Hypothetical: How would you improve the welfare system for families?

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How would you improve the welfare system to better meet the needs of families with children? Specifically, if you had unlimited leverage, what steps would you take to develop welfare programs to help families climb out of poverty?

Again, I just want to remind everyone to keep it civil and charitable with candor as well.
 
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Encourage families to stay together.
Encourage work rather than penalize it.
Encourage education and literacy.
 
The parents need jobs, even low paying ones, which can lead to better paying one.

Though I support job training, I’m deeply skeptical that the Govt funded programs are of any value.

If we are talking single moms, certify them to work in a daycare. The training and experience directly relates to supporting their single parent skills.
 
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I am all for programs supporting the ability to work out of poverty. As a single mom of three I am a bit offended by the “daycare” comment. Single moms do have disadvantages being a single parent household but we’re not limited to low paying work. There are many more options for single mothers than just daycare or other low paying work.

Once I realized I would be raising my three boys on my own I enrolled in school full time. I received my BS three years later, having worked part time and caring for 3 kids.

Single moms are not limited to poverty or low paying jobs. They can make a decent life for themselves and their kids if they put in the work to make it happen.
 
I can’t imagine that ever working out in reality tbh (ie making people take up a certain field of work because they fit a certain demographic).
 
By working towards increasing ownership of their own businesses. Or working for themselves. Offering training, support, and seed funding for such.

Ensure access to affordable, quality healthcare do that they are not tied to a dead end job just for insurance.
 
RCIAGraduate said:
How would you improve the welfare system to better meet the needs of families with children?
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Wrong question. Keeping people on and “improving” welfare systems is not meeting the needs of a family. Fostering a healthy economy with job availability and making Welfare undesirable and very temporary by comparison is better to get people more productive for their families. That way they can be a sufficient family relying on themselves instead of promoting families into becoming and staying wards of the state… (the downward spiral of “improving” welfare…)
 
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I can’t imagine that ever working out in reality tbh (ie making people take up a certain field of work because they fit a certain demographic).
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I see it as offering an opportunity, not forcing them.

Why shouldn’t our jobs training programs include getting certified to work in a daycare.
You must admit it is a good fit for single mothers who can’t take an office job.
 
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You must admit it is a good fit for single mothers who can’t take an office job.
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It’s a terrible job for working single mothers, because the wages are so low. Also, benefits such as health insurance, paid sick leave, and and flexibility are typically non-existent with childcare work. Such a job almost guarantees a working mom would have to rely on public assistance to get by.
 
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The number one thing I would do is subsidize daycare. I have an aide that comes in for 40 hrs/week. More than one of these women has quit because the cost of childcare makes it infeasible to work. Also, graduated means testing for things like Medicaid. I’m disabled but I could probably write a book or something. I won’t because I’m scared of making too much money and losing my insurance. Another aide was distraught because she made just over the limit and lost insurance for her son.
 
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It’s a terrible job for working single mothers, because the wages are so low. Also, benefits such as health insurance, paid sick leave, and and flexibility are typically non-existent with childcare work. Such a job almost guarantees a working mom would have to rely on public assistance to get by.
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I was referencing NON WORKING single mothers already on public assistance.
And it is a good job, compared to no job.
 
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And it is a good job, compared to no job.
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It’s terrible job, for any but young singles and more mature persons whose kids are grown, lol. Besides, if a woman is not working, she will have issues passing the background and early child education standards. You don’t walk into those jobs, as demanding and low-paid as they are.

The goal is to get single mothers off the sole? Then train them in fields that are family-friendly, pay well, and have room for advancement.

Even better, help them learn how to start and run a successful business of their own. Which they can pass down to their own kids, if they like.
 
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You’ve been drinking way to much liberal Koolaid, rip out that IV
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Give up the liberal labels nonsense.

I did mention “training.” Perhaps you missed it, but my intent is to keep them off the dole. In what strange political universe does pushing for skilled, well-paid jobs and increased business ownership equal liberalism?

In case you missed it a second time, here it is again: train single mothers (and actually single dads, and anyone else in low-paid work) to be able to sustain themselves and their families without welfare. Welfare is a trap.
 
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Stop deflecting from my clear question.
What are these jobs or small business opportunities that are suited to single mothers who can’t pass a screening to work in daycare?
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You are the one that suggested investment for these jobs/careers.
Inquiring minds want to know.
 
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Stop your rudeness. You missed the point. Both childcare and other jobs require training and certifications. If you are going to invest in training at all for single mothers, invest in actually good paying work. Not in low-paid jobs.

Otherwise they end up back on welfare and now you’re paying twice.
 
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Stop your rudeness. You missed the point. Both childcare and other jobs require training and certifications. If you are going to invest in training at all for single mothers, invest in actually good paying work. Not in low-paid jobs.

Otherwise they end up back on welfare and now you’re paying twice.
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This is the third time you’ve avoided my ask that you support what you are saying. I find that rude.

What are these jobs we can train them for that are good paying and flexible?
If you can’t back up your request for investment, you have nothing to stand on. you are repeating platitudes that sound good but are hollow, that is why I referenced Koolaid…

Just give me a couple examples of jobs/careers that fit your description. I will eagerly support them, if they exist. I just honestly don’t think they do.
 
Are you just incapable or unwilling to do your own homework? Typical bro tantrums.

Here’s a few:

Network engineer (what I do for a living)
A.S.N. Nurse (per diem)
IT support
Database management
Hospital/ insurance billing
Pharmacy technician
Coding (webpage design, app development, etc.)

Self supporting business ideas:

Tax services
Tutoring service
Consignment shop
Tailor/ seamstress/ alterations work (huge demand in my area for this)
 
I can’t read your mind, and you are the one who said there are better alternatives.
  • I think nursing is fantastic but it doesn’t allow you to care for your children while you are also working. You would need a daycare solution. I fully support helping the college ready and committed with this two year program of study. FYI, anyone who fails the screening for daycare will not pass screening for a Nurse.
  • IT support and Database management aren’t really viable options for your typical single mom on welfare. Both require a strong computer background and likely a BS in computer science or information systems. If you are talking the first line of phone support, that was outsourced to Asia long ago, where they hire people with college degrees.
Most of your examples really only work for a single mom who already has a four year degree.
  • A single mom without a college degree can’t compete with H&R block doing taxes, and the hours are absolution brutal for 6 months of the year.
  • Tutoring can work for some, who have a special skill to offer. No additional training or investment required.
  • Consignment shop (or any retail store) - owning a retail establishment is long hours and high pressure. Doesn’t really fit your requirement that it pays well and is flexible. It’s only after you’ve built a retail business up for a couple years that the owner can start to spend more time away from the store.
  • Tailor/ seamstress/ alterations work - this is excellent ‘at home’ work if you’ve got the skills. It requires experience likely learned as a child rather than formal training. It’s in high demand since these are skills most girls born after the 80’s didn’t learn in the home growing up. The business investment is also small for sewing machines etal.
The jobs that are flexible and work for single moms mostly aren’t going to pay well, they will be in retail or food services. Doing better requires a college degree.
 
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