What if someone doesn’t have a car and lives in a place that does not have good public transportation? I’ve read about people who have a difficult time getting to a job because public transportation doesn’t run at night or on the weekends but their job would require them to work at those times. Or what should happen with someone who is looking or a job but hasn’t got one yet? Should he go without any health care during that time even if he has medical issues that require medication and treatment? Maybe they don’t have many skills and are having a hard time finding someone to employ them.I want them doing real work, not volunteer stuff where nobody really cares if you are actually contributing.
They should have to verify they are holding down regular temp or part time work. Only actual work with an actual boss teaches actual skills.
That’s not always very realistic. In many locations “jobs with regular working hours” and “jobs that don’t require experience or special credentials” are pretty much mutually exclusive.If you only have transport during regular working hours, then find a job that complies or move, or buy a used bike, or used motorcycle, or move. Isn’t this all kinda obvious??
Are you suggesting we just give them subsistence income and take their word that it’s kinda hard for them to get it together on transportation, so they can’t really work?That’s not always very realistic. In many locations “jobs with regular working hours” and “jobs that don’t require experience or special credentials” are pretty much mutually exclusive.
And I’m wondering where someone on welfare comes up with the money to do the rest. Last time I tried to move in a cheap area of the country, with a good credit score it was a thousand up front for the cheapest housing, plus you have to provide proof of income. The bike’s about the only thing someone who’s truly poor could afford, if they happen to be lucky enough to even live within biking distance (a lot of places that’s not true).
Actually I suggested spending more money on making transportation available.Are you suggesting we just give them subsistence income and take their word that it’s kinda hard for them to get it together on transportation, so they can’t really work?
That wasn’t the issue. It’s not the actual act of moving. It’s finding a place to live. Our shelters are already overcrowded. I wasn’t counting the costs of actually performing the move in the number I quoted. I was counting application fees, security deposit, miscellaneous fees, and first month’s rent (due at signing). That’s not the cost of actually getting yourself there - that’s the cost of getting a landlord to let you sign the lease in the first place. I also had to show my two most recent paystubs to prove I had a stable job already.Moving is real easy, especially when you are poor and don’t have much stuff. If no friends will help them move, maybe they better put some effort into making better friends.
I’m going to give you a comparison. You have a disabled adult living at home with their parents. But the parents don’t believe the adult has a disability - they think they just need to get it together. They don’t want to help out with medical care because their kid just needs to stop being lazy. So they tell them, go out, get a job, and then once you have a job and can pay for it on your own you can see a doctor. But if you don’t get a job, we’re going to kick you out. It’s tough love.DL, you are quite defeatest in your responses, it seems you have low expectations of people on the safetynet. Low expectations yields low results. The safety net should feel a bit like tough love, to get your act together, not the warm embrace of your mother’s bosom.
I disagree with your premise, I think they have often been shown to abuse the funding they have with waste and poor planning.That can be a self fulfilling prophecy. Transit systems are underfunded, so they’re inconvenient and have few hours and don’t go many places. So people don’t use them. Since people don’t use them, they don’t get funded.
The point is that if transportation systems are bad and don’t take people where they need to go, or take a huge amount of time to go between 2 spots (around here it’s about 2h via public transit to go the distance of a 15min car ride), people won’t use them. That doesn’t mean people wouldn’t use it if it worked for them.I disagree with your premise, I think they have often been shown to abuse the funding they have with waste and poor planning.
I agree with your criticism, but I don’t think it’s fixed with more money, it’s fixed by a change in strategy and planning. In my city they have huge double length buses that lumber along, stopping every couple blocks and usually blocking traffic while they do so. The system is horribly inefficient in my perspective.The point is that if transportation systems are bad and don’t take people where they need to go, or take a huge amount of time to go between 2 spots (around here it’s about 2h via public transit to go the distance of a 15min car ride), people won’t use them. That doesn’t mean people wouldn’t use it if it worked for them.