Human sacrifice in islam?

[sandmountainsli]

Okay, why do Mullah Muhammad Omar and Osama bin Laden speak for Islam?

How about Khomeini?

And Mehmed the second?

I see that you have your own idea about Muhammad, but Muslims besides Osama bin Laden all say that he was a peaceful and fair person. So I’d like to know why you endorse Bin Laden’s teaching as authentic, but don’t consider anyone else to be a real representative of Islam.

Where are the followers of the “Peaceful Mullah’s” ?
I see Bin Laden and Mullah Omar as the leaders of Islam because they command such allegiance from such a large number of Muslims.
Khomeini began the New Jihad in 79 and he is worshipped as a godlike figure by millions of adherants of the faith.
Mehmet II? Mongrel dog murderer who cut the unborn out of Christian women’s stomachs and made belts from their skins which he used to wear around his (STILL) occupied city.
WP

 

[Shoshana]

Khomeini began the New Jihad in 79 and he is worshipped as a godlike figure by millions of adherants of the faith.

Worshipped???

 

[pro_universal]

Where are the followers of the “Peaceful Mullah’s” ?
I see Bin Laden and Mullah Omar as the leaders of Islam because they command such allegiance from such a large number of Muslims.
Khomeini began the New Jihad in 79 and he is worshipped as a godlike figure by millions of adherants of the faith.
Mehmet II? Mongrel dog murderer who cut the unborn out of Christian women’s stomachs and made belts from their skins which he used to wear around his (STILL) occupied city.
WP

The followers are all over. Every single major Muslim organization has condemned terrorism and Bin Laden. Every last one. I defy you to find me a group that hasn’t done so.

If Bin Laden and Omar have so much allegience, how come they don’t have countries of their own? Where are all these followers? Do you have some proof as to how many people follow Omar and Bin Laden?

You’re choosing random figures from here and there, and letting them speak for Islam apparently for no good reason at all. If I applied the same method to Christianity, we would have absurd results like “Oliver Cromwell and the Holy Roman Empire are the real Christians! The rank and file Nazis too-they were all Christians! And look at the Priests who burned thousands of people in Rwanda…no outcry!”

Want to provide some documentation on the old Sultan Mehmet? That sure sounds a lot like the old blood libel stories to me. Are you sure you aren’t confusing a story about medieval Jews with a story about Muslims? They’re usually very similar…and strangely, it’s always a Christian telling the story.

 

[mgupta]

Respect Islam?
I believe Islam has made it VERY clear in the past few centuries that its only purpose is the eradication of all Christians and Jews who refuse to convert to their “worship”, just ask Daniel Pearl and the citizens of Constantinople (STILL occupied).
A Great Crusade is the only answer to their Jihad, I wish there was a more peaceful solution but alas there is none.
WP

I’m sorry, you do not make sense. How would terrorist activity on our part put a stop to radical Islamic terrorists. Maybe we should think and listen instead of kill. Killing isnt working. The war in Iraq is getting us no where and it has killed many innocent Iraqi civilians and many of our soliders. “An eye for an eye and the whole world would be blind.”
-Gandhi

Think about why Islam and Christianity are in conflict. Christianity and Islam are the first and second largest religions in the world so there is competition and also theologically they are very similiar. I think its time for Christians and Muslims to start working together to end both radical Islam and radical Christianity.

 

[ChristIsTheWay]

How does Islam endorse human sacrifice? Not all of Islam endorses suicide bombings, for that matter. And I would like to see some proof of the claims against Mehmet II.

 

[sandmountainsli]

The followers are all over. Every single major Muslim organization has condemned terrorism and Bin Laden. Every last one. I defy you to find me a group that hasn’t done so.

Your defiance is for naught!

Major Groups which have not condemned Bin Laden
Al Aksa Martyrs Brigade
Aden-Abyan Islamic Army
Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya
Ansar al-Islam
Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement
Hamas
Harakat ul-Mujahidin
Takfir wal-Hijra

 

[ChristIsTheWay]

Your defiance is for naught!

Major Groups which have not condemned Bin Laden
Al Aksa Martyrs Brigade
Aden-Abyan Islamic Army
Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya
Ansar al-Islam
Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement
Hamas
Harakat ul-Mujahidin
Takfir wal-Hijra

Aren’t those all terrorist groups? I wonder why they don’t condemn a fellow terrorist?

This is quite strange, to hear someone call for a new crusade that would plunge the world into a terrible war that would kill millions and certainly won’t wipe out Islam.

 

[sandmountainsli]

Aren’t those all terrorist groups? I wonder why they don’t condemn a fellow terrorist?

This is quite strange, to hear someone call for a new crusade that would plunge the world into a terrible war that would kill millions and certainly won’t wipe out Islam.

Urban II would be ashamed of you!
There has not been a Catholic in my family since the 1500’s yet I still am aware that he is a Hero Of The Faith.
WP

 

[ChristIsTheWay]

Urban II would be ashamed of you!
There has not been a Catholic in my family since the 1500’s yet I still am aware that he is a Hero Of The Faith.
WP

Are you being serious or just joking? I don’t know about Urban II but I think that Pope John Paul the Great and Benedict XVI would be proud that I am following Catholic teaching.

 

[pro_universal]

Your defiance is for naught!

Major Groups which have not condemned Bin Laden
Al Aksa Martyrs Brigade
Aden-Abyan Islamic Army
Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya
Ansar al-Islam
Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement
Hamas
Harakat ul-Mujahidin
Takfir wal-Hijra

Your haphazard attempt to name some terrorist groups really demonstrates how seriously you take this.

The groups you named either ARE Bin Ladenite groups, or have condemned bin laden. Seriously, naming cohorts of bin laden as “Muslims who haven’t condemned terrorism” is like naming members of the IRA to identify “Catholics who support terrorism.”

As for your list, here it goes:

Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades is the armed wing of Fatah; here’s what Fatah has to say about terrorism:

voanews.com/uspolicy/archive/2003-06/a-2003-06-04-2-1.cfm

The suicide bombing, said Mr. Abbas, “contradicts our moral values and tradition and only feeds into the hatred of the two peoples.”

Hamas on this subject:

64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:CGthRHMdTQcJ:www.e-prism.org/images/PRISM_Special_dispatch_no_3-2.pdf+Hamas+condemnation+%2BSeptember+11th&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=safari

Condemnation of the Khobar Attack
In 30 May 2004, Hamas published on its official web site the following press
release:

A senior source in the Hamas movement stated as follows:
The Islamic Resistance Movement Hamas declares its severe condemnation and sorrow for the criminal attack that occurred yesterday night in one of the complex of buildings in the town of Khobar in the brother kingdom of Saudi Arabia, which caused the death of dozens of civilians and innocent people. While we reject this kind of attacks, we wish to emphasize that they harm the security and peace of our countries, and the national and Islamic interests.
Therefore, we call those responsible for these attacks to stop them, and preserve the interests and security of their country and nation, especially while our nation is facing external threats and challenges.
The information office
Sunday, 11 Rabi` al-Thani 1425
May 30th, 2004

There’s also an obscure Chinese separatist group on your list-what on earth does that have to do with global terrorism or Bin Laden?

Seriously, you pick the most random organizations for that list, list bin laden’s groups by different names, and then list two organizations that have condemned terrorism…and you expect someone to take that seriously?

You’ve got a really skewed perception of reality if that’s the case. Why don’t you try picking a group that actually has a following, ie, the Muslim Brotherhood? Or someone besides Bin Laden himself?

 

[cestusdei]

Of course Muslims have a responsibility to renounce terrorism, but we as Christians should do our part as well. We need to stand up for relgious tolerance. We need to stop saying that we are completely right and they are completely wrong. We have so much in common with Muslims. We need to stand up for peace like Jesus did. We could also learn a lot from eastern religions such as Hinduism, Jainism, and Buddhism. They are inclusive, tolerant, and peaceful.

We are tolerant. Freedom of religion is part of our Constitution. We are completely right and the islamic terrorists are completely wrong. If you can’t say that then you are simply blind. We like peace, but they like fighting and have attacked us since Muhammeds time. In India the Hindu’s are now attacking Christians. The Buddhists have as well. Take your blinders off.

 

[cestusdei]

The followers are all over. Every single major Muslim organization has condemned terrorism and Bin Laden. Every last one. I defy you to find me a group that hasn’t done so.

If Bin Laden and Omar have so much allegience, how come they don’t have countries of their own? Where are all these followers? Do you have some proof as to how many people follow Omar and Bin Laden?

You’re choosing random figures from here and there, and letting them speak for Islam apparently for no good reason at all. If I applied the same method to Christianity, we would have absurd results like “Oliver Cromwell and the Holy Roman Empire are the real Christians! The rank and file Nazis too-they were all Christians! And look at the Priests who burned thousands of people in Rwanda…no outcry!”

Want to provide some documentation on the old Sultan Mehmet? That sure sounds a lot like the old blood libel stories to me. Are you sure you aren’t confusing a story about medieval Jews with a story about Muslims? They’re usually very similar…and strangely, it’s always a Christian telling the story.

That is false. You won’t condemn Hamas and Hezbullah. They are terrorists. Muslims always have an escape clause when the “condemn” terrorism. Islam has always been an aggressive religion, Mehmet is just one example. Constantinople was sacked and raped by muslims. In Rome back in the 8th century St. Peter’s was gutted by muslims. No priest burned thousands in Rwanda. The Nazi’s were pagans and the muslims were on their side. Face up to what your religion is and has done. This thread is about 2 children blown up on purpose by your co-religionists in a terrorist attack on us. I haven’t seen muslims up in arms about it. Oh, but draw a picture they don’t like and suddenly thousands are in the streets rioting.

 

[pro_universal]

That is false. You won’t condemn Hamas and Hezbullah. They are terrorists.

Both groups specifically condemned the 9/11 attacks.

Muslims always have an escape clause when the “condemn” terrorism. Islam has always been an aggressive religion, Mehmet is just one example. Constantinople was sacked and raped by muslims. In Rome back in the 8th century St. Peter’s was gutted by muslims. No priest burned thousands in Rwanda. The Nazi’s were pagans and the muslims were on their side. Face up to what your religion is and has done. This thread is about 2 children blown up on purpose by your co-religionists in a terrorist attack on us. I haven’t seen muslims up in arms about it. Oh, but draw a picture they don’t like and suddenly thousands are in the streets rioting.

What!? No priest burned thousands in Rwanda?

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0607145.htm

A United Nations war crimes court sentenced a priest to 15 years in prison for ordering militias to set fire to his church and bulldoze it, killing the 2,000 Tutsis who had sought safety inside during the 1994 Rwandan genocide.

Where was your condemnation Cestusdei? You didn’t even say a word about the massacres by a fellow priest!?

Does your silence prove that you support genocide in Rwanda?

 

[pro_universal]

We are tolerant. Freedom of religion is part of our Constitution. We are completely right and the islamic terrorists are completely wrong. If you can’t say that then you are simply blind. We like peace, but they like fighting and have attacked us since Muhammeds time. In India the Hindu’s are now attacking Christians. The Buddhists have as well. Take your blinders off.

I guess we should just forget about all the attacks by Christians on others.

 

[cestusdei]

Both groups specifically condemned the 9/11 attacks.

I saw them dancing in the streets handing out candy. Both groups have committed numerous terrorist attacks. You have never condemned them.

What!? No priest burned thousands in Rwanda?

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0607145.htm

Where was your condemnation Cestusdei? You didn’t even say a word about the massacres by a fellow priest!?

Does your silence prove that you support genocide in Rwanda?

He apparently did not object to it, although he could not have stopped it even if he had wanted to. Notice he was tried and convicted. And yes the Church did condemn it. In fact the EU allowed this to happen due to their own weakness. At the time I supported intervention. However, the US intervened in Somalia and Clinton had run from there. He was not interested in any more nation building in Africa. That’s where weakness gets you. The lesson was not lost on bin Laden.

The silence I hear is you on Hamas and Hezbullah.

 

[cestusdei]

I guess we should just forget about all the attacks by Christians on others.

A muslim is safer here then I am in Saudi Arabia. Care to join me at a public Mass there?

 

[pro_universal]

He apparently did not object to it, although he could not have stopped it even if he had wanted to. Notice he was tried and convicted. And yes the Church did condemn it. In fact the EU allowed this to happen due to their own weakness. At the time I supported intervention. However, the US intervened in Somalia and Clinton had run from there. He was not interested in any more nation building in Africa. That’s where weakness gets you. The lesson was not lost on bin Laden.

The silence I hear is you on Hamas and Hezbullah.

What!?

The article is explicit: He ordered the killing to happen.

Dozens of Priests and Nuns were involved in the Rwanda genocide. This is well documented by the UN, by the Church news service, and by all the major media outlets.

Come on! Where’s your condemnation? Priests in Rwanda have killed more people than Osama bin Laden! And all you have are excuses! Instead of taking responsibility, you just shrug and say “oh, it was going to happen anyway…>!”"

What a double standard. You are a biblical hypocrite, plain and simple.

 

[cestusdei]

Where are those people now? They are in jail. If convicted they go to prison. The Church does condemn them and what they did. I have no problem condemning a priest who commits such a crime. In fact it is part of my job to put them on trial. We actually punish them.

What happens to muslims who commit terrorist attacks? They are shahids! They get 70 virgins. They are lionized. Muslims virtually worship them. Bin Laden is the most popular muslim in the world. His picture is revered. In Indonesia some muslims who beheaded some Christian girls got off with a 14 year sentence. Others get off completely.

You are the hypocrite. I post this about 2 children being killed and you don’t say one WORD in condemnation. Hamas and Huzbullah receive no condemnation. You can’t. Muslims can’t condemn other muslims no matter what.

 

[pro_universal]

Where are those people now? They are in jail. If convicted they go to prison. The Church does condemn them and what they did. I have no problem condemning a priest who commits such a crime. In fact it is part of my job to put them on trial. We actually punish them.

1. Face it-You’re not a Priest
2. instead of condemning them, you tried to make excuses first. You said “oh, he just didn’t resist…”

Why the excuse making? isn’t that exactly what you accuse Muslims of doing?

Bin Laden is the most popular muslim in the world. His picture is revered. In Indonesia some muslims who beheaded some Christian girls got off with a 14 year sentence. Others get off completely.

Okay, the Priest got 15 years for killing two thousand people. The Indonesians got 14 years for killing 3. Which country imposed the harsher sentence?

Please provide some evidence of Bin Laden’s popularity. Survey?

You are the hypocrite. I post this about 2 children being killed and you don’t say one WORD in condemnation. Hamas and Huzbullah receive no condemnation. You can’t. Muslims can’t condemn other muslims no matter what.

Well, I posted about 2000 people being murdered by a Priest, and all you did was make excuses. You even denied it at first, but when the proof was posted, you just went straight to making excuses for genocide.

Looks like you simply cannot live up to your own standards.

 

[cestusdei]

1. Face it-You’re not a Priest
2. instead of condemning them, you tried to make excuses first. You said “oh, he just didn’t resist…”

Why the excuse making? isn’t that exactly what you accuse Muslims of doing?

In fact I try them myself. And you neglected the part of the story that points out how many priests died for their people. And that it was a CATHOLIC news agency that reports it. When do muslim news agencies report anything that might make islam look bad?

Okay, the Priest got 15 years for killing two thousand people. The Indonesians got 14 years for killing 3. Which country imposed the harsher sentence?

If he had been tried in America he would have gotten death. I think he got off to easy myself, but I was not the promoter of justice in that case.

Please provide some evidence of Bin Laden’s popularity. Survey?

No, you provide me evidence he was wrong. It’s your turn to look it up.

Well, I posted about 2000 people being murdered by a Priest, and all you did was make excuses. You even denied it at first, but when the proof was posted, you just went straight to making excuses for genocide.

Looks like you simply cannot live up to your own standards.

I seem to read that I condemned it. Now let’s see you condemn hamas and hezbullah. And the killing of these 2 children. If you don’t then you should abandon the thread.