Hunting Animals - Your Opinion

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Foxes here in the UK kill for the sake of killing not to eat and they cost farmers thousands of pounds in livestock
 
Learner1969 said:
Foxes here in the UK kill for the sake of killing not to eat and they cost farmers thousands of pounds in livestock
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and you can see the effect of non-farm people influencing the law to ban fox hunting, even though it doesn’t affect them one bit but does affect the people who have to make a living and provide food for the nation. Interesting how they sympathize with the fox and not the thousands of baby animals foxes like to prey on.
 
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So. What would be the carry capacity for people on the planet? When 100% of arable land is under cultivation and the naturally occurring species in those environments are extinct?
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There can never be overpopulation of humans. Each person is a direct creation by God, ergo, no human that has existed, currently exists are will eventually exists is not desired by God to inhabit the Earth.

That final maximum number, can only therefore be known by God, as it is He who decides that.
 
While comparatively rare, it happens several times every year. It’s why orange hunting vests are a thing.

Some moron with a gun will hear a rustle in some nearby brush and fire into it, wounding or killing someone.

Added: Or another moron will be track moving prey and swing their muzzle upon someone standing in the way, a la Dick Cheney.
 
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People like you have been crying out about overpopulation since, litearlly, the time of Aristotle.

We are nowhere near max population, we just need to work on how we distribute resources.

In actual reality, the population growth of most developed nations is below replacement level, especially in Europe and Asia. It’s a major problem in Japan right now, and in America we just dipped below the line last year or the year before. If we keep doing what we’re doing, we’re going to go extinct; or rather, significant population areas are going to die out.
 
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It’s a tough question. Me personally, I’m uncomfortable with pretty much all violence unless it is justified or necessary and it’s a fair match. Think knights duelling over a damsel.

What does this have to do with hunting? Well, hunting is unnecessary, so I’m not a fan. (The eco balance argument is weak. Eco systems balance themselves out perfectly fine when man doesn’t meddle with them. The eco system argument is therefore really about making it “balance out” in a way and on a timescale that man thinks is just about right.)

On the other hand, what’s crueler, shooting an animal that has lived in the wild for years, or keeping an animal contained from its birth until its death without it ever experiencing a natural life? My point is, if one is going to be against hunting, one would IMO definitely have to be against industrial cattle farming. Whoever isn’t willing to be consistent in that, hardly makes a convincing case against hunting.
 
Roguish said:
What does this have to do with hunting? Well, hunting is unnecessary, so I’m not a fan. (The eco balance argument is weak. Eco systems balance themselves out perfectly fine when man doesn’t meddle with them. The eco system argument is therefore really about making it “balance out” in a way and on a timescale that man thinks is just about right.)
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The darned thing is that human activity screwed up the balance in a lot of cases.

Too many deer is something readily cured by wolves. But we killed all of them were I live. As a result, I don’t drive after dark during deer rut. The odds of a sex-crazed buck literally flying out into the road at night is just too high.
 
ProdglArchitect said:
We are nowhere near max population, we just need to work on how we distribute resources.
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That’s always the driving factor for population. Thanks overwhelmingly to fossil fuel to fuel machines and produce fertilizer, we can produce literally tons more food.

Darned thing is that it’s not a renewable resource and burning oceans of it seems to screw with the environmental patterns of our globe.

And a few of us think that other critters have as much a right to be here as we do. Due to human activity, the 6th great extinction on this planet is going on - the Holocene Extinction.

Cause? Too. Many. People.
It’s a major problem in Japan right now, and in America we just dipped below the line last year or the year before.
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Even if I’m wrong right now, it’s a problem everyone’s gotta eventually deal with, right?

I’ve been there. Those Japanese folks are stacked on each other.
If we keep doing what we’re doing, we’re going to go extinct; or rather, significant population areas are going to die out.
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At pushing 8 billion, we’ve got some to give. I’m sure I don’t have to remind you that all human history until roughly the American revolution there were less than a billion of us at any given time. Worldwide.
 
Incorrect. The problem is not too many people, it is the misuse of resources. If we were not using resources in the manner we are, the number of people would be a non-issue.

The Japanese are stacked on each other, in the cities, I agree. The countryside… not so much so. Despite the relative density of cities, they have a population crisis. Significant portions of the previous and current generation simply haven’t been having kids, or involving in any meaningful relationships. They don’t feel like they have the time thanks to Japanese work culture.

I am aware of the recent explosion of human population. That still doesn’t mean we’re overpopulated.

Lunch is over though, so I’ve got to get back to work. Have a good one.
 
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ProdglArchitect said:
Incorrect. The problem is not too many people, it is the misuse of resources.
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The problems of the Holocene Extinction and Climate Change are driven by over-consumption of resources which is driven primarily by human activity - particularly among consumerist nations.

This isn’t debatable, only deniable.
The Japanese are stacked on each other, in the cities, I agree. The countryside… not so much so.
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Their land utilization is practically maxed. If it’s flat and doesn’t routinely flood, there’s a farm or structure there.

The wide swaths of undeveloped land between Tokyo and Nara? Flood plain.
I am aware of the recent explosion of human population. That still doesn’t mean we’re overpopulated.
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You’re right. But the resultant Holocene Extinction and climate change indicate it.
 
I don’t understand a humans need to eradicate species of animals. What about our youngsters as well? They set a bad example for future generations. Some of these species will be a mere photograph to them to learn from. These are gods creatures as we are gods children. It’s an unforgivable sin in my eyes.
 
50 years ago, people predicted the population explosion would cause catrastrophe by the turn of the century. No food or energy. Instead, global poverty has dropped, the environment (excepting global warming) has improved, a significant middle class has been created in many third world countries, and we have more energy and food than ever, with better diets.

We still have our problems to solve, but please spare me the over population c#$p on a Catholic forum. We Catholics like empirical evidence.
 
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tafan2 said:
50 years ago, people predicted the population explosion would cause catrastrophe by the turn of the century. No food or energy. Instead, global poverty has dropped, the environment (excepting global warming) has improved, a significant middle class has been created in many third world countries, and we have more energy and food than ever, with better diets.

We still have our problems to solve, but please spare me the over population c#$p on a Catholic forum. We Catholics like empirical evidence.
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Climate change, the extreme jump in the background extinction rate don’t benefit from empirical evidence?

I’m jealous of your bubble. Let me in.
 
I acknowledged we still have problems. But things are way better than 50 years ago despite population growth. And by now, most of us are supposed to be dead.
 
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