incorrect. Every muslim group has pretended to condemn terror. When you ask them to condemn hamas and hezbullah suddenly they go mute or claim that isn’t terror. Groups like CAIR in fact have had top officials that have been arrested for supporting terrorism. They are like the German Bund during WWII. They say, "oh 911 was bad, BUT you deserved it. My contention is that in islam we have a resurrection of human sacrifice. They ritually slaughter people while praying to Allah as an offering to him. Worse yet muslims do not condemn this or show any horror of it. Why do muslims not face up to this?

 

[ChristIsTheWay]

You are incorrect. Every muslim group has pretended to condemn terror.

Oh, I see. They only pretend to condemn terror. Do you have proof of this claim?

When you ask them to condemn hamas and hezbullah suddenly they go mute or claim that isn’t terror.

Do you have any press releases or other proof of this claim?

Groups like CAIR in fact have had top officials that have been arrested for supporting terrorism.

I’ve heard about that. Have they been convicted yet?

They are like the German Bund during WWII. They say, "oh 911 was bad, BUT you deserved it.

I’ve never heard a major Muslim group in America say that. Please provide proof.

My contention is that in islam we have a resurrection of human sacrifice. They ritually slaughter people while praying to Allah as an offering to him.

Was Catholicism resurrecting human sacrifice when the IRA committed terrorist actions in Northern Ireland? Of course not and to say the same about Islam because of jihadists is equally ignorant.

Worse yet muslims do not condemn this or show any horror of it. Why do muslims not face up to this?

Well, when you claim their condemnations are pretend, I think you already have your answer.

 

[hamba2han]

Islam means submission to the will of the Creator.

Prophet Abraham (pbuh) believed in the oneness and supremeness of his Creator and he did indeed submit to His will and therefore this makes him a follower of Islam i.e. a Muslim.

He neither questioned nor hesitated when commanded by his Creator to sacrifice his son and like I mentioned, this was a test of obedience to the Creator and ultimately of course a test of faith as well because it measured just how far he placed his faith in the infinite wisdom of his Creator to decide on what is best for him as the creation.

Those who say that they themselves would not obey this command are in fact saying that their faith in the wisdom of their Creator is severely limited by their own sense of reasoning when deciding on what is best for themselves.

 

[Valke2]

Islam means submission to the will of the Creator.

Prophet Abraham (pbuh) believed in the oneness and supremeness of his Creator and he did indeed submit to His will and therefore this makes him a follower of Islam i.e. a Muslim.

He neither questioned nor hesitated when commanded by his Creator to sacrifice his son and like I mentioned, this was a test of obedience to the Creator and ultimately of course a test of faith as well because it measured just how far he placed his faith in the infinite wisdom of his Creator to decide on what is best for him as the creation.

Those who say that they themselves would not obey this command are in fact saying that their faith in the wisdom of their Creator is severely limited by their own sense of reasoning when deciding on what is best for themselves.

Perhaps the lessnn of Abraham is that, if you hear God telling you to do something that sounds like murder, go talk to your wife or friends first. Maybe Abraham’s immediate obedience was not such a great thing.

In any event, your post makes it sound like you are advocating terrorism or child sacrifice based on the story of Abraham. The people who flew planes into our buildings believed they were doing God’s work. They had no doubt and sacrificed their lives. Does this make their actions holy?

 

[jack_hawkins]

American Thinker and Faithfreedom are not Muslim texts.

The citation doesn’t exist-they’re wrong.

Just like I said though, you’re not reading Muslims sources.

I found the citation about the raids on the Quraysh no problem - if you have looked at the links properly you will see the references there. Do you deny this is from the Bukhari haidths?
"The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa’ or Wadddan, and was asked whether it was premissible to attack Al-Mushrikun warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied “They are from them”

I take it you will deny this quote exists and refers to caravan raids now???

I think you have a porblem comprehending that the citations are of Muslim sources but the source of the citations isn’t? Is that difficult to grasp?

 

[jack_hawkins]

If I remember correctly, every major American Muslim group has condemned terror. I also recall some Muslim leaders issuing fatwas against terror

In the UK, no major Muslim group has unreservedly condemed Islamist terrorists.
The chairman of Birmingham Central Mosque has said on record that al-Qaeda doesn’t exist, it’s an invention of the CIA, and when there were recent terror arrests eg after the 21/7 bombings they were arrested purely for being Muslims. In that mosque videos glorifying 9/11 were being sold in the carpark, and extremist literature was being distributed.

 

[sandmountainsli]

In the UK, no major Muslim group has unreservedly condemed Islamist terrorists.
The chairman of Birmingham Central Mosque has said on record that al-Qaeda doesn’t exist, it’s an invention of the CIA, and when there were recent terror arrests eg after the 21/7 bombings they were arrested purely for being Muslims. In that mosque videos glorifying 9/11 were being sold in the carpark, and extremist literature was being distributed.

Some of the Mullah’s claim the “Islamic Republic Of England” is only a couple decades away
WP

 

[jack_hawkins]

Some of the Mullah’s claim the “Islamic Republic Of England” is only a couple decades away
WP

just the thing to get people voting for the BNP!
Sadly Muslims only want to dominate - it seems incompatible with Islam to integrate and co-exist as equals.

 

[jimmy]

We want to end terrorism not become a terrorist.

Islam is a great religion which is very similar to Christianity. We should respect Islam. There is no reason to “end Islam.” Firstly, I dont think it is possible and secondly it goes against what Jesus taught us.

I really dont understand how you could say this. Could you explain your reasoning for your response?

Islam goes against Jesus Christ. Islam is not a great religion, it is a horrible and violent religion. The religion is a religion of terrorism.