Hungarian Greek Catholic Church

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Yes, those Germans would probably have been the Danube Swabians who were persecuted by their own government and who settled in different places throughout Eastern Europe.

We have six Hungarian Greek-Catholic parishes up here along with Roumanian Greek-Catholics.

There were Ukrainians/Ruthenians living in “Marmarosh Orsag” who were heavily Magyarized. I will have to visit a parish and speak to the parish priest about this!

Cheers,

Alex
What an interesting topic indeed 🙂 And very complicated…Maramaros is in Transylvania which became part of Romania in 1920 but there are still different nationalities living there, mostly Greek Catholic, Roman Catholic or Reformatus (protestant)

God bless!
 
How does it work when the faithful of one Church are under the authority of another, like the Hungarians in the USA are under the Ruthenian and in Canada are under the Ukrainians?

Do the Hungarians need to follow the particular law of the Church who has authoirty over them? Do Hungarian women need to join Ruthenian convents? Do Hungarian married priests need to be cleared with Rome first, just like the Ruthenians? Does Ruthenian/Ukrainian particular law apply to Hungarians in the USA/Canada, or do they follow their own particular law? Thanks!!
 
How does it work when the faithful of one Church are under the authority of another, like the Hungarians in the USA are under the Ruthenian and in Canada are under the Ukrainians?

Do the Hungarians need to follow the particular law of the Church who has authoirty over them? Do Hungarian women need to join Ruthenian convents? Do Hungarian married priests need to be cleared with Rome first, just like the Ruthenians? Does Ruthenian/Ukrainian particular law apply to Hungarians in the USA/Canada, or do they follow their own particular law? Thanks!!
One is a member of a Church sui iuris (officially which is by through the parents or adult baptism, transfer at marriage, or a grant of transfer by the Holy See) and the laws of that church apply always (this includes rights and obligations, and how one receives the Holy Mysteries). The faithful of one Church sui iuris may officially be under the care of a hierarch or another, in which case the prescriptions of the faithful’s Church sui iuris must still be adhered to.

First the eastern Catholics follow the CCEO canon law, with any particular and territorial laws for their Church is there are any.

The Holy See for eastern Catholics is the Congregation for the Eastern Churches and includes the Patriarchs and Major Archbishops of the eastern Catholics and others.
 
From what I have read, St Stephen of Hungary’s mother was a Greek Catholic. He adopted the Roman Rite though.
 
From what I have read, St Stephen of Hungary’s mother was a Greek Catholic. He adopted the Roman Rite though.
Yes, indeed and the Crown of Hungary originated from the Kievan Caves Lavra and has Slavonic lettering on it . . .

St Stephen was only recently acknowledged as a Saint by the Orthodox Church, if I understand correctly.

Poland and Bohemia were originally evangelized by the Eastern Church and adopted the Greek Rite via Sts Cyril and Methodius.

The Czech preacher and Catholic priest Jan Hus referenced the heritage of Sts Cyril and Methodius as did others in the Hussite movement. Russian Orthodox scholars in the 19th century likewise affirmed that the Hussite movement was related to the Cyrillo-Methodian Christianity of the Apostles to the Slavs.

The Hussite movement’s emphasis on Communion in Both Kinds, scriptures and preaching in the language of the people, married priesthood etc. can be seen to reflect that heritage. We know there was a close relationship between the Hussites and the Orthodox, especially Theodore Prince Ostrozhky who copied Hussite war tactics by Jan Zhizhka and who later became a monk at Kiev and was glorified a saint.

Alex
 
Yes, indeed and the Crown of Hungary originated from the Kievan Caves Lavra and has Slavonic lettering on it . . .

St Stephen was only recently acknowledged as a Saint by the Orthodox Church, if I understand correctly.

Poland and Bohemia were originally evangelized by the Eastern Church and adopted the Greek Rite via Sts Cyril and Methodius.

The Czech preacher and Catholic priest Jan Hus referenced the heritage of Sts Cyril and Methodius as did others in the Hussite movement. Russian Orthodox scholars in the 19th century likewise affirmed that the Hussite movement was related to the Cyrillo-Methodian Christianity of the Apostles to the Slavs.

The Hussite movement’s emphasis on Communion in Both Kinds, scriptures and preaching in the language of the people, married priesthood etc. can be seen to reflect that heritage. We know there was a close relationship between the Hussites and the Orthodox, especially Theodore Prince Ostrozhky who copied Hussite war tactics by Jan Zhizhka and who later became a monk at Kiev and was glorified a saint.

Alex
The Czech tribes of Moravia helped Charlemagne destroy the Avar Empire (where Hungary is today). Mojmir and his fellow chiefs were baptized at Regensburg in modern-day Germany, but then Rostislav (850-70) who was Mojmir’s successor, feared the German influence as a threat to his personal rule so turned to Byzantium.

So the Slavs joined the eastern Church in 850 and Cyril and Methodius then came there on request of Prince Rostislav of Great Moravia in 862 (for four years) . There was a dispute over the area at this time because the Archbishop of Salzburg (and other western Bishops) had previously evangalized the western areas of Great Moravia since the time of Charlemagne (reigned 768–814).
 
What parts of Hungary do Hungarian Greek Catholics live in? Are there any in Slovakia or other nations ruled by Hungary in the past and did many immigrate to America?
 
What parts of Hungary do Hungarian Greek Catholics live in? Are there any in Slovakia or other nations ruled by Hungary in the past and did many immigrate to America?
Northeastern Hungary. There are Hungarians in the Ukraine and Slovakia. The Eparchy of Hajdúdorog (South of Debrecen), and Exarchy of Miskolc. Sure, Hungarians live outside of Hungary in the surrounding countries. Some speak Hungarian, some Rusyn.

 
The Czech tribes of Moravia helped Charlemagne destroy the Avar Empire (where Hungary is today). Mojmir and his fellow chiefs were baptized at Regensburg in modern-day Germany, but then Rostislav (850-70) who was Mojmir’s successor, feared the German influence as a threat to his personal rule so turned to Byzantium.

So the Slavs joined the eastern Church in 850 and Cyril and Methodius then came there on request of Prince Rostislav of Great Moravia in 862 (for four years) . There was a dispute over the area at this time because the Archbishop of Salzburg (and other western Bishops) had previously evangalized the western areas of Great Moravia since the time of Charlemagne (reigned 768–814).
Yes, the fear of the West tended to continue among the Eastern Churches to this day ;).

St Rostislav was recently glorified a saint, as you know. It was actually St Photios the Patriarch of Constantinople who agreed to send Sts Cyril and Methodius.

The five discioples of Sts Cyril and Methodius are likewise honoured with them: Sts Angelar, Sava, Hahum, Gorazd and Clement of Ochrid.

The later bishop St Gorazd, although an ethnic Serb, was executed by the Nazis for giving assistance to Czech resistance fighters and is very highly honoured in E. Europe.

The Czech Orthodox Church publishes its calendar and other items in four languages: Czech, Slovak, Ukrainian and Russian.

The Hussite martyr, Jerome of Prague, had actually become an Orthodox Christian in Latvia when he was there and his Orthodox baptismal certificate has been found. There is a movement to canonize him an Orthodox saint.

Jan Hus is also privately venerated by the Czech Orthodox (he is something of a national hero and martyr and his yearly commemoration ceremony is also attended by the RC authorities). They also liturgically commemorate him, Jerome of Prague, Michal Polak, King George of Podybrady and the more than 240 Hussite martyrs of Kutna Hora.

The Hussite Utraquist church saw itself as a kind of descendant of the Cyrillo-Methodian tradition as well - there were also Hussites who became Orthodox, like Bishop Constantine Anglikos who actually worked to bring the Hussites into Orthodoxy.

I have an article by a Czech Orthodox writer (in Czech) who argues for the liturgical veneration (and canonization) of both Hus and Jerome as harbingers of a return to the Cyrillo-Methodian tradition.

The Cyrillo-Methodian pan-Slavic movement of the 19th century, of which Taras Shevchenko was a member, regarded Hus as an ally to them.

Shevchenko, an Orthodox Christian, even wrote this about Hus:

Receive my little poem about the Holy Czech
The Great Martyr, The Glorious Hus!

And I will pray that all Slavs may become as heretical
As the Great Heretic of Constance!

Alex
 
Northeastern Hungary. There are Hungarians in the Ukraine and Slovakia. The Eparchy of Hajdúdorog (South of Debrecen), and Exarchy of Miskolc. Sure, Hungarians live outside of Hungary in the surrounding countries. Some speak Hungarian, some Rusyn.

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Hungarian Greek Catholics are everywhere actually…we have their Church even in Budapest at many locations. I am hungarian and lived 30 years in Hungary, I have serbian friends living in Hungary who are members of the Greek orthodox church so Hungary has lots of them too
Also hungarians who live in the surrounding countries are not allowed to speak hungarian at all…this is the case in Romania, Slovakia…in Slovakia there is a language law against hungarian which is sad since those people cannot practice their faith in their own language.
 
Hungarian Greek Catholics are everywhere actually…we have their Church even in Budapest at many locations. I am hungarian and lived 30 years in Hungary, I have serbian friends living in Hungary who are members of the Greek orthodox church so Hungary has lots of them too
Also hungarians who live in the surrounding countries are not allowed to speak hungarian at all…this is the case in Romania, Slovakia…in Slovakia there is a language law against hungarian which is sad since those people cannot practice their faith in their own language.
They still have that law in Slovakia? I have a friend who is Hungarian and escaped from Slovakia many years ago. He also told me that they weren’t allowed to speak Hungarian.

He inherited an apartment there and goes back every year. I would of thought that after the fall of the wall that this law would have changed.

God Bless

Bernadette
 
They still have that law in Slovakia? I have a friend who is Hungarian and escaped from Slovakia many years ago. He also told me that they weren’t allowed to speak Hungarian.

He inherited an apartment there and goes back every year. I would of thought that after the fall of the wall that this law would have changed.

God Bless

Bernadette
The relationship between Hungary, Slovakia and Romania is not too friendly…God knows what the real reason is, but that is why they have that stupid law 😦 It is very sad

God bless
 
The relationship between Hungary, Slovakia and Romania is not too friendly…God knows what the real reason is, but that is why they have that stupid law 😦 It is very sad

God bless
I wonder if it was put in force after the Hungarian Revolution in 1956-57, by the Soviets.

I know when I visited in Hungary, they couldn’t stand any Russians. I know that my friend has problems with some words, because he only used Hungarian at home. Also he has been in the US since the early 60’s or before.

God Bless

Bernadette
 
I wonder if it was put in force after the Hungarian Revolution in 1956-57, by the Soviets.

I know when I visited in Hungary, they couldn’t stand any Russians. I know that my friend has problems with some words, because he only used Hungarian at home. Also he has been in the US since the early 60’s or before.

God Bless

Bernadette
Not so early, it happened after they were a federation. There are three phases of the language laws there. The first law was Czechoslovakia enacted in 1990. It was in place when I visited there in 1992. The second phase was after the creation of the Slovak Republic (1993) and at least two laws were passed, Slovak became the state language. The third phase was in 1999 with a revision of the language law to allow entry into the EU.

Now, Slovak is the state language. Communities with 20% or more minority can use the minority language for communications in public situations. Slovak is preferred and fines could be imposed for not using it when conducting business (public offices and instutions).
 
The relationship between Hungary, Slovakia and Romania is not too friendly…God knows what the real reason is, but that is why they have that stupid law 😦 It is very sad

God bless
I think the reason has something to do with the fact that Hungary ruled over Slovakia for a thousand years until after WWI, and the Slovaks didn’t like the arrangement.
 
Also hungarians who live in the surrounding countries are not allowed to speak hungarian at all…this is the case in Romania, Slovakia…in Slovakia there is a language law against hungarian which is sad since those people cannot practice their faith in their own language.
Gee, imagine that:eek:

When Hungary dominated the area, the Slovaks were not permitted to speak Slovak but had to speak Hungarian:eek:

My grandmother used talk of being beaten in school for speaking Slovak and not Hungarian:mad:

So what was good for the goose is not good for the gander:confused:
 
Gee, imagine that:eek:

When Hungary dominated the area, the Slovaks were not permitted to speak Slovak but had to speak Hungarian:eek:

My grandmother used talk of being beaten in school for speaking Slovak and not Hungarian:mad:

So what was good for the goose is not good for the gander:confused:
I am sorry for your grandmother. My grandmother got in trouble, I don’t know how severely, because she was left handed. That was supposedly ungodly. 🤷 Pray for them and all those who lived through that, and thank God that such silliness is largely gone now.
 
Gee, imagine that:eek:

When Hungary dominated the area, the Slovaks were not permitted to speak Slovak but had to speak Hungarian:eek:

My grandmother used talk of being beaten in school for speaking Slovak and not Hungarian:mad:

So what was good for the goose is not good for the gander:confused:
Hungary never dominated anything…believe me…but the Turkish, Habsurgs, German, and dSoviets did…however I do not wish to argue…if such thing happened, and I believe it did, I only wish for peace in Europe…

God bless you
 
I am sorry for your grandmother. My grandmother got in trouble, I don’t know how severely, because she was left handed. That was supposedly ungodly. 🤷 Pray for them and all those who lived through that, and thank God that such silliness is largely gone now.
I know that practice happened almost everywhere…it is very sad and disgusting 😦 Praying for them…
 
Gee, imagine that:eek:

When Hungary dominated the area, the Slovaks were not permitted to speak Slovak but had to speak Hungarian:eek:

My grandmother used talk of being beaten in school for speaking Slovak and not Hungarian:mad:

So what was good for the goose is not good for the gander:confused:
Now hungarians are beaten up when they speak hungarian…is that better? I do not think so…pray for peace…
 
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