I’m not a Mormon. Here's why...

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Everyone sins.

Smith took it further by claiming his sins were based on revelations from God, given to him by heavenly apparitions. By these claims he directed that others should follow him in his sins, claiming them as being the will of God.

All the signs of a false prophet.
 
It sounded like you believe your argument is relevent because smith was much worse than the evil popes? There are protestants who would disagree 🤷

I’m no expert but i think you are overstating things.
  • outsiders always try to discredit a faith by impinging the character of the leaders
  • A pope is as much a leader of the Catholics as the mormon leader of mormons
  • both churches believe God is the head of the church, not thier current elected leader on earth.
It is fine to expose true facts about past figures, but don’t be a hypocrite when playing that game. It’s not only relevant when the ‘other guy’ does it.
You are trying to make a case that is common among Mormons; making Popes and Joseph Smith equal; they are not.

Smith was the founder of Mormonism; the truth of Mormonism, relies on the word of Joseph Smith. Just like the truth if Catholicism relies on the word of its founder; Jesus Christ.

Science has shown that Joseph Smith is a liar. Mormonism is based on the word of a liar; the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham are not what Joseph Smith claimed them to be.
 
for Tarboy:
just for curiosity: are you catholic christian since long time and before you were a mormon and still have mormon way of thinking or a mormon covered under catholic christian denomination so to appear neutral?
I ask you this because your interventions are very strange for a christian and your attitude with Texan Night is obviously critic.
If you are a mormon you shouldn’t use a faulse denomination. You can, but you shoudn’t for respect to the denomination.
 
Why assume I’m defending the mormons just because I question some of the tactics here.

I’m a life long Catholic who drifted and is working to build my faith.
While I have disagreements with some Catholic doctrine, I’m here to strengthen my faith and not tear down anyone else with my doubts. So i do more reading than posting. And when I post, I work hard to keep it positive.

I’ve seen plenty of facts posted here that discredit smith, but the facts can be presented with charity and without bullying.
 
Why assume I’m defending the mormons just because I question some of the tactics here.

I’m a life long Catholic who drifted and is working to build my faith.
While I have disagreements with some Catholic doctrine, I’m here to strengthen my faith and not tear down anyone else with my doubts. So i do more reading than posting. And when I post, I work hard to keep it positive.

I’ve seen plenty of facts posted here that discredit smith, but the facts can be presented with charity and without bullying.
There has been no bullying. If you believe there has, please be specific. Give examples.

I am very strong against the false doctrine. But, I am charitable to the posters. I always tell them to be Blessed or that I am praying for them. I have nothing against the people, they are duped as I was. But I fight with all my strength against the heresy…as we have been instructed to do.

I just find it interesting that you focus on me. I got an email from one of the Mormons here saying that I have been targeted for ignoring or fighting. So, when you focus on me, it raises eyebrows.

Be Blessed.
 
Why assume I’m defending the mormons just because I question some of the tactics here.

I’m a life long Catholic who drifted and is working to build my faith.
While I have disagreements with some Catholic doctrine, I’m here to strengthen my faith and not tear down anyone else with my doubts. So i do more reading than posting. And when I post, I work hard to keep it positive.

I’ve seen plenty of facts posted here that discredit smith, but the facts can be presented with charity and without bullying.
thank you tarboy for having taken time for answer.👍

I understand your saying, but being politically correct is a form of hipocrisy adopted by our society so that evrybody is intitle rightly to have his own right. Here I guess we should firmly point out the attack based on just willing to believe from the mormons to christianity. For the right to be free to believe what they prefer they permit themselves to do whatever, and I say whatever they want with the name of Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary. They alter to their own convenience and to try to justify their beliefs some of the Church Fathers affirmation.
Mormon missionaries are the less respectful person (with JW) for your faith that can ever exist. They knock at your door and you answer them I am Orthodox and they DON’T CARE, they are there to show you are wrong.
We are here to show they are wrong and that their wrongness is based on egoistic willing to be happy with a faulse doctrine instead that strugling withthe truth.
We are here to show their way of appropriating Holy names is deeply blasphematory to most of christians ears and that we have to suffer this in patience.
St. Paul was firm in explaining how we should behave with this kind of people.
I don’t care if something is done gently or not. Being firm is not being not kind.

Nowhere in the NT is written you should allow confusion of doctrine.
If we allow this behaviour in the name of being correct we partecipate in the spreading of faulsness.
There are obviously different style in preventing spreading of faulse doctrine and sometimes can get harsh.
But you have to consider that if something is so deeply precious in your heart and somebody attack it with his manipulations and for his own interests which include the interests of his beliefs not in a neutral way but at the point that what you believe become rubbish then I have to say it is difficult not to be emotionally involved.

You would say the same to protect your wife or children if people would tell about them insults of the worst degree.
Since we have to be clear and accept it behond what is politically correct: mormonism is the worst insult to Christianity ever.
 
There has been no bullying. If you believe there has, please be specific. Give examples.

Be Blessed.
For an example, just look at our exchanges. Here’s one
Originally Posted by TexanKnight forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif
LW, do yourself a favor. Posting links to LDS apologetic websites to proove LDS points will never work, nor does it prove anything.
I questioned your insistence that people don’t link to their official source material. It seemed unfair and counter productive. It seemed like you were bullying people to just shut up.

You then respond and questioned my motives, which is a form of bullying. My comments stand on their own feet.
 
Mormon apologetics sites won’t work for arguments here. They do nothing but dissemble, without addressing anything. It isn’t about trying to silence Mormons, its about hoping to get from them a rational argument.
 
Mormon apologetics sites won’t work for arguments here. They do nothing but dissemble, without addressing anything. It isn’t about trying to silence Mormons, its about hoping to get from them a rational argument.
I would add; a rational argument based on facts, and facts should be available at non-Mormon websites.
 
I’ve had Mormons stop by my house a couple of times, and both times I invited them in to talk. Once I even agreed to read the Book of Mormon, and they gave me a copy. However, upon doing my own research on Mormonism, I came across some of the objections raised in this video, as well as other objections.

It concerns me some that my brother has married a woman whose family is Mormon. However, the woman he married (as well as portions of the family) have left the Church of LDS. I am not sure what the beliefs are of those who left, but they seem to be either atheists or agnostics, but perhaps deists.

Another odd connection to my own life is that Mormon beliefs seem to strangely parallel a teaching that I received through a guru on the internet when I first became a spiritual seeker. This teacher was not Mormon, but seemed to have appropriated some of the concepts/theology into her own spiritual system. Later, in my research on Mormonism, I learned that some of the tenants of LDS doctrine are consistent with the kind of esoteric knowledge that one would acquire in Freemasonry or another such occult system. Therefore, many researchers have speculated that Joseph Smith may have absorbed some of his ideas through exposure to such systems, and then tried to merge them with the Bible and Christian theology.

What is the significance of Mormonism? Some commentators like to say that it is Protestantism taken to its logical extreme, a schism of the highest order. I think there is some truth to this approach, but I don’t know if I can fully buy into it (F.Y.I, I am an evangelical headed towards Catholicism). I guess that my crrent working understanding is to see Mormonism as a contemporary form of Gnosticism, which is also how Yale literature scholar Harold Bloom likes to conceive of it (see his book The American Religion).

On a final note, wouldn’t it it be really odd if, when we step into eternity, we find out that Joseph Smith was right after all? An unlikely, but fancifully humorous possibility…

Dan
 
As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints I have read through this thread with interest and I have viewed the video that is the source of the conversation. The video sets forth one explanation of The Book of Abraham and if you were to accept that video as a gospel truth I could understand all the negative comments concerning the authenticity of the book. I would challenge those that may want to view another view point about this subject to take the time to read the following article. We have much more on this topic in the church (LDS)
but for just a short expose on the subject you could take a look at this article.

en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Abraham/Papyri/Long_article
 
I thought I would add one more comment in response to the person who was saying that the growth of the Mormon Church was over-stated. While we do keep records, it really isn’t the most important thing to us. We are charged by the Abrahamic Covenant and by the Savior to share the gospel with the world and that’s what we try to do …but it goes further and perhaps the following video may help you understand what I mean.

lds.org/study/prophets-speak-today/unto-all-the-world/what-is-real-growth?lang=eng
 
Portsouth,

If you havent taken the time to read the forum rules, in charity, I suggest you do. One thing that is not allowed (and I am not saying you are doing it yet, but Mormons default position is to prostelytize).

That is not allowed here.

Hello and Welcome to CAF! 🙂
 
Marie - thank you for your information and I will certainly want to adhere to the forum rules. In honesty, I wasn’t aware that I was proselytizing, but rather I thought I was contributing to the subject at hand with a different view than what had previously been expressed on the thread. I felt both links provided were on topic.
 
I came across this discussion the other day while researching Rabbi Wernick’s dissertation paper. I found it interesting that this paper was so widely discussed online. Since Rabbi Wernick is my Rabbi, I brought this up to him. We had a good discussion about his thoughts on the parallels between Mormonism and Judaism. It seems to me that the point behind Rabbi’s paper, according to him, is so much different than how others have been viewing and using it.
 
I came across this discussion the other day while researching Rabbi Wernick’s dissertation paper. I found it interesting that this paper was so widely discussed online. Since Rabbi Wernick is my Rabbi, I brought this up to him. We had a good discussion about his thoughts on the parallels between Mormonism and Judaism. It seems to me that the point behind Rabbi’s paper, according to him, is so much different than how others have been viewing and using it.
So what was the point behind the Rabbi’s paper and how are other using and viewing it differently? I’m sort of lost because the paper is about parallels *(“Throughout the research, one purpose was always present: to show the parallels between the Book of Abraham and Jewish literature.”) * and that seems to be how others are viewing and using it.:confused:
 
I came across this discussion the other day while researching Rabbi Wernick’s dissertation paper. I found it interesting that this paper was so widely discussed online. Since Rabbi Wernick is my Rabbi, I brought this up to him. We had a good discussion about his thoughts on the parallels between Mormonism and Judaism. It seems to me that the point behind Rabbi’s paper, according to him, is so much different than how others have been viewing and using it.
I find this comment odd, because you write these statements, but give not back up evidence at all, no explanation :confused:🤷
 
I find this comment odd, because you write these statements, but give not back up evidence at all, no explanation
Joseph had two Jewish teachers, and apparently, as a result, according to Mike Quinn, had minimal knowledge of the Kabbala. No surprise, there. 🤷
 
I find this comment odd, because you write these statements, but give not back up evidence at all, no explanation :confused:🤷
I think that Mike1977 was referring to LivingWaters using the Rabbi’s dissertation to back up her/his view of the BoA.

Mike just stumbled on this when he was researching his Rabbi and it showed up in google.

Mike’s view is that LivingWaters is using the Rabbi’s work in a way the Rabbi never intended.
 
I think that Mike1977 was referring to LivingWaters using the Rabbi’s dissertation to back up her/his view of the BoA.

Mike just stumbled on this when he was researching his Rabbi and it showed up in google.

Mike’s view is that LivingWaters is using the Rabbi’s work in a way the Rabbi never intended.
Thank you for clearing it up :)👍
 
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