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Louie1983
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Yes scripturecatholic is a great website, i use it frequently.
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Erich
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In fact, near the end of John’s gospel account, he commented on this truth twice, saying, “[T]ruly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book… [T]here are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written” (John 20:30; 21:25).
As did the earliest Christians:
2 Thess 2:15: “Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an** ORAL STATEMENT** or by a letter from us.”
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**Phil 4:9**: "Keep on doing what you have learned and received and **HEARD** and **SEEN IN ME**. Then the God of peace will be with you."
**1 Corinth 11:2:** "I praise you because you remember me in everything and **hold fast to the Traditions**, just as I handed them on to you."
**2 Thess 3:6**: "We instruct you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the **TRADITION** they received from us."
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Cody1611
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I worded one of my questions wrong. I believe that Mary is the Mother of Jesus, God manifest, but I don’t believe she is the Mother of God the Father. Wanted to clear that up. So do you guys believe that she is the Mother of God the Father?
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SalomeBintullah
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Nope. We believe that she is daughter of God the Father and mother of God the Son.
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adstrinity
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…And nor do we. You keep saying that Jesus is God manifest. I want to make something clear, though. You do believe that, even if Jesus had not been sent, or had not yet been sent, that wouldn’t diminish Him as God any less, that is, He was still the Second Person of the Trinity before He came to Earth. He was God, regardless, yes?
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Erich
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No. Mary is Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church
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Brendan
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But if they are seperate, they are, by definition, not ONE.
Do you believe in one God, or Three.
Note: I am willing to state that the three persons of the Godhead, are distinct persons, in that they can be referenced uniquely, but they cannot be seperate.
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Eucharisted
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God is the Trinity
The Trinity is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
Each Person is God
Each Person is distinct
Jesus is God incarnate
Jesus is the Son incarnate
Mary is the Mother of Jesus
Mary is the Mother of the Son
Hence, Mary is the Mother of God
The Trinity is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
Each Person is God
Each Person is distinct
Jesus is God incarnate
Jesus is the Son incarnate
Mary is the Mother of Jesus
Mary is the Mother of the Son
Hence, Mary is the Mother of God
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Eleve
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Here’s one problem: you’re using the King James Translation, which was fine-tuned to support the doctrines of the Church of England. In the original Greek text of that verse, there is no reference to Jesus as Mary’s firstborn son; modern translations reflect this in their wording.
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Louie1983
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Protons have mass? I didn’t even know they were Catholic!
Hahahahahaha, i like that one.
Hahahahahaha, i like that one.
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Brendan
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The term ‘brethren’ in that time meant any close relative.
For example, we see Paul meeting with James in Jerusalem.
Gal 1:18-19 (KJV)
Now there were only two Apostles named James, one was the son of Zebedee, the other was the son of Alphaeus.
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- Paul wrote error when he wrote to the Galatians
- Mary had an affair with either Zebedee or Alphaeus
- The word ‘brother’ has more than one meaning
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Cody1611
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Concerning Purgatory…
1 Corinthians 3:15 “If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.” KJV
The verse above is talking about the Judgment Seat of Christ. Noticed the Christian is saved from the fire, but his bad works are burned.
*2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences." KJV
Romans 14:10 “But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.” KJV
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Louie1983
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I was just about to bring that up also but you beat me to it.
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Cody1611
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I believe in the three in one. I was just saying that Jesus the Son is not the same as God the Father, speaking about persons. I believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one. I was referring to the separate persons of the Trinity.
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phoenix3212
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We pray to saints in the sense that we ask them to pray for us. We do that here with people on earth–people pray for each other. So too do those who are truly alive in Christ, those who have passed on and are now in heaven, able to pray for us. And so we ask them to.
You somehow inherited a belief that Catholics think Mary is mother of the Father. No. She is the Mother of Christ, and because Christ is God, she is the Mother of God. We don’t believe she created God or anything like that; in actuality, she’s a creation of God!
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phoenix3212
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See this:** "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." Matthew 12:32 KJV**
It seemingly implies that sins can be forgiven in the world to come, and a number of biblical references allude to this idea purification after death. Catholics call that Purgatory. We’ve never ruled out the possibility that such purification could be instantaneous. We just know it exists. In reality, the dogma of Purgatory is very vaguely defined, but we know it is real and that its purpose is to purify.
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Bill_Pick
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You may go to pass thread all of the questions have been answer over 100 times==Jesus Christ is our only ‘mediator’ as stated by St. Paul. Non-Catholics like to point out this verse to Catholics (out of context of course), as they mistakenly perceive that we ‘mediate’ through His mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary. Nothing could be further from the truth.
‘Mediator’, as defined by the dictionary, the first meaning, is: ‘One who works to resolve or settle differences by working with all the conflicting parties’.
The ‘conflicting parties’ in this case, are of course, GOD, and mankind. Jesus Christ did indeed act as mediator by suffering and dying for us.
The mistaken belief of non-Catholics, is of their choice of words, when they refer to the Mother of GOD. Catholics use the word, ‘Intercessor’, and not ‘Mediator’ when we speak of Blessed Mary.
‘Intercessor’, as defined by the dictionary, the first meaning, is: ‘One who entreaties in favor of another, especially one who prays or petitions to GOD in behalf of another’.
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Brendan
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But that was the whole point, the Trinity consists of Three DISTINCT persons, but not three SEPERATE persons.
Do you see the difference?
The persons of the Trinity have distinctions, we can describe them as unique persons.
But we cannot say that there are seperations within the Trinity, between the persons or otherwise. The Trinity is one, in fact it defines ONE more deeply than any earthly definition.
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Eleve
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I think that the three Persons of the Trinity are, by definition, separated to some degree. In the context that Cody used it, it makes perfect sense to use “separate” as a synonym for “distinct.”
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ricko
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Cody, one poster stated that we prayed “through” the saints. That is incorrect. As Catholics we do not HAVE to pray through anyone to get to Christ or the Father. We can pray directly to God as we always do. When we pray to the saints or Mary, we are using the ancient meaning of “pray” which means to “ask”, so we are asking someone else to pray WITH us and FOR us to God.
Praying for each other is simply part of what Christians do. As we saw, in 1 Timothy 2:1–4, Paul strongly encouraged Christians to intercede for many different things, and that passage is by no means unique in his writings. Elsewhere Paul directly asks others to pray for him (Rom. 15:30–32, Eph. 6:18–20, Col. 4:3, 1 Thess. 5:25, 2 Thess. 3:1), and he assured them that he was praying for them as well (2 Thess. 1:11). Most fundamentally, Jesus himself required us to pray for others, and not only for those who asked us to do so (Matt. 5:44).
Also, God answers in particular the prayers of the righteous. James declares: “The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects. Elijah was a man of like nature with ourselves and he prayed fervently that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain on the earth. Then he prayed again and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth its fruit” (Jas. 5:16–18). Yet those Christians in heaven are more righteous, since they have been made perfect to stand in God’s presence (Heb. 12:22-23), than anyone on earth, meaning their prayers would be even more efficacious.
Ever heard of prayer groups? Ever hear someone say “I’m going in for surgery tomorrow, pray FOR me”?
And all of us are praying for you Cody, so that you may have a better understanding of our Catholic beliefs and teachings.
Praying for each other is simply part of what Christians do. As we saw, in 1 Timothy 2:1–4, Paul strongly encouraged Christians to intercede for many different things, and that passage is by no means unique in his writings. Elsewhere Paul directly asks others to pray for him (Rom. 15:30–32, Eph. 6:18–20, Col. 4:3, 1 Thess. 5:25, 2 Thess. 3:1), and he assured them that he was praying for them as well (2 Thess. 1:11). Most fundamentally, Jesus himself required us to pray for others, and not only for those who asked us to do so (Matt. 5:44).
Also, God answers in particular the prayers of the righteous. James declares: “The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects. Elijah was a man of like nature with ourselves and he prayed fervently that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain on the earth. Then he prayed again and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth its fruit” (Jas. 5:16–18). Yet those Christians in heaven are more righteous, since they have been made perfect to stand in God’s presence (Heb. 12:22-23), than anyone on earth, meaning their prayers would be even more efficacious.
Ever heard of prayer groups? Ever hear someone say “I’m going in for surgery tomorrow, pray FOR me”?
And all of us are praying for you Cody, so that you may have a better understanding of our Catholic beliefs and teachings.
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