"I’m Really Tired of Hearing Heresy from the Pulpit." A Personal Account

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They’re great! They innovate with new spiritual ideas
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They…do?

Not trying to pick a fight but I genuinely don’t get what you mean. They’re one of the most fervently orthodox Catholic orders out there. In my experience at least.

I’m discerning entry into their order, and I’m interested in talking more about this, if you will? What do you mean by innovation? Again, in my experience, they’re veryy traditional. Almost neurotically so, my non-Catholic friends call them the Pope’s devoted lapdogs. ( they aim it at me, actually, since I’m thinking of signing up 🤣)

EDIT: This just occurred to me, and I think it should be added to avoid awkward questions. I’m not a priest, although I’m discerning the priesthood, or monasticism. The “discern Jesuit order” part is important because if I do decided I want to join, I’ll have to become a priest, because I don’t know of any lay Jesuit orders. But if I do decide against it, I can just become a monk… Dear God, I’m so torn.
 
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What’d you think of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. I read the “phenomenon of man”. This helped me a great deal…but Teilhard was pushing it…in a good way. I struggled with Mello SJ. I mean there were obvious homilies about him I heard at mass; however, some of the stuff he wrote was really pushing it. Even Pope Benedict criticized Mello and put out warnings on his writings. I like Pope Benedict.
 
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  1. My first thought was that he was reading the NAB/RE footnotes for his source. However, the notes leave just enough wiggle room to avoid being called heresy.
  2. I wonder if the author or a group of parishioners has conferonted the Priest? This may be only what he was taught in one of the horrible seminaries of the 70s - but maybe not. He may be under spiritual attack or in some other crisis of faith. Still, souls are at stake.
  3. The author is 100% correct to ask for prayer - but every now and then, an “in-your-face” correction is needed.
 
Wasn’t a monitum issued for some of de Chardin’s ideas?

I’m rather unfamiliar with his work. I’m going to look him up in a bit.

My interest in the Jesuits is actually one I’ve carried for quite some time. I studied for some time in a Jesuit school, and the fathers were instrumental in igniting in me an interest in my Catholic faith.
 
Hahaha true. But I’m past the point of a career change, I’m afraid.
 
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Salibi said:
Wasn’t a monitum issued for some of de Chardin’s ideas?
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He couldn’t publish them when he was alive, but much of work was published posthumously. It could of used some editing, but what can you do! I’d recommend reading his work.
 
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We have been blessed with some excellent priests who gave wonderful homilies. However we know a family who goes to different parishes while they try to accommodate schedules and the things they have heard from the pulpit have been a cause to have serious conversations with their children in the car on the way home.

These decades have been very trying for the faithful in so many ways.
 
I’d have liked to be a Jesuit too, but I’m the wrong gender.
It also seems that they have super limited lay participation and almost all of it is social justice activism.

I’m probably going to end up as a Third Order Carmelite instead, as soon as I get to a point where I’m in one place enough to commit to the required meetings.
 
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Happy anniversary, Tis!

Yes, I wasn’t much too happy by the participation available to laity in the Jesuit order. I think I’ll probably end up a Carmelite myself, that or the Maronite Church’s Saint Anthony monks. I’m discerning. Pray for me!
 
Send those things to the dang bishop! If I heard that, I would march right out of the church and go find a different one.
 
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