'I’m gay and I’m a priest, period.’

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I get what you are saying but you also made my point. We cannot help who we are attracted to at first. We can decide we do not want to have FEELINGS for someone and we can get over those, but still find that person attractive. We cannot say “I want to never find a married person attractive again” and then never find another married person attractive again. What we can do is decide not to act on our attractions. There is a difference. There are plenty of women I found attractive and had feelings for then I decided I did not want to have feelings for them anymore and those feelings went away with time. It does not change the fact I was initially attracted to them.
Oh sorry I misunderstood your post then. What I was trying to emphasize is that yes there might be an initial attraction towards someone but as a friendship develops it seems that the attractions lessen (at least for me). You are right there is a difference. So I guess I don’t understand exactly the point you were trying to make and I apologize for misunderstanding it.
 
So are you saying that an interfile couple and their adopted children are not a family? Your definition of what makes a family (the two spouses must be able to conceive children together) is an awfully narrow one.

I know a number of same-sex couples who have children, either adopted or the children of one of the two.
This old canard? How many times does this false objection have to be swatted down?

An infertile couple have a medical issue, and may have children at some point. Same-sex couples can NEVER have children. Period. No amount of fertility medicine will help produce a child of a same-sex couple. Period.
 
I would say that in the US, there are fewer homes that have a father and a mother and children from that union. It just isn’t the norm anymore. I would also say that the quality of the adults and their intentions toward the children trumps gender or relationship.
Have you ever stopped for just a second and consider the utopia you’re trying to create is the problem? Broken homes were rare when society actually understood what marriage meant.
 
Can a priest lose his ordination? Here is a man who should lose his ordination. He should discuss his problems in confession, or he should not have become a priest in the first place. Either way he has made a big mistake implying to his flock that homosexual behavior is acceptable. And for a priest, it is even more saddening.
 
Provided he is meeting the requirement for celibacy, I have no problem with it. I doubt it’s any more of a temptation for a gay priest - even being around other men all the time- then it is for a straight priest who frequently has to interact with women. Temptations are there. It’s what we do with them that matters.
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That’s not a legitimate sacrifice. That’s like giving up a sin for Lent.

(By the way this is just my opinion).
Trying to give up sin would seem to me to be a very noble aim. Unless of course you are saying giving up sin is simple and does not involve sacrifice of desire. You must have obtained earthly perfection (apart from being glib)
 
Its much more than sin. Intristic evil.
Disordered I think is the term employed by the Church. If it were intrinsically evil I’m sure that the Magisterium would point that out. It’s isn’t for you to try to add superlatives really is it
 
Disordered I think is the term employed by the Church. If it were intrinsically evil I’m sure that the Magisterium would point that out. It’s isn’t for you to try to add superlatives really is it
Not disorded at all. In the New Testament, St. Paul teaches that homosexual acts are not in keeping with our being created in God’s image and so degrade and undermine our authentic dignity as human beings. He tells how homosexual practices can arise among people who erroneously worship the creature rather than the Creator:

Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.12

St. Paul listed homosexual practices among those things that are incompatible with the Christian life.13

This is disorded? I think not
 
Not disorded at all. In the New Testament, St. Paul teaches that homosexual acts are not in keeping with our being created in God’s image and so degrade and undermine our authentic dignity as human beings. He tells how homosexual practices can arise among people who erroneously worship the creature rather than the Creator:

Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.12

St. Paul listed homosexual practices among those things that are incompatible with the Christian life.13

This is disorded? I think not
Well your argument isn’t really with me. I think that the catechism and Pope Benedict described it in the terms I outlined but if you prefer a different approach then clearly you know more than me
 
Well your argument isn’t really with me. I think that the catechism and Pope Benedict described it in the terms I outlined but if you prefer a different approach then clearly you know more than me
This is the churcjes doctrine. Period. St paul himself.
 
Not disorded at all. In the New Testament, St. Paul teaches that homosexual acts are not in keeping with our being created in God’s image and so degrade and undermine our authentic dignity as human beings. He tells how homosexual practices can arise among people who erroneously worship the creature rather than the Creator:

Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.

St. Paul listed homosexual practices among those things that are incompatible with the Christian life. This is disorded? I think not
It is unfortunate to say or admit, but only when one gets close enough to this lifestyle, it becomes apparent that this is indeed a package of destructive ideas and behaviors. From afar one can choose to believe the whitewashing and nice packaging by the same folks who were promoting cigarettes back then, saying over and over until it became almost a truism: “Winston tastes good like a cigarette should”. Only after the damage was undeniable about smoking did some backtracking take place but the tobacco business still earns tons of money. The devastation that this particular agenda will bring about to society is far worse as it undermines the very institutions that hold it together - the family.
 
Can a priest lose his ordination? Here is a man who should lose his ordination. He should discuss his problems in confession, or he should not have become a priest in the first place. Either way he has made a big mistake implying to his flock that homosexual behavior is acceptable. And for a priest, it is even more saddening.
A priest cannot lose ordination. As with Melchisedec, priesthood is forever. Ordination consecrates a man’s hands for life.

However, he can be suspended or dismissed from the clerical state if his conduct demands it, or be laicized, if this is requested by and granted to him.

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This is tooken directly from what the church teaches. Look for yourself.usccb.org/about/doctrine/publications/homosexual-inclination-guidelines-general-principles.cfm
Forgive me I can’t help myself but there is no such word as “tooken” and evidently you missed this from your link
emphasis is mine
It is disordered in that it is not in accord with this twofold end and is thus morally wrong. “Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes
I don’t believe you understand what disordered means. At any rate both the Catechism and the link you provided calls it disordered.
 
Objectively sinful. Or intrinsically disordered. You however use your own terminology which I think we should seek to avoid. The terminology employed by the catechism is fine for me I don’t think going medieval is helpful really
Medievil? We are taught the gospel for.todays truth. Regardless of the age. Jesus is the etermal word God even for today. If it wasnt it wouldn’t be called christian. Smh
 
Medievil? We are taught the gospel for.todays truth. Regardless of the age. Jesus is the etermal word God even for today. If it wasnt it wouldn’t be called christian. Smh
You misunderstand. The gospel is as relevant today as ever. It’s you I meant was medieval
 
Medievil? We are taught the gospel for.todays truth. Regardless of the age. Jesus is the etermal word God even for today. If it wasnt it wouldn’t be called christian. Smh
You misunderstand. The gospel is as relevant today as ever. It’s you I meant was medieval
 
You misunderstand. The gospel is as relevant today as ever. It’s you I meant was medieval
Is that a quote from Voltaire in your signature? I thought the Church condemned Voltaire’s writings as heretical. Indeed, he is listed in the “Index Librorum Prohobitum”.

For what reason would a Catholic (out of curiosity only) support Voltaire? :confused:
 
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