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Because the subject turned to hell, and eternal torture is part of your gods wishes for you.
This is what you worship.
I tell you, it’s tough to understand at times.
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This is what you worship.
I tell you, it’s tough to understand at times.
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I made it! It wasn’t as cold as advertised…only -41C, and it didn’t feel cold…it helps a lot that there was no wind.
I credit my tolerance for cold to a bit of technology which is surprisingly warm. It is a boot called a kamik. There is a factory produced version, so to keep clear what I mean, I will post a picture of my foot.
They are handmade, from sealskins, and the pattern indicates my gender, and the community where the kamiks were made (Pangnirtung [sp?]). As to the rest, I have a taiga brand gore-tex jacket (I can’t afford a traditional one, though they are likely better), and a hand-crocheted scarf that my sweetheart made me.
Just think of all the ice that did not accumulate on my face!
Hope everyone is having a good morning (or evening, as the case may be).
I credit my tolerance for cold to a bit of technology which is surprisingly warm. It is a boot called a kamik. There is a factory produced version, so to keep clear what I mean, I will post a picture of my foot.
They are handmade, from sealskins, and the pattern indicates my gender, and the community where the kamiks were made (Pangnirtung [sp?]). As to the rest, I have a taiga brand gore-tex jacket (I can’t afford a traditional one, though they are likely better), and a hand-crocheted scarf that my sweetheart made me.
Just think of all the ice that did not accumulate on my face!
Hope everyone is having a good morning (or evening, as the case may be).
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(I’m not) Sorry for butting in, but just had to help clarify this for you!
Those who understand the difference between God and “gods” are closer to describing reality than those who don’t.
Those who are more close to the Catholic description of reality (God being a “thing” within that reality) are less-atheistic than those who are further away in their understanding.
For me, personally, no one is TRULY an atheist proper. People are merely varying degrees of God-non-knowers.
The faith of the Green-Trollites would be as valid as it is in congruence with the God of reality known to us through the Church, which seems to be… not-so-much! <-sayeth Borat>
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I say brrrr. toooo. Please keep it don’t send it down, send it up.
We have had a much more colder than normal winter and digging out more snow today.
I’m sick of winter.Hope you made it there and back OK.
I bought a pair of gloves this year made out of sheepskin and they are the warmest ones I’ve ever had. They are not lined and keep my hands warm, except if they get wet.
It is 30 here today but we still have ice age ice cap on everything.
When I go out on our back deck it creeks and groans.
Well one more month, maybe, and spring!
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A persons soul is created (by God ex nihilo like the rest of the universe) in eterenity, which we can’t experience as God does because only God can, and the creation of a soul implicitly means a body was created to correspond with it.
A “mechanically forced split” is merely the way that the two resultant people, with souls, were begun, as two people (qua two people).
To answer your questions directly:
(Two souls before split?) No. The split, however accomplished (naturally or not), was a pre-cursor to the personhood, therefore the personhood, of that which was split which are those resultant people.
(Splits generate souls?) No. Same reason as above. The split, however accomplished (naturally or not), was a pre-cursor to the personhood, therefore the personhood, of that which was split which are those resultant people.
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Your faith is in that you claim, without “proof”, that it doesn’t MATTER whether there exists God or not.
It’s not your ignorance that bothers people, but your lack of concern, and FAITH that God, as believers understand God (rightly), is unnecessary!
We all admit our ignorance as to ALL truth, but your “faithful” ignorance (an continuing active desire to NOT understand something) is a bit baffling, and cause for our trying to help you out of your mental illness.
Since YOU get to define what “knowledge” means, as well as whether others have what you BELIEVE (through your faith) knowledge is, your statement makes perfectly logical and reasoned sense.
That it is also nonsense, because your definitions and perceptions are flawed, is also a perfectly good observation of those who DO know what they mean by those terms and their experiential internal proofs.
What do you see as “emotion” that we see as “fact”?
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That would be absolutely correct! To hold a truth as truth, and be correct in so doing, is not contingent on understanding why the truth is true.
You have said that you see God as just one of “the gods”.
How can you claim that we can’t claim that God is different than one of the “gods” when you don’t understand what we mean by God?
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I’ve gotta ask you for evidence again, even though I know perfectly well that you won’t provide it. What official church teaching on hell has changed since you were a boy?
Here’s the catechism as it stands now:
1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.” The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
What did it say when you were a boy?
And what’s this about threatening children with hell? You never mentioned kids before. Are you talking about unbaptized children, or children who die in a state of personal mortal sin?
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Where shall we look?
The gods, of course, should most definitely be searched out for their causes. Both the cause of their origin, as well as the course of their motivations.
The cause of their origin is God, of course, as they were created as free will bearing critters (creatures) who mangled themselves by doing evil, and find people who will worship them in expectation of comforts, which may or may not come.
The cause of their motivations is their choice of disobedience to doing things according to their Creator’s “rules”, and while they know they’re toast, they can take out their frustrations by turning men away from that which they know they’ve lost into the same eternal destination they are due.
To look for a cause of Cause is infinitesimally self-referential. In other words, it’s an exercise in running up one’s own donkey-hole in perpetuity.
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Now that I know you are Borat, I understand why your posts are the way they are. Keep up the good work!
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When you say that the existence of your god is a fact, you are claiming your faith is knowledge. It is not. If you had knowledge, you would not need faith. If the existence of your god was a fact, it would have evidence *other than * feelings.
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But I do. I understand that you call Yahway (or Jehovah, or Jesus) ‘God’ because you don’t want to admit that they are very similar to many other invented gods. Most of the gods which have been invented have been later accepted as myth. Yours is just a more recent myth.
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What makes you able to say that the start of the universe needs a cause, yet your god does not?
Do you have some bit of knowledge you have not shared with me, or is this another thing which can only be known by internal feelings?
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You misuderstand what hell is.
Your “6 year old” understanding is very common, even among under-educated Catholics, but it is quite wrong.
Should not those who CHOOSE eternal clinging to that which is bad for them be allowed to do so?
That is what hell is. God wants us to be eternally happy (blessed), but He is utterly commited to allowing us the one thing that makes us men, which is free will in the area of faith and morals, which results in our behavior.
He will not de-man us of our man-ness because He created us as men and not as any other thing. We are not robots, and He will not reduce us afterthefact to robots.
To eliminate hell, or heaven for that matter, is to de-man us.
This is God, not a god, as gods are creations of God who usurp God before men, convincing them that men are to be concerned with comfort and not truth, which we worship.
The god that you have been convinced we believe in is the idol of the demon who is worshipped by you by condemning it.
The more you condemn this thing which you think is our god, the more devout your worship of your god of “comfort”, as it gives you comfort to discount hell and to consider yourself superior to “believers”.
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When I was an impressionable child, there were stories fed to me of a giant torture chamber, where unrepentant souls were tortured with fire and pain for eternity.
Eternity or torture for maybe a hundred years of displeasing your god.
I thought that the current teachings were more watered down. I was going by mostly those on here who suggest that hell is just a seperation from god, and deny the ‘furnace of fire’ torture chamber that your god made for his amusement.
A very clear description of hell, and still no robust description of heaven…odd, isn’t it?
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I’m sorry you were given wrong information as a child. That really is a tragedy.
But to assert that the current church teachings are watered down, you would have to demonstrate that those stories accurately reflected the church teachings of the times. You have not made any attempt to do so.
The catechism says that hell is a separation from God. Are you claiming it said something different in your youth? If so, let’s hear what it said, and let’s discuss it.
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I guess I stop one unfounded assumption before you do.
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