Husband a terrible leader

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OP, it could be worse. Your husband could refuse to make decisions, then criticize the decision you make when he doesn’t like the outcome…a certain husband I know used to do this until his wife made it clear he could either complain OR not have responsibility for decisions, but not both. But I digress…

I can appreciate your frustration. I imagine making the majority of the decisions can be very tiring and anxiety-provoking, and even more so when you aren’t getting enough sleep because you are taking care of a baby at night.

Have you read the book The Temperament God Gave Your Spouse by Art and Laraine Bennett? I really found it helpful in my marriage, as my husband and I are very different people. It sounds like you have some “go-getter” aspects of the Choleric temperament, and he has some of the lack of initiative aspects of the Phlegmatic temperament. They specifically address this issue of Choleric women being frustrated with the lack of initiative/leadership in their phlegmatic husbands. They also discuss the best ways to motivate people of this temperament.

Being partially phlegmatic myself, I can tell you that criticism generally does not motivate people like me. On the contrary, it discourages us, making us not want to try. What works better for phlegmatic people is encouragement and praise. Something like, “Please take care of deciding X. You have good judgment, and I know you’ll make the right choice.”

Also, sometimes to get what we want in our marriages, we have to do it in a way that is not the ideal. For example, the other day, I told my husband exactly what I’d like for St. Valentine’s Day. Now I’d love for him to figure out something romantic to do on his own, but I’d rather tell him what I want than be disappointed if he didn’t do anything because he “couldn’t think of anything good,” which has happened in the past.

Maybe it’s not ideal that your husband can’t figure out on his own what needs to be done or what decisions need to be made, but if you point out for him specifically what needs to be done and he does it, isn’t that closer to what you want than the way things are now?
 
My husband does not lead our family in any way. He has become comfortable letting me be in the driver’s seat. I have to be the “brain” of our family and I am growing very tired, angry, depressed and regretful over my marriage. Was wondering if anyone can relate or had any thoughts/tips on how I can break this horrible trend in our relationship before I end up wanting to divorce him. Men, what do you think about another man refusing to lead his family?
I think a lot of the problem here is that men have got out of the habit of accepting a leadership role, not least because the feminist lobby is so keen to teach them that women are there equals in every way.

Lots of people (including men) who have responded here express marriage as a partnership, which of cause it is, but if you want your husband to lead (as many of us still do - despite the feminist lobby) then I think you have to encourage him to do so and make it clear that you want to be lead and that you will abide by his wishes.
 
Your husband may have a type B personality. Laid back, when it comes to a lot of things.You may be the opposite.

Being a poor leader is vague. If it is just decision making and pitching in with work around the house-I don’t think this is s major issue. I would hire someone to help now and then, such as a lawn guy, or a cleaning person. A laid back person is not going to help you unless you ask, and remind sometimes. Even if these services are not in the budget, use them to your advantage-ask you husband to do something, if he doesn’t-tell him you will call somene.
Hubby will get the message (and the bill). This should motivate.
I would also be careful not to find fault in anything he does do-even if it is a poor job.

Not every marriage is 50/50 when it comes to home things-every contribution should be taken into consideration. Also look at how he was raised.

For decision making-how many wives would love to plan everything? I would.

If it is what I mentioned above, and your husband is a good person morally, and not settinbg a bad example, then you have to give him some slack, and be smart about it.

I have been married 20 plus years and have navigated around things like this. Remember to focus on the positives your husband has, and you will see that they outweigh this.
 
After reading this whole thread, I still don’t know what the OP means by leading. There is a wide range of leadership styles, one being if the subordinate is keeping things going smoothly, don’t mess with anything and let them keep things running smoothly. Does the OP want her husband to view her as his subordinate?

Has he ever made what you, the OP, judged to be poor leadership decisions in the past? If he has made these leadership mistakes, how did you react? Could he have just given up, not wanting to deal with what happens when he messes up?
 
As for what I think. I think it is almost impossible to lead a family where the wife has no respect for you and where you undercut each other and degrade each other online.

I could not lead my wife anywhere if she posted what you posted.

Perhaps he is not a good “leader” but perhaps you are a poor follower as well. At any rate. My wife leads me and I lead her. What are you doing to lead him? Or are you a poor leader as well?
I agree. A couple has to respect each other and listen to each other for a marriage to be successful. Also at different stages in married and family life each spouse takes the lead, so to speak, in directing the family.

If you are a young family with elementary aged kids and younger, it is often true that the wife/mother is more of a leader simply because she usually has more involvement in the children’s activities (school, dr appoints, etc.)

Have you actually spoken to your husband about this issue? And I mean a real conversation, not yelling or snide remarks? Perhaps he feels your family is doing fine and doesn’t know you have other expectations.

If he is working full-time, attends Mass, is involved with the children on his own initiative, and handles “his” chores/house responsibilities, that is all good. If he doesn’t initiate vacation plans, decide what’s for dinner, or preside over formal family prayers - and you expect him to - you are going to have to tell him.
 
Here you go - an article just for you:
washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2014/02/03/why-i-hate-mom-calendars/
More work begets more work. As couples become accustomed to the woman doing more, research has found that women typically spend three times more on boring, repetitive, daily drudge work. But, in a sign that I would argue indicates how unconsciously we accept the skewed housework equation as “normal,” Liss and Schiffrin write that though surveys have found a majority of married women want to change it, less than 13 percent actually talk to their husbands about it.

And even when spouses do help with the drudge work, studies have found that what women most want is for their spouses to take some of that mental noise out of their brains and share the managing, organizing and delegating of household tasks.
OP, I think you’ve gotten good advice so far - especially the part about looking for the good in your husband and noticing what you need to improve in yourself. That is a true teaching of the Church - we should think the best of others and pray and work to improve ourselves.

As for things like buying a house, really it works better if one person is in charge of the process. We just refinanced and I did 99% of the work for that. It’s not that big of a deal - we talked about it, decided we were ready and it was a good time. I had more time right then, so I started the process. Dh showed up for closing and asked some questions. I never occurred to me he wasn’t being a leader.

I do think the idea of post-partum depression is a something you should check into. As well as speaking to your priest (and or doctor) about getting counselling for yourself if not for the both of you.

I will pray for you.
 
I still find it odd the way you are portraying the man you love. I guess what I am saying is it sure looks like you think he is lazy, and worthless. And you publically make this known by telling the world online. 🤷 So I have two options.
  1. Your husband is a scumbag. The worst of the worst. And you were tricked into marrying him, having children with him, and then his true colors came out.
  2. You are completely slandering him and resent and hate him. And so you sabotage his ability to lead by emasculating him to his face and behind his back.
Is there another option?

I was not joking. If what you post is the truth then I would show it to him. If my wife thought this way of me, I would definitely “change”. Does he know how you feel, or do you passively nag at him constantly so that it does not seem to have an impact? I would never write something about my wife that I did not intend to tell her. I would never post something that I would be embarrassed if she read it. I have been BEYOND frustrated at times with my spouse. Most people are at times. But I would never do that to my teammate. Never.

In football, where leadership is paramount, if someone did as you have done, they would be off the team. IF your QB is making mistakes, take it to the locker room, but keep it out of the press.

Sometimes CAF is a pretty nasty place. It can be used to further faith and family, but it can be used as a tool to dismantle and undermine as well.

To be clear, no matter if my wife or I were to lead on an issue, if this was posted about the other, if this was the attitude and lack of respect one person got, neither of us could ever lead or follow.

Show this to your husband.
No disrespect but this isn’t about you or what you would do in this circumstance. The OP is frustrated and came here for guidance and advice from fellow Catholics. We do not know her or her husband, she is just a faceless person on the net. Not sure if you are purposely trying to portray yourself as “holier than thou” but that is exactly how you are coming off.
 
No disrespect but this isn’t about you or what you would do in this circumstance. The OP is frustrated and came here for guidance and advice from fellow Catholics. We do not know her or her husband, she is just a faceless person on the net. Not sure if you are purposely trying to portray yourself as “holier than thou” but that is exactly how you are coming off.
usually after “no disrespect” there is disrespect.:rolleyes:

You are right the it is not about me. It is about the OP and how she is portraying not only herself but her husband. I believe it is inappropriate. You are free to disagree.
If not slandering someone and that someone is my spouse makes me "holier than thou (you) then perhaps it is not I that needs to change.🤷

It is noticeable how sometimes these boards become a nag fest.
 
Just want to thank everyone for the feedback. I couldn’t respond to every post but I am taking a lot of the advice/feedback with me as I work on how to move forward. Several of you mentioned postpartum depression and yes, I’ve had to come to terms with the fact I am indeed going through it right now. It seems to be very cycle-dependent, being the absolute worst right before my period starts (so that could make it PMDD). Today I booked an appt with my Dr. to discuss my treatment options. PMDD runs in the family (sister and mom had it) but I’ve never had it before now (after having my 2nd child). This is new territory for me.

I realize that my original post was done at the nadir of a depressive/anxiety episode. I am feeling better today and less pessimistic overall about everything (another sign of my emotional downs being hormone-related). Not to say that our marital issues are solved, but I am feeling hopeful which leads me to…

Good news! We met with a priest today and had quite a breakthrough in discussing our issues. My husband and I discussed and both cried through A LOT of baggage and hurts. After our session, the priest gave us both a special healing blessing with holy oil. We both have a renewed sense of focus on what needs to be worked on by BOTH of us, not just him. We both apologized to each other for past hurts–me for being cold and angry towards him and him for shirking his responsibilities of being a co-partner to me. So thank you for everyone who prayed. It really has helped. The Holy Spirit is amazing.
 
Good news! We met with a priest today and had quite a breakthrough in discussing our issues. My husband and I discussed and both cried through A LOT of baggage and hurts. After our session, the priest gave us both a special healing blessing with holy oil. We both have a renewed sense of focus on what needs to be worked on by BOTH of us, not just him. We both apologized to each other for past hurts–me for being cold and angry towards him and him for shirking his responsibilities of being a co-partner to me. So thank you for everyone who prayed. It really has helped. The Holy Spirit is amazing.
👍
Glad to hear it!
 
Just want to thank everyone for the feedback. I couldn’t respond to every post but I am taking a lot of the advice/feedback with me as I work on how to move forward. Several of you mentioned postpartum depression and yes, I’ve had to come to terms with the fact I am indeed going through it right now. It seems to be very cycle-dependent, being the absolute worst right before my period starts (so that could make it PMDD). Today I booked an appt with my Dr. to discuss my treatment options. PMDD runs in the family (sister and mom had it) but I’ve never had it before now (after having my 2nd child). This is new territory for me.

I realize that my original post was done at the nadir of a depressive/anxiety episode. I am feeling better today and less pessimistic overall about everything (another sign of my emotional downs being hormone-related). Not to say that our marital issues are solved, but I am feeling hopeful which leads me to…

Good news! We met with a priest today and had quite a breakthrough in discussing our issues. My husband and I discussed and both cried through A LOT of baggage and hurts. After our session, the priest gave us both a special healing blessing with holy oil. We both have a renewed sense of focus on what needs to be worked on by BOTH of us, not just him. We both apologized to each other for past hurts–me for being cold and angry towards him and him for shirking his responsibilities of being a co-partner to me. So thank you for everyone who prayed. It really has helped. The Holy Spirit is amazing.
Wishing you both optimism and motivation in building your marriage into strong, loving unit. I’ve enjoyed the positive advice that your thread has inspired. It’s been helpful to me as well and I’ve been struggling with your issues for 26 years! :eek:
 
God bless you both! So glad you went to see your priest. The Holy Spirit is indeed amazing!
 
So glad to hear your positive update! God bless you and your husband as you move forward in your marriage. 🙂
 
Just want to thank everyone for the feedback. I couldn’t respond to every post but I am taking a lot of the advice/feedback with me as I work on how to move forward. Several of you mentioned postpartum depression and yes, I’ve had to come to terms with the fact I am indeed going through it right now. It seems to be very cycle-dependent, being the absolute worst right before my period starts (so that could make it PMDD). Today I booked an appt with my Dr. to discuss my treatment options. PMDD runs in the family (sister and mom had it) but I’ve never had it before now (after having my 2nd child). This is new territory for me.

I realize that my original post was done at the nadir of a depressive/anxiety episode. I am feeling better today and less pessimistic overall about everything (another sign of my emotional downs being hormone-related). Not to say that our marital issues are solved, but I am feeling hopeful which leads me to…

Good news! We met with a priest today and had quite a breakthrough in discussing our issues. My husband and I discussed and both cried through A LOT of baggage and hurts. After our session, the priest gave us both a special healing blessing with holy oil. We both have a renewed sense of focus on what needs to be worked on by BOTH of us, not just him. We both apologized to each other for past hurts–me for being cold and angry towards him and him for shirking his responsibilities of being a co-partner to me. So thank you for everyone who prayed. It really has helped. The Holy Spirit is amazing.
👍 I am glad!
 
As for what I think. I think it is almost impossible to lead a family where the wife has no respect for you and where you undercut each other and degrade each other online.

I could not lead my wife anywhere if she posted what you posted.
Agree 100%.

Too often women are held up as super women and men are denigrated as lazy, stupid and inept. Our society now says that women are more capable then men at basically everything, so why would anyone be surprised when a man follows what is expected of them?

If my wife refused to follow my leadership or browbeat me about how I never did anything right, you better believe I’m would stop trying after a while. If there is no positive feed back (or worse only negative feed back) then why bother?

It was difficult for me to take a leadership role when I got married. My parents got divorced when I was 8 and I spent the next 10 years with my mom and older sisters lamenting how lazy and worthless men were. My dad would just bite his tongue to keep the peace. It was only with the help of my wife that I was able to break that programming and realize that I could contribute as well as she could.
 
Just want to thank everyone for the feedback. I couldn’t respond to every post but I am taking a lot of the advice/feedback with me as I work on how to move forward. Several of you mentioned postpartum depression and yes, I’ve had to come to terms with the fact I am indeed going through it right now. It seems to be very cycle-dependent, being the absolute worst right before my period starts (so that could make it PMDD). Today I booked an appt with my Dr. to discuss my treatment options. PMDD runs in the family (sister and mom had it) but I’ve never had it before now (after having my 2nd child). This is new territory for me.

I realize that my original post was done at the nadir of a depressive/anxiety episode. I am feeling better today and less pessimistic overall about everything (another sign of my emotional downs being hormone-related). Not to say that our marital issues are solved, but I am feeling hopeful which leads me to…

Good news! We met with a priest today and had quite a breakthrough in discussing our issues. My husband and I discussed and both cried through A LOT of baggage and hurts. After our session, the priest gave us both a special healing blessing with holy oil. We both have a renewed sense of focus on what needs to be worked on by BOTH of us, not just him. We both apologized to each other for past hurts–me for being cold and angry towards him and him for shirking his responsibilities of being a co-partner to me. So thank you for everyone who prayed. It really has helped. The Holy Spirit is amazing.
👍

Its hard when we are feeling down to not want to tear those we love down with us. Heres to praying you both can build each other up.
 
Just want to thank everyone for the feedback. I couldn’t respond to every post but I am taking a lot of the advice/feedback with me as I work on how to move forward. Several of you mentioned postpartum depression and yes, I’ve had to come to terms with the fact I am indeed going through it right now. It seems to be very cycle-dependent, being the absolute worst right before my period starts (so that could make it PMDD). Today I booked an appt with my Dr. to discuss my treatment options. PMDD runs in the family (sister and mom had it) but I’ve never had it before now (after having my 2nd child). This is new territory for me.

I realize that my original post was done at the nadir of a depressive/anxiety episode. I am feeling better today and less pessimistic overall about everything (another sign of my emotional downs being hormone-related). Not to say that our marital issues are solved, but I am feeling hopeful which leads me to…

Good news! We met with a priest today and had quite a breakthrough in discussing our issues. My husband and I discussed and both cried through A LOT of baggage and hurts. After our session, the priest gave us both a special healing blessing with holy oil. We both have a renewed sense of focus on what needs to be worked on by BOTH of us, not just him. We both apologized to each other for past hurts–me for being cold and angry towards him and him for shirking his responsibilities of being a co-partner to me. So thank you for everyone who prayed. It really has helped. The Holy Spirit is amazing.
Sounds like you and your husband are definitely heading in the right direction! Good for you.👍
 
My husband does not lead our family in any way. He has become comfortable letting me be in the driver’s seat. I have to be the “brain” of our family and I am growing very tired, angry, depressed and regretful over my marriage. Was wondering if anyone can relate or had any thoughts/tips on how I can break this horrible trend in our relationship before I end up wanting to divorce him. Men, what do you think about another man refusing to lead his family?
Which horrible trend are you seeking to change? Lack of leadership from your husband? Or is it the horrible trend of your contemplating divorce?

Perhaps he does not live up to your ideal of leadership, which might be a character flaw or a lack of confidence, or immaturity, or any number of things. But since when are you the arbiter of what proper leadership looks like?

The husband IS the head of the wife. That is not dependent on your evaluation of his performance. For you to be seeking counsel about how to force him to change him is shameful. It is for you to decide to submit to his headship over your family.

What is your husband’s response to your complaint? Have you asked him for his opinion? Or are you just grumbling in your heart and in public?

Who proposed marriage to whom? Where you unaware that you would have to make choices? Are you aware that you have inherited Eve’s curse for her disobedience? “thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee”.

Lastly, have you consulted with your Pastor?
 
Which horrible trend are you seeking to change? Lack of leadership from your husband? Or is it the horrible trend of your contemplating divorce?

Perhaps he does not live up to your ideal of leadership, which might be a character flaw or a lack of confidence, or immaturity, or any number of things. But since when are you the arbiter of what proper leadership looks like?

The husband IS the head of the wife. That is not dependent on your evaluation of his performance. For you to be seeking counsel about how to force him to change him is shameful. It is for you to decide to submit to his headship over your family.

What is your husband’s response to your complaint? Have you asked him for his opinion? Or are you just grumbling in your heart and in public?

Who proposed marriage to whom? Where you unaware that you would have to make choices? Are you aware that you have inherited Eve’s curse for her disobedience? “thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee”.

Lastly, have you consulted with your Pastor?
:eek: What an incredibly rude post you have written!

Instead of ranting at her with some fundamentalist interpretation of marriage, you might have just glanced over the other posts and found that she and her husband sought counseling from their priest 3 months ago

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=11675716&postcount=49
 
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