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I’m not married but it’s always been my belief that someones past is there own business unless they have an addiction or health concern. I think the devilmaybe using this issue to pick at you and bring trouble in your marriage. You really need to let it go. You’re not only hurting yourself but your guy. You have a guy that waited till marriage (very rare I’ve never found one that would or would even discuss it), he commited to your and treats you well…another rare thing at least in my world. Yeah I would let if go can.
 
You aren’t really saying that as long as you don’t get an STD or get pregnant that sins against chastity have no temporal effects? Virginity is not just a nice thing for a Christian to bring to marriage; it is the norm. Not the average, if the statistics are true, but to know your spouse has never violated the marriage bed is the norm that can be fairly expected. He failed to bring what she had a right to have him bring to their marriage. That is an offense against her, even if she looked past it and decided to marry her anyway.
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Why is his sin, which was not a sin of betrayal against her, worse than any of the sins she may have committed?
Fallacy of equivocation.
Your husband is a good man
Which is impossible to determine from the content of this thread.
To be sure there are temporal consequences of sin… but I don’t really see it here.
An appeal to ignorance.
Who among us has not been guilty of some kind of sexual sin?
Tu quoque fallacy.
The temporal effects of unchastity could be: sexual addiction, disease, pregnancy, dependency issues, etc. I don’t see that present here.
Firstly, you forgot a few. Secondly, an appeal to ignorance is not the basis for a sound argument.
Satan is trying to use a past and forgiven sin to undermine what is likely an otherwise strong bond.
A strawman argument. You’re jumping between spiritual and temporal.

+Sebastian
 
To be sure there are temporal consequences of sin… but I don’t really see it here. Except that the consequence is that the OP has conjured up anxieties that would not exist had he not committed those sins. Your analogy does not really work because of the confessional. Once you confess those sins they are well and truly wiped clean. The fact that the OP’s husband practiced chastity with her is proof-positive that not only are the spiritual effects wiped out but he has his heart, mind, spirit and body properly aligned. That’s no small feat! Who among us has not been guilty of some kind of sexual sin?
I think you are looking at the issue too subjectively. Of course everyone has sins in their lives and if we are truly sorry and formally confess, those sins are forgiven. But to be sorry implies we are aware of our sins affect in the world. Every sin disturbs the order present in man’s relationship to one another and this needs redressing also. If someone commits a crime and is very sorry, the courts cannot just set them free by virtue of their sorrow. For the sake of mankind, the order disturbed by the crime has to be redressed by punishment. Sin creates suffering and we are deceived to think that being sorry simply extinguishes the suffering our sins cause.
The temporal effects you cite are not present in this situation though. The temporal effects of unchastity could be: sexual addiction, disease, pregnancy, dependency issues, etc. I don’t see that present here. Unless there’s more to it, all I see is a woman conjuring up reasons to be worried. And yes, if he had not committed those sins in the past then most likely she’d not be concerned in this regard. But look, there’s nothing to forgive on her end. There really isn’t! He didn’t sin against her. He sinned against God and caused another person to fall into sin. He did not sin against his wife because they were not in a relationship. For all I know, they didn’t even know each other at the time. Why should she have to forgive him for anything? She should instead acknowledge that God has forgiven him, that he did nothing to betray her and that he has been a good man to her.
This is a problem. People feel that to ‘sin against God’ has no bearing on any other part of his life and relationships now and to be. I believe this is why we see so many people struggling with masturbation on these threads because there is the underlying myth that some sin affects no one else except themselves. It’s just about God and himself. Having the sense of the unity of mankind, gives the resolve to be pure against the pull of our base nature. One of the signs of surrendering to the will of God is the impulse to give unselfishly to the service of others. Pope John Paul in his Theology of the Body series treated extensively of the ‘nuptial meaning’ of the body as a ‘gift’. This negates the belief that we are for ‘self service’… giving only insomuch as we get a return for self. Someone who saves themselves for marriage is generally deeply infused with the awareness of what they are guarding. Not consciously but until you experience that act of giving it’s not properly revealed to you. It stands to reason that the hurt manifests after the marriage. Conversely it’s not unusual for others to regret not bringing their virginity into marriage after the marriage also.
I’m not saying that it’s easy. The mind plays with us and Satan loves to twist our own thoughts to the point where we’re freaking out. I assure you I’ve been there. I’m saying that the OP’s husband committed no offense towards her and so there’s no trust to be regained, no healing between them needed. If she needs to speak with someone about it, by all means go ahead. But this is not a situation where her husband has hurt her. This is a situation where, most likely, Satan is trying to use a past and forgiven sin to undermine what is likely an otherwise strong bond. I’m telling her that she mustn’t let him do that.
Even more than twisting thoughts, Satan loves to make out that there aren’t really any sins and we don’t need to be accountable to God and others for our self serving actions. The hurt the OP experiences is valid evidence of how the impact of sin has a cancerous effect in our whole lives. There’s a Catholic organisation in our diocese whose stats record that their highest counselling figures relate to post abortion trauma and many of these are women who’ve carried on life seemingly unaffected until they hit midlife. Secular counsellors will only acknowledge the problem as being ‘twisted thoughts’ and not the erosion of sin. The impact of sins, even forgiven sins is real and needs to be faced. However, where Satan urges us to deny sins real impact on mankind… God is known for bringing beautiful blooms out of the cracks we make through our sins when we acknowledge they are there and tend to them healthily.
 
are true, but to know your spouse has never violated the marriage bed is the norm that can be fairly expected. He failed to bring what she had a right to have him bring to their marriage. That is an offense against her, even if she looked past it and decided to marry her anyway.
Violated the marriage bed? They weren’t married when he sinned. They may not even have known each other. The sin is one thing, the OP’s inability to deal with it is quite another. Had it not been his past, it could have been something else she couldn’t cope with.

If OP expected a virgin, she needs to get a refund. What do we call that? An annulment. On the other hand, caveat emptor.

It seems that even if a person receives the sacrament of Reconciliation, he can never be fully reconciled because he’s violated the marriage bed, betrayed his wife’s trust, led her to wash the toilet bowl with her toothbrush…never mind that God has forgiven him. What really matters is whether or not he’ll pass muster with the good people on the Internet.
 
“I got married 4 months ago. I was a virgin and my husband slept with a few people before meeting me, two being ex-girlfriends. Before we married it wasn’t a big deal but since we engage in marital intimacy now I find myself thinking about it often. I wonder, has he used this position before, does he think of his exes when we have sex, did it feel the same to him with his exes, etc. Before we married my husband went into detail about his past and I think about it way too much. I often find myself depressed knowing I wasn’t his first and he shared such intimate moments with other women.”

Here’s the thing–the man you fell in love with is the product of those past experiences. If he had not had those experiences, he would be a different person than the man you love today. In fact, had he not had those experiences, he might not have chosen you. You chose to love him and marry him, knowing his past, and it is your duty now as his wife to stop this obsessive thinking about his past–you are the one who is mentally dragging these women into your bed, which is unseemly. I know that that is much easier said than done, but you owe it to him, and you owe it to yourself. Get yourself to a therapist and learn to discipline your mind. It may even be that you are depressed and will need medication to pull yourself out, because it is very abnormal for a newlywed to be so very sad.

I had a (fortunately) brief experience with depression after a miscarriage when I was on birth control pills for several weeks to stop excessive bleeding. During that episode, I had obsessive thoughts where I would be thinking “My baby died and nobody cares” over and over again and crying and crying. I recovered after going off the birth control pills, but to this day, it’s very dangerous for me to even think those words, even in the context of thinking, “I’m so much better now, I don’t feel sad when I think about it. Uh oh. Here I go again.” That sounds a lot like what you are doing–this persistent obsessive depressive mantra. You’ve got to stop, and if you can’t stop it by yourself, you’ve got to get somebody to pull you out of this spiral.
 
Violated the marriage bed? They weren’t married when he sinned. They may not even have known each other. The sin is one thing, the OP’s inability to deal with it is quite another. Had it not been his past, it could have been something else she couldn’t cope with.

If OP expected a virgin, she needs to get a refund. What do we call that? An annulment. On the other hand, caveat emptor.

It seems that even if a person receives the sacrament of Reconciliation, he can never be fully reconciled because he’s violated the marriage bed, betrayed his wife’s trust, led her to wash the toilet bowl with her toothbrush…never mind that God has forgiven him. What really matters is whether or not he’ll pass muster with the good people on the Internet.
Your attitute seems condemnatory and infused with self serving sarcasm. Presumably people who approach ‘Catholic Answers’ are searching for Catholic answers and not secular platitudes. The CCC says … "1849 Sin is an offense against reason, truth, and right conscience; it is failure in genuine love for God and neighbor caused by a perverse attachment to certain goods. It wounds the nature of man and injures human solidarity. It has been defined as “an utterance, a deed, or a desire contrary to the eternal law.”"

The OP is entitled to truth according to the teachings of the Church and guidance in the process of acceptance and healing for her marriage. Perhaps even her husband is unsure of this legacy of unchastity? and could address that through reconciliation himself to help his marriage grow unencumbered by past sin.

It’s false and unreasonable to assume the problem here is simply a ‘neurosis’ of some sort.
 
Violated the marriage bed? They weren’t married when he sinned. They may not even have known each other. The sin is one thing, the OP’s inability to deal with it is quite another. Had it not been his past, it could have been something else she couldn’t cope with.

If OP expected a virgin, she needs to get a refund. What do we call that? An annulment. On the other hand, caveat emptor.

It seems that even if a person receives the sacrament of Reconciliation, he can never be fully reconciled because he’s violated the marriage bed, betrayed his wife’s trust, led her to wash the toilet bowl with her toothbrush…never mind that God has forgiven him. What really matters is whether or not he’ll pass muster with the good people on the Internet.
The OP apparently knew when she married that her husband was not a virgin. In that case, he didn’t lie to her. Because there was no deceit, she could not obtain an annulment because it bothers her more than she thought that he has been with other women.

The Church does not teach that confession wipes away the temporal results of sin. There is also a lot of real estate between not passing muster as a human being and having done something (or having failed to do something–I’m not making this about sex only!)–before you met your spouse that not surprisingly has an adverse impact on your future marriage. If you break a beautiful sculpture and go and confess your sin, you are forgiven, reconciled with God and the Church. That doesn’t bring the sculpture back, though, does it? It is not consistent with true contrition to tell the person who misses the sculpture and wishes that it had not been broken, “Hey, get over it, I’ve been to confession, the devil is working on you!” Sorry, but that would be a cold-hearted thing to say to the person who except for the offender’s sin would rightfully have had that beautiful thing as her own, wouldn’t it? The contrite person, even after forgiveness, is not above regret for the damage he caused, for the good things that were ruined by his sin. Sure, it is better to not dwell on offenses against us for too long, but it is wrong to imply that the person who bears the repercussions of fornication is petty if there is any grieving over it. Both fornication and adultery violate the integrity of the person and violate the marriage bed, and both have temporal effects that confession does not wipe away.
 
“Sorry, but that would be a cold-hearted thing to say to the person who except for the offender’s sin would rightfully have had that beautiful thing as her own, wouldn’t it?”

But we don’t know that. We have no reason to think that the OP would have been able to marry her husband if he had preserved his virginity until his wedding day. Very likely, his preserving his virginity would have led to a different series of choices, which would have led to him perhaps never even meeting the OP and perhaps marrying a completely different person. Perhaps the thing that led him to love and value the OP’s virginity and the OP herself was his own experience of how unsatisfying and/or damaging his previous relationships were and how hard it was to avoid sin.

I don’t think it is correct to say that we owe our future spouse that we haven’t met yet our virginity. We owe it to ourselves and we owe it to God to be chaste, but I don’t think there is a moral obligation to an unknown future spouse to preserve our virginity. Otherwise, second wives and second husbands of widows and widowers are getting ripped off, and I don’t think that is the case.
 
That doesn’t bring the sculpture back, though, does it? It is not consistent with true contrition to tell the person who misses the sculpture and wishes that it had not been broken, “Hey, get over it, I’ve been to confession, the devil is working on you!” Sorry, but that would be a cold-hearted thing to say to the person who except for the offender’s sin would rightfully have had that beautiful thing as her own, wouldn’t it? The contrite person, even after forgiveness, is not above regret for the damage he caused, for the good things that were ruined by his sin. Sure, it is better to not dwell on offenses against us for too long, but it is wrong to imply that the person who bears the repercussions of fornication is petty if there is any grieving over it. Both fornication and adultery violate the integrity of the person and violate the marriage bed, and both have temporal effects that confession does not wipe away.
I agree, the sculpture doesn’t come back. But this way of thinking also implies that the situation is hopeless: The fornication occurred, the virginity cannot be restored, and therefore the integrity cannot be regained. The unknown spouse has been irreparably hurt. End of story. End of hope for a happy, fulfilling marriage. 🤷
 
Your attitute seems condemnatory and infused with self serving sarcasm.
Then I misstated my thoughts. I didn’t mean to be condemnatory and my sarcasm was not meant to be self serving but rather for the benefit of all.
It’s false and unreasonable to assume the problem here is simply a ‘neurosis’ of some sort.
I disagree, obviously. I’m not a psychologist but it doesn’t take a psychologist to know that a preoccupation with thoughts/feelings/emotions that interfere with life can indicate a problem. That’s not to say that valid concerns about sinful or immoral behavior are hurtful preoccupations, but it’s better to light a candle than condemn the darkness.
 
“But this way of thinking also implies that the situation is hopeless: The fornication occurred, the virginity cannot be restored, and therefore the integrity cannot be regained. The unknown spouse has been irreparably hurt. End of story. End of hope for a happy, fulfilling marriage.”

Exactly–if one embraces that way of thinking, there’s little point in attempts at chastity for non-virgins.

In reality, it is possible to get up, dust oneself off, and be a faithful husband or wife, even with a less than spotless past.

“I’m not a psychologist but it doesn’t take a psychologist to know that a preoccupation with thoughts/feelings/emotions that interfere with life can indicate a problem.”

Right. Obsessive, depressive thoughts may have a kernel of justice, but they snowball into something disproportionate and evil, which is I think is what is happening to the OP.
 
Here are my :twocents:

Many posters here - like the OP - are fixated on the husbands pre-marital sexual activities …for them this man stands condemned forever … because he can never undo what was done …

So - yes - it is true that sexual activity outside of marriage is harmful and has lasting repercussions.

But so does the inability to forgive a repentant person. Is that just? I would expect that in the full disclosure he made - her forgiveness of him was given. At some point - the past needs to become the past …

In the broken Vase example - if the person who broke the vase is contrite and sorry and seeks reconciliation - does the wronged party get to give and take back forgiveness at their whim because the vase cannot be restored? If a replacement vase is purchased can the owner of the vase remember the lost vase and then be hurt again and feel angst against the vase destroyer - off and on - whenever they think of the broken vase?

It seems to me - that the OP’s fixation on sins committed by him AND that happened before she met her husband … is unjust in many ways …

She fails to deal with her participation in reaching this point:

That he admitted to her with full disclosure [After all - he could have kept his past sexual sins secret]
That he comported himself with her before marriage in a chaste manner …
THEN she made a decision to marry him …
Which indicates a level of understanding and forgiveness …

We are human - we will fail to live up to the ideal of our Christian life … in many ways and at many times … As Christians - we need to deal realistically with our personal failings, develop a love of Christ that assists us in acknowledging our sins against God, ourselves and others and seek forgiveness … and we need to be forgiving…of ourselves and others

After all do we not pray
"… Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"
 
Here are my :twocents:

Many posters here - like the OP - are fixated on the husbands pre-marital sexual activities …for them this man stands condemned forever … because he can never undo what was done …

So - yes - it is true that sexual activity outside of marriage is harmful and has lasting repercussions.

But so does the inability to forgive a repentant person. Is that just? I would expect that in the full disclosure he made - her forgiveness of him was given. At some point - the past needs to become the past …

In the broken Vase example - if the person who broke the vase is contrite and sorry and seeks reconciliation - does the wronged party get to give and take back forgiveness at their whim because the vase cannot be restored? If a replacement vase is purchased can the owner of the vase remember the lost vase and then be hurt again and feel angst against the vase destroyer - off and on - whenever they think of the broken vase?

It seems to me - that the OP’s fixation on sins committed by him AND that happened before she met her husband … is unjust in many ways …

She fails to deal with her participation in reaching this point:

That he admitted to her with full disclosure [After all - he could have kept his past sexual sins secret]
That he comported himself with her before marriage in a chaste manner …
THEN she made a decision to marry him …
Which indicates a level of understanding and forgiveness …

We are human - we will fail to live up to the ideal of our Christian life … in many ways and at many times … As Christians - we need to deal realistically with our personal failings, develop a love of Christ that assists us in acknowledging our sins against God, ourselves and others and seek forgiveness … and we need to be forgiving…of ourselves and others

After all do we not pray
"… Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"
Would you people please quit acting as if feeling the temporal repercussions of a sin is the same thing as failing to forgive the sin? That is simply not true. I also don’t know where this “he’s condemned as a person forever” thing comes from. No, it is that it is only now that these particular chickens are coming home to roost.

The OP got married 4 months ago! Her disappointment on finally coming to her marital bed and finding that yes, it does matter when in her husband’s embrace to know that she has not been the only one is hardly a “fixation”. It is, rather, an* adjustment*, and it is allowed for it to take time for her to make that adjustment. It is an adjustment that she promised to make when she married her husband, but that does not imply it is an adjustment that she is duty-bound to make easily and instantly. She is not duty-bound to pretend that there is, in fact, no adjustment needed, either, but that seems to be what all the “don’t you believe in forgiveness?” crowd seems to expect from her. To those who say “lighten up” to the OP, I suggest that maybe you are the ones who need to lighten up!

Why we are all supposed to fall all over ourselves standing up for her husband and expect no compassion from ourselves for her is beyond me. If it was her husband who was suffering regret from his inability to give himself to her as a virgin (which he may be, putting her in the position of having to come to us for help in going through this instead of laying her disappointment on top of what he’s already feeling!), I hope we wouldn’t be jumping all over him about this, but rather encourage him gently to give himself time to get past what is only now, after his marriage to the woman who has committed herself to him in her entirety and for life, being experienced as the true loss that it is.

Her husband is also making adjustments, too, for things that the OP did and failed to do prior to their marriage. We wouldn’t jump all over him and say that he has no adjustment to make just because his bride has been to confession or because she’s making adjustments for him. No, they are both making adjustments that are necessary because the other one sinned. They both deserve encouragement and permission for some grief over their loss, not a condemnation of their “inability to forgive” or a rough demand that they “get over it”. That is not what this is about.
 
Easter Joy said:

“It is, rather, an adjustment, and it is allowed for it to take time for her to make that adjustment. It is an adjustment that she promised to make when she married her husband, but that does not imply it is an adjustment that she is duty-bound to make easily and instantly.”

It doesn’t have to be made instantly, but she needs to start moving in that direction if she wants to save her marriage. We have no reason at the moment to think that she is making any effort at all at self-control. That process needs to start now.

“Why we are all supposed to fall all over ourselves standing up for her husband and expect no compassion from ourselves for her is beyond me. If it was her husband who was suffering regret from his inability to give himself to her as a virgin (which he may be, putting her in the position of having to come to us for help in going through this instead of laying her disappointment on top of what he’s already feeling!), I hope we wouldn’t be jumping all over him about this, but rather encourage him gently to give himself time to get past what is only now, after his marriage to the woman who has committed herself to him in her entirety and for life, being experienced as the true loss that it is.”

If he was persistently regretful four months into their newylywed life, yes I would suggest that something was really wrong with him. For a psychologically normal and healthy person, the joy of new married life should overwhelm such feelings. There is something wrong here.
 
If you break a beautiful sculpture and go and confess your sin, you are forgiven, reconciled with God and the Church. That doesn’t bring the sculpture back, though, does it? It is not consistent with true contrition to tell the person who misses the sculpture and wishes that it had not been broken, “Hey, get over it, I’ve been to confession, the devil is working on you!” Sorry, but that would be a cold-hearted thing to say to the person who except for the offender’s sin would rightfully have had that beautiful thing as her own, wouldn’t it?
I like your example of the piece of sculpture. However, the OP was fully aware of the condition of this particular piece of sculpture before she bought it. If the fact that it was broken bothered her so much, she should have continued shopping for a more acceptable piece.
 
Easter Joy said:

“It is, rather, an adjustment, and it is allowed for it to take time for her to make that adjustment. It is an adjustment that she promised to make when she married her husband, but that does not imply it is an adjustment that she is duty-bound to make easily and instantly.”

It doesn’t have to be made instantly, but she needs to start moving in that direction if she wants to save her marriage. We have no reason at the moment to think that she is making any effort at all at self-control. That process needs to start now.

“Why we are all supposed to fall all over ourselves standing up for her husband and expect no compassion from ourselves for her is beyond me. If it was her husband who was suffering regret from his inability to give himself to her as a virgin (which he may be, putting her in the position of having to come to us for help in going through this instead of laying her disappointment on top of what he’s already feeling!), I hope we wouldn’t be jumping all over him about this, but rather encourage him gently to give himself time to get past what is only now, after his marriage to the woman who has committed herself to him in her entirety and for life, being experienced as the true loss that it is.”

If he was persistently regretful four months into their newylywed life, yes I would suggest that something was really wrong with him. For a psychologically normal and healthy person, the joy of new married life should overwhelm such feelings. There is something wrong here.
Well, yes, there is something wrong. Her husband slept around before he got married, albeit to a limited extent, which understandably bothers her, that is what is wrong. She’s having to adjust, she is finding that difficult, and in her first post she tried to tell people who were still virgins not to sleep around before they married. I really do not see why that is so terrible. You act as if it somehow “isn’t cheating” if someone is unchaste before they marry instead of after they marry. Well, it is cheating. A spouse who has resisted temptation and saved himself or herself for you is naturally going to feel the loss when you did not do so for him or her. People who had sex before marriage may find this hard to believe, but there is nothing wrong with that!! The person who saves themselves for marriage and yet feels no loss when their spouse did not is the exception, not the norm. It’s good if a new bride or groom can summon the needed generosity of heart so easily as that, but it is not the norm, and we should not imply that it ought to be.

Yes, she does have the duty to get past this. I am only saying that she is in the position of someone whose spouse was unfaithful* during *marriage who decides to take his or her wayward spouse back after an infidelity. It does not work to take the person (or to take them back) and then to dwell on the offense indefinitely–you are absolutely right about that! It is to be expected, however, that when the impact of the violation of trust is truly experienced, that is the point at which the work of getting past the offense really starts. Just as I would not be too hard on a spouse who was still struggling with the aftermath of an infidelity a mere four months after the offense, I would also not be too hard on a new bride a mere four months after she actually began experiencing the emotional aftermath of her husband’s pre-marital lack of chastity.

She does have the duty to do the work to get past this, just as she would have if he had been unfaithful after marriage and she had chosen to take him back. She ought to, however, have a good deal of compassion for having to do work to repair damage for which she is not responsible. After all, the bride had no sexual experience when she made her decision to get past the offense. She could not know exactly what she was asking of herself. Give her a break, please, and admit that there is nothing wrong with her because it is harder than she thought! I do not know why that is so hard for people to understand or accept.

Does that make sense? I’m not saying she does not have to adjust herself to this, that she has some right to grieve indefinitely or that it does her or anyone else good to hold on to her grief. I am saying that because she herself did not feel the repercussions of the offense until after her marriage began we should not pretend that the offense is far in the past. The effects began for her four months ago. Give her encouragement to adjust, yes, but don’t accuse her of being unforgiving because she’s finding the adjustment hard.

And yes, she was right in her initial post: It is well worth it to maintain one’s virginity so that one’s spouse will not have to go through this after marriage. She makes a good point, and many people who have the temptation to “sow their wild oats” will do well to take her warning into account. Fornication is not a victimless sin just because there is no pregnancy and no STDs, and transgressors do not just sin against God, but also against their future spouses. She is absolutely right about that, and does not deserve to be condemned for saying so. Those who are still unmarried do well to remember that. It may help them in maintaining themselves in a way that so many people, even within the Church, are implying is just not that important.
 
I like your example of the piece of sculpture. However, the OP was fully aware of the condition of this particular piece of sculpture before she bought it. If the fact that it was broken bothered her so much, she should have continued shopping for a more acceptable piece.
A more acceptable piece? Did she say she wouldn’t marry him all over again? She did not. Let us not put words in her mouth.

Still, in a way she was not “fully aware”, because she was totally without sexual experience herself when she made her decision. She had enough information to make her decision, there is no reason whatsoever to believe her marriage isn’t valid, but she still did not have a way to know exactly what she was asking of herself. Her real work started after she got married, that is what she was saying in her initial post, she is not saying she wouldn’t do it all over again but only that she wishes that her husband would not do what he did if he had to do it all over again, and her point is well worth making. It is a a worthwhile encouragement to those who are still virgins or to those who are trying to return to a life of chastity before marriage. The effort is worth it, because just as with unchastity after marriage it takes more than a confession to wipe away the after-effects of the sin.
 
Would you people please quit acting as if feeling the temporal repercussions of a sin is the same thing as failing to forgive the sin?
That’s not what I mean to imply. Certainly they do matter. If you commit an act that hurts other people, yes, of course, it matters.

It does seem a bit…what’s the word…odd?..that there’s the notion that he hurt her by sinning before he even met her. And it’s odd that after four months of marriage OP is still hung up on something that happened before they met. Four months + however long she knew about = a long time.

Hey–if she wants to be bothered by it for four months or four years, that’s her business.

People seem intent on writing the marriage off as doomed.
 
Wow, this thread was really interesting. I think I should probably get to fornicating if I want to make sure that I find a wife. From my experiences (and the stats that 57thDimension posted in post #31) most women , including catholic women, find the idea of a virgin man pretty lame, and would much prefer having an experienced husband who has been approved by other women in that most intimate and value-affirming way. Sure the church says it’s a sin, but most women find unrepentant sinners, i.e. “jerks and bad boys” much more attractive than men who actually practice the catholic religion, whom they typically consider “boring”. Plus maybe this was just the plan that God had for me, and it will make me into who I will be, I will just be the product of those experiences.

And OP, I think you should get over it, since you agreed to marry this sexually pre-approved man anyway. Maybe have some kids to take your mind off of these thoughts.
 
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