"I am a 21st century priest, so I want to be in a 21st century church" - Father Oprah says to Oprah

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Oprah needs more prayer than we could imagine.

She is so lost, so tainted, so in tune with evil agendas of her “friends”

She is, in a word… sad.

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:amen:, it breaks my heart to now she is like this. I found out last year that she didn’t believe in our Lord. I felt betrayed. I watched her show for awhile, with no hints toward her not being christian. However when the Secret came out, something did not sound right at all. That’s when I connected the dots…she was beginning to plant her seed of cult like worship…one step at a time. So sad. Such influence, gone to waste.

May God have mercy on her soul.
 
The whole thing is really sad. I’m Hispanic and grew up watching Padre Alberto on TV. He had his own TV show and radio shows, but also was a regular guest at many other shows, and wrote a couple of best-sellers as well, for those who may not know of him. He always represented the Church and the message of the gospel with faithfulness, for 20 years. He was VERY charismatic, but also very traditional in his preaching. He headed a parish in West Palm Beach.

Then, for the past 2 years or so, he began a relationship with a divorced woman from his parish. She has teenage children as well. I have a hard time not thinking the worse of her, frankly. Knowing his priestly ‘career’ without any scandals for 20 years, being a young, handsome priest in the media, it is difficult to not see her as dangerous bait from evil.

On the other hand, I am not justifying nor excusing his behavior nor his decisions. He should know better. Maybe he has a midlife crisis or something…do priests get those? Who knows?

I cannot fathom how he was able to live in sin with a divorced woman under his spiritual responsibility [as all priests are responsible for the souls within their flock] for two years, while consecrating the bread & wine at every Mass.

I have heard about the scandals in the Church, about priests with prostitutes and about the pedophiles, but I sincerely hope that he is not planning to use that excuse with God on his ‘one-on-one’ with Him…

Much was given to him. People all over Latin America loved him. His TV and radio show aired in over 20 countries, besides the Hispanic channels in the US. People bought his books, watched him speak at every show he was invited, respected him and listened to his preaching. He should have taken that into account.

Episcopalians were VERY happy to get him. The parish that took him in, doubled in size from his very first preaching and Mass. I’m sure books and maybe even a movie about his ‘conversion’ to the Episcopalian Church will come soon. He is a ‘big fish’ to get.

He had said over and over that he really didn’t want to leave the Catholic Church,and he refused to speak against celibacy, even when provoked, he said he didn’t want to become the ‘poster’ priest against celibacy at all!

Sorry for the long post, but I’m sure many may have never even heard about him nor know his story. He was a wonderful priest! It is SO sad! The only thing left to do is to pray for him. I’m sure his bishop thinks this is a temporary bout of insanity, which will go away…but I’m not so sure. The evil one is VERY happy with this scandal and to ‘silence’ him…he was SO good at preaching the gospel, and so many all over the world, listened to him. Quite a few people are heart-broken at seeing him like this…

He has to miss the Catholic Church…no matter the distractions…no matter whether they are truly in love or not…which I doubt. Love does not act this way. He had a vow, which for him had to have meant something, since he lived it for two decades. No one can release him from his vow…nor can the Episcopalian Church. He was already ‘married’ to the Church, and he is committing adultery, so is the divorced woman [no one has ever mentioned an annulment when speaking of her].

He could have talked to his superiors and taken some time away to pray and discern what to do next, without just living a life a deceit with her. He could have avoided the scandal to the Church that he caused. Isn’t that a sin in itself? especially from a priest in charge of a parish?

In the year of the priesthood, I imagine that we will hear of many such tragedies…:sad_yes:
Priests will be tempted more than usual *.
If a devoted priest, who was active in the media [being scrutinized all the time] without scandals for 20 years, ends up like this…
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I guess I jumped the gun on this. I thought his request had already been sent to Rome. I think that once a priest reaches the state where he is not supposed to use the title “Father” in public, that it would not be prudent for other to use it to refer to him.

Can you point me to some of the articles that debate this? In my mind, the “form” for a valid consecration would be that it has to be as part of a Catholic Mass; not just the words of consecration. Also, there is the “intent” factor. In discussion of priests who may themselves not believe, it has always been said that, as long as the priest intends what the Church intends, the intent is there for validity of the Sacrament. The Chuch does NOT intend that the Eucharist is confected at an Episopal service so “intent” would be defective as well. That just leave “matter” and that’s not enough. I would love to reach some canon lawyers take on this from both directions.
Actually, the Church desires that the Eucharist be celebrated within the Catholic Church. But the Church does not have the power to invalidate a mass that is celebrated by a validly ordained priest that meets all the requirements of a mass. This is the case with the Orthodox, some Eastern Churches that are independent of the Orthodox family, the Old Catholics, and a few other schismatic groups. Their liturgy is valid. If a Catholic priest celebrates mass when he is no longer a Catholic, be has the matter and form, as well as the intent, he is in the same place as the Orthodox. The difference is that the Orthodox celebrate a licit mass. In the case of someone like Fr. Cutie, his mass would be valid, but illicit. Bishop Favallora wrote to the Archdiocesan laity to explain this. Unfortunately, I don’t have the letter.

Even after he is laicized, he is still a priest forever. In an emergency, he can validly absolve your sins, even though he is now Protestant. He remains a Catholic priest. What he chooses to call himself will not change what the sacrament of Holy Orders made him to be, a deacon and a priest. He has both orders, therefore he is both until death.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I’m sure his bishop thinks this is a temporary bout of insanity, which will go away…but I’m not so sure.
Actually, those of us who work in this diocese do not believe he has a bout of insanity. What we believe is not meant to be shared here. So I’ll leave it at that, out of respect for Father Alberto.
No one can release him from his vow…nor can the Episcopalian Church.
The Holy Father can dispense him from the PROMISE of celibacy. Fr. Alberto was not a religious. Therefore, he never made a vow. Secular priests do not make vows. They make a promise of celibacy. It is not the same as a vow. It is less binding. The Holy Father usually dispenses from it in these cases so that the person can marry in the Catholic Church if they desire to return to the Church. But they may never return to active ministry in the Catholic Church, even though he will remain a priest forever. He can be a faithful Catholic, if he comes back and receive the sacraments of the Church, but not celebrate them.
He was already ‘married’ to the Church,
A priest is not married to the Church. That is not part of the Sacrament of Holy Orders. A priest is married to his wife, if he has one, but never to the Church. He is part of the Church and is committed to serving the Church and living his priestly life for the good of the Church. But most importantly, a priest is a priest because he and the Church agree that this is his way to save his soul. It has nothing to do with marriage to the Church.

Some priests are married in the Latin rite and in othe rites as well. They cannot be married to the Church and to their wives at the same time. That would be a conflict of sacraments. Therefore, the Sacrament of Holy Orders is not considered a marriage.

Religious men and religious women are married to the Church, because we make a vow of chastitty. We give up our biological families to join the religious family.

Does this help?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF
 
It’s so sad when stuff like this happens. I think the worst thing you can do if you’ve commited a sin is turn away from the Lord’s church.😦
“I am a 21st century priest, so I want to be in a 21st century church”
The Lord is the same in the 2nd century as the 21st century, and the right church then is the right church now.
 
Oprah is very influential when she recommends a book. Sales skyrocket, and her followers jump on her every word and suggestion.

Perhaps she would recommend the book of the Catholic Church, The Bible. And leave her un-religious views at the door, so people can start to think for themselves using the brain God gave them.

hhmmm… won’t hold my breath.

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My biggest contention has been that the devil kills with kindness…and I see it everywhere, especially with New Age flourishing by leaps and bounds. We are hosting Moira Noonana in November to teach about this occult that is not so subtle anymore…

And for some reason, Oprah comes to mind! Should I invite her?😃
 
Actually, those of us who work in this diocese do not believe he has a bout of insanity. What we believe is not meant to be shared here. So I’ll leave it at that, out of respect for Father Alberto.

Of course, I have no idea what happened to him to act so differently from the way he portrayed himself before…I simply pray for him [and her]. I’m glad that those who work in that Diocese still respect him…must be the Holy Spirit! 😉 I may have affection for him, and I pray for him, but I cannot honestly say that I feel respect for him…[sorry…:(]

The Holy Father can dispense him from the PROMISE of celibacy. Fr. Alberto was not a religious. Therefore, he never made a vow. Secular priests do not make vows.

Really? Wow! I always thought that ALL Latin Rite priests make vows… at least of celibacy and obedience. I guess I didn’t know they were not considered ‘religious’, nor that they were not members of Orders in order to be priests. Who ordains a priest who is not a religious? Who is his superior? To whom does he report to? Are diocesan priests secular?

They make a promise of celibacy. It is not the same as a vow. It is less binding. The Holy Father usually dispenses from it in these cases so that the person can marry in the Catholic Church if they desire to return to the Church. But they may never return to active ministry in the Catholic Church, even though he will remain a priest forever. He can be a faithful Catholic, if he comes back and receive the sacraments of the Church, but not celebrate them.

So, someone like Padre Alberto could simply stop celebrating the Sacraments & Liturgy, and marry within the Church and continue to be a priest [not active] and have both Sacraments -Holy Orders and Matrimony? But only if not within members of an Order, right? Are Bishops always selected from members of Orders then? I suppose Bishops are not allowed to later marry…

A priest is not married to the Church. That is not part of the Sacrament of Holy Orders.
Honestly, that is what I was taught. That being ‘in persona Christi’ the priest ‘spiritually married the Church’ and I even heard that the relationship between the Church and a priest were similar as the one between Jesus and the Church as His wife, willing to even die for her…etc…

A priest is married to his wife, if he has one, but never to the Church. He is part of the Church and is committed to serving the Church and living his priestly life for the good of the Church. But most importantly, a priest is a priest because he and the Church agree that this is his way to save his soul. It has nothing to do with marriage to the Church.
This is why men become priests? Really? To save their own souls? So, if later they ‘feel’ that they can better save their souls by marrying, then they can do that? Then, I find it pretty amazing that we have old priests! God Bless them!

Some priests are married in the Latin rite and in othe rites as well. They cannot be married to the Church and to their wives at the same time. That would be a conflict of sacraments. Therefore, the Sacrament of Holy Orders is not considered a marriage.
I knew this, and I never realized the dilemma…thanks for explaining this! 👍

Religious men and religious women are married to the Church, because we make a vow of chastitty. We give up our biological families to join the religious family.
Br. JR, OSF
So, a religious [male or female] must make vows of celibacy and obedience, but not the priests [unless they join Orders]?

BTW, how does the vocation of priesthood differ from the one of brother/monk/friar? How does one discern one from the other? I have always been curious about this?

Thank you for all the info! 🙂
 
BTW, how does the vocation of priesthood differ from the one of brother/monk/friar? How does one discern one from the other? I have always been curious about this?

Thank you for all the info! 🙂
A diocesan priest is always a secular man. He is not a member of a religious order or a religious congregation. He responds to the bishop. He makes two promises before he is ordained a deacon. If he is single, he promises to remain single. This is the promise of celibacy. He also promises obedience to his bishop.

A religious man or woman makes a vow of chastity. He/she enters into a covenant of love with his religious family. That’s why it’s considered a marriage and there is no way that a religious can be married and a religious at the same time. Whereas a secular man can marry first and then be ordained a deacon or even a priest if the bishop allows it. In the Eastern Churches it is always allowed.

Bishops must always be celibate in the Latin Church, the Eastern Churches and the Orthodox Churches.

A brother is a man whom God has called to consecrate his life to him for himself. He gives up everything to follow the call. He joins a religious family and is consecrated to that family for life. He may never leave that family without permission from the Holy Father. He may never have any other family. Even his parents and siblings take a second place to his religious family. We usually do not see much of our biological families. I get to see mine 10 days a year. We do stay in touch via email and telephone calls. But that’s about all the contact that we have. Our home is our religious house, not our parents’ home.

We make a vow of obedience to our religious superior, to our founder, to the rule and constittuions of our community and to the voice of the brothers. The brothers meet in what is called a chapter. At this time we discuss our life, our work, our spirituality, our vocation. Decisions are made and voted on. When that happens we are bound by the vow of obedience to follow what was decided by the brotherhood, even the superior is bound to it. His job is to make sure that everyone complies. We do not question authority. When we do question authority, it is with the permission of the superior. If the superior says that something is not up for discussion, there is no more discussion, no matter what your opinion is. Usually, superiors want to hear what you have to say, but they do not have to agree or give in. You must ask for permission for the simple things such as buying clothes, going away on a trip, changing jobs, missing prayers, missing a community activity and so forth.

Diocesan or secular priests do not have this obedience. The bishop does not interfere in their daily life. The bishop regulates their ministry. He assigns them and monitors that they perform their duties appropriately and with virtue as is appropriate for a priest. That’s it. Other than that they have no community obligations or other authority.

We religious brothers also make a vow of poverty. We vow to live without property. Everything that we have is owned by the community or on loan. We do not own our own cars. We do not own the computer that I’m working on righ tnow. When we are transferred the only thing we take with us is our habit, our prayer books and our toothbrush. Everything else must remain behind. It belongs to the house and the brothers who are there. We do not have money in the bank or in our pocket. We get an allowance of $10 a week for emergencies or a soda. We ask for permission to use the car. We share the car.

Diocesan priests have their own cars. They get paid a salary for their work. They have retirement insurance that the diocese provides for them and they have medical insurance.

Religious do not have retirement insurance. We do not have salaries paid to us. Some religious hold jobs outside of the religious house. In those cases they get paid a salary that they must turn in to the community treasurer. This money goes to support all the members of the community and to pay for expenses such as taking care of our older brothers and educating our younger brothers. We can’t claim that we get some of that money because we worked for it. Our work and our bodies are not our own. They belong to the order. You see, it’s a real marriage.

Finally, we are totally obedient to the Church. We practice silence when the Church speaks. If we disagree with the Church, we may do so in a very respsectful manner. But we must always accept the answer of the Church as the final answer. We believe that we are nothing and the Church is the voice of Christ, because she is his bride.

Secular or diocesan priests can also ask for permission to retire from active ministry. They do this in two ways. They ask for a leave of absence. This is usually for one year and no more than five years. During that time the man is still a priest or a deacon, but does not function as one.

He may decided to ask for a dispensation. The dispensation is only from obedience to the bishop and from celibacy. He may marry and be a member of the faithful. But he will be a priest for life. The trade-off is that he does not use his priestly powers except in an emergency when there is no priest around.

Some religious brothers are both, consecrated relgious and priestsl. If they are priests they can celebrate the sacraments, but they must have the permission of their superior to do so. The superior need not be a priest. But he represents the voice of Christ, the voice of the Church, the voice of the founder and the voice of the community. As you can see, he has a great deal of power.

How do you know which one is for you? I knew when I felt called to consecrate my entire life to living as St. Francis lived. Francis was a brother and our founder. He lived the Gospel very literally, in a community of brothers with the same calling. I wanted to be part of a community of brothers. I did not hear Christ calling me to be a priest and serve and live alone as diocesan priests do. I also heard God’s call to be totally poor and totally obedient, even when I have a better solution to a problem or a better idea. To me this life is the fulfillment of all my desires and all the desires of God for me and for my fiuture.

Wheather you are a secular priest or a religious brother, you become one because you believe that this is the only way that you can save your soul. This is not the way for everyone to save their souls, but it is the way for you. Yes, the salvation of our souls is our prinary reason for joining. We want to save our souls, because of our love of God. We want to spend eternity with him, loving him and praising him.

Fraternally,

Br, JR, OSF 🙂
 
In post 28 I explained the life of the consecrated religious brother. But it would be unfair to highlight this calling without explaining the calling to the priesthood. I’ll try to do that in this small space.

The scriptures tell us that Christ is the first-born of many brothers and sisters. The call of a brother is to be a brother as Christ is brother. The scriptures also tell us that Christ is the high priest who offers the perfect sacrifice to the Father, who forgives sins, who preaches the Kingdom to God’s people. The call to Holy Orders: deacon, priest and bishop is this very call.

A man called to Holy Orders stands in place of Christ offfering the perfect sacrifice to the Father. At mass he offers the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ to the Father. Through the mass he re-enacts the sacrifice of Calvary. He stands in the place of Christ and fogives sins, bringing back the lost sheep to the Father.

Christ commanded the apostles to go and baptize all nations and to preach that the Kingdom of God is at hand. Through the ordination to the diaconate the man in Holy Orders fulfills Christ’s request. He baptizes and makes men and women sons and daughters of the Father and members of the Church. His preaching and the proclamation of the Gospel is his way of fulfilling Christ’s request to preach the Kingdom of God.

The scripture also commands that the apostles care for the sheep. As bishops the priest fulfills this command. He makes God’s people his own. He cares for them and leads them through life into the arms of the Father by teaching them the life of virtue and by governing them with holiness and with example of fidelity to the Gospel.

We also see in scripture that Christ speaks about the Good Shepherd who leaves his flock to find the lost sheep. This is what the deacon, priest and bishop must do. They must seek out the lost soul and bring it back to Christ, not through power or through coercion, but by carrying the sheep. To carry the sheep means to accept that men are sinful and they can’t always find their way back to God. The deacon, priest and bishop take on the duty of praying for the sinful man and offering sacrifice for him so that he can be carried back to God. This man’s life is lived for the salvation of souls, because only by saving souls can he save his own soul.

Jesus asks Peter, “Do you love me?” And Peter responds, “Lord, you know all things. You know that I love you.” Then Jesus says “Feed my sheep.” The deacon, priest and bishop have also been asked if they love Christ. They have answered that they do. They are commanded to feed the sheep. They must provide spiritual food through the sacraments, spiritual guidance, preaching, and service. They must also provide material food. They must care for those who cannot take care of themselves, especially the unborn.

As you can see, the priest, though he is not a consecrated man who has given his life to following Christ by living according to a rule, in a community, without property, obedient in all things, and married to his brothers in community, the ordained man: deacon, priest and bishop, has a very special place in the plan of God. His place is to sanctify the Church by performing the acts of Christ. He must preach, offer the sacrifice, sanctify through the sacraments, and forgive sinners. He must bring men back to God and keep those who are already in the Church, always faithful so that they may not be lost.

It makes no difference whether the deacon or priest is married or celibate. What makes a difference is how he serves in the role of Christ.

In reality the religious brother and the priest compliment each other. Together they present to the Church the full image of Christ: Christ the High Priest and Christ our Brother.

I hope this helps.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
He needs our prayers 🙂

not our judgment :cool:
I agree. And I ask this question for all Catholics who post on CAF. Are we turning into a punitive people?

It seems that so many posts on CAF are like those who wanted to stone the woman caught in adultery and few are like Christ who said, “Let him who has no sin throw the first stone.”

Christ was merciful and on the cross both justice and mercy triumphed, not just justice. Have we forgotten that someday we too shall be in need of God’s mercy and the mercy of those around us?

I for one cannot forget that. As a religious who lives in abject poverty, having only the tools for my work and the habit on my back, depending on others to provide food and shelter for me and my brothers, cannot deny the power of mercy and its place in my life and that of my brothers. Therefore, I cannot support those who want to see justice done and deny mercy.

What kind of world are we creating when Catholics become punitive rather than merciful? We must recognize sin, as Jesus did. But we must also exercise and speak the words of mercy as Jesus did. When he spoke to the Samaritan woman he did not offer her stones. He admonished her and then offered her life giving water. We seem to forget to offer that same life giving water to those who sin today. Instead we spend hours on these threads expressing our indignation at the sins of others, as if we had no sins of our own.

Let us acknowledge our sinfulness and the sins of the world and thank God for his mercy and ask him to show us how to be merciful. Let us take the words that Christ spoke to St. Faustina to heart. Let us preach a Jesus of Mercy to the world, not just denounce men for their sins.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
In post 28 I explained the life of the consecrated religious brother. But it would be unfair to highlight this calling without explaining the calling to the priesthood. I’ll try to do that in this small space.

Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Wonderful explanation of the vocation to the Priesthood! Thanks 👍

I want to know if I’m getting this right. There are two types of priests:

1-secular/diocesan within a parish [these make promises, not vows]
2-brothers in Holy Orders [these make vows of obedience, chastity & poverty]
Is the order of entering the monastery or priesthood important? [whether first brother and then priest or vice versa]

Married men can become Deacons only [in the Latin Rite], unless a convert from another Rite or tradition. All priests are first ordained Deacons. Some priests, always the celibate ones, may be ordained as bishops.

Are bishops always from the Orders or can they be secular? Is the vow of chastity a requirement for ordination as a bishop?

Diocesan priest means parish priest? I never knew that these were not members of any Order.

On the other hand, priests who teach at universities/schools, are they usually diocesan or brothers?

What about missionary priests? Are they usually members of Orders? I always hear of the Salesians or the Maryknoll priests…

Someone told me that only priests and brothers live in the Vatican. In other words, no women live there. Do you know if that is true? I would suspect that religious women, at least, live there as well.

Thanks SO much for your clarifications. I find it amazing that I don’t know these things. I guess, as many movies about Catholic priests as there are, *, most people do not know much about the priesthood.

Monasteries are more of a mystery, less known. I have never been to one. And I think it must feel like Heaven on Earth, by the way you describe it! 😉 I guess I only get the ‘monks working over manuscripts in medieval times’ image in my mind. 😃 Beautiful! I love books!!! And some Gregorian chanting to go with it!😃

Thank you SO much…God Bless You!
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A father that has abandoned his children for the sake of sex. Sacrifice these days eh…
I think that’s a harsh judgment. Marriage isn’t just about being able to have sex. Clearly he fell in love with this woman and she fell in love with him.
Personally I think he should have just stayed Catholic, applied to be released from celibacy, and got married in the Catholic Church. Unfortunately that didn’t happen. Perhaps at some point he will return to the Church and for that I pray. I think its rather overly simplistic to say he left public priesthood over sex.
 
I think that’s a harsh judgment. Marriage isn’t just about being able to have sex. Clearly he fell in love with this woman and she fell in love with him.
Personally I think he should have just stayed Catholic, applied to be released from celibacy, and got married in the Catholic Church. Unfortunately that didn’t happen. Perhaps at some point he will return to the Church and for that I pray. I think its rather overly simplistic to say he left public priesthood over sex.
I agree with you Father. You don’t need to get married to have sex. I do hope that he will come back to the Catholic Church. He’s a good man, who made a very serious mistake.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I didn’t see the show, I don’t watch her any more either and it is to my everlasting shame that I have to confess to you, my brothers and sisters, that years ago I did watch her daily, and I ask you, my brothers and sisters to pray for me to the Lord our God.

I woulda asked the Blessed Virgin Mary to pray for me too, but I didn’t want her to know. 😛

But seriously, can I tell you how disturbed I was when I first saw the title of this thread? Father Oprah? Oy ve! 21st century church and priest, indeed! I’m glad Oprah isn’t wanting to become a priest, but I’m not sure that finding out what the thread was really about is really any better. What a scandal. As in, stumbling block for those who look on. And Oprah’s vulgar remark about priests with little kids didn’t help. I wonder if she is aware of how widespread that sort of problem is OUTSIDE the Church. In public schools, in other “churches, faith communities, whatever”.

The Catholic Church gets the worst and loudest press; is it because we are held to a higher standard? Then perhaps it is really a sort of backhanded compliment that we are such a favorite target: Satan fears us. And he uses all means at his disposal to do anything he can to harm us. It’s rather pathetic, isn’t it? But then…

*Sticks and stones may break our bones
Lions and tigers them devour.
Still Satan seeks to ruin our souls
And rules the airwaves for an hour

*Okay, for more than an hour, but you get the idea.
 
I think that’s a harsh judgment. Marriage isn’t just about being able to have sex. Clearly he fell in love with this woman and she fell in love with him.
Personally I think he should have just stayed Catholic, applied to be released from celibacy, and got married in the Catholic Church. Unfortunately that didn’t happen. Perhaps at some point he will return to the Church and for that I pray. I think its rather overly simplistic to say he left public priesthood over sex.
In these cases, the order of events DOES matter…he first engaged in an illicit relationship, both emotional and sexual, then attempted to discern his vocation …which may become difficult when engaged in a sexual relationship because it is a rather powerful force, to say the least…priest or not…for anyone!

Needless to say, the relationship got involved…and he still had not even mentioned that fact that he was considering the possibility of leaving the priesthood, which he doesn’ t want to do, according to his interviews. I guess that is the appeal of becoming Episcopalian…to be a priest and a husband/father…he could have become Orthodox instead, no? Or is his prior ordination as a priest an obstacle to marrying and then being ordained as Orthodox priest? I wonder…

I wonder if he can live without some of the things he is leaving behind…I couldn’t…I’m divorced and single…[not dating or anything] because I simply couldn’t leave certain things that only Catholics have.
And, interestingly, I grew up going to Episcopalian church on Sundays with a friend because my parents have never been religious, nor gone to church on Sundays.
 
In these cases, the order of events DOES matter…he first engaged in an illicit relationship, both emotional and sexual, then attempted to discern his vocation …which may become difficult when engaged in a sexual relationship because it is a rather powerful force, to say the least…priest or not…for anyone!

Needless to say, the relationship got involved…and he still had not even mentioned that fact that he was considering the possibility of leaving the priesthood, which he doesn’ t want to do, according to his interviews. I guess that is the appeal of becoming Episcopalian…to be a priest and a husband/father…he could have become Orthodox instead, no? Or is his prior ordination as a priest an obstacle to marrying and then being ordained as Orthodox priest? I wonder…

I wonder if he can live without some of the things he is leaving behind…I couldn’t…I’m divorced and single…[not dating or anything] because I simply couldn’t leave certain things that only Catholics have.
And, interestingly, I grew up going to Episcopalian church on Sundays with a friend because my parents have never been religious, nor gone to church on Sundays.
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Orthodox/Byzantine priests do marry but must be married before ordination.
 
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Orthodox/Byzantine priests do marry but must be married before ordination.
I know but, what I meant was that since he is already a Catholic priest, can he get married, then seek ordination as an Orthodox priest? Or is his already being a Catholic priest preclude him from marrying prior to being ordained as Orthodox priest?

I think he would have found more commonality as an Orthodox…the same Sacraments, Mary, the saints, the sacramentals…most theological teachings…

Padre Alberto never seemed to be the ‘trendy’ type of priest…he seemed, on his talk shows, pretty conservative in his views [about the priesthood, for example]. I wonder if he will feel ‘at home’.

I really like the guy to be honest, not the way that some said. Some people said that they went to church to look at him because he is handsome…:rolleyes:NOT compared to the Eucharist!

In fact, ANY and ALL priests look handsome ‘in persona Christi’ at the moment of consecration! 😃
 
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