I am an atheist thread 3

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Just how much evidence would it take to convince you that the -od of the Jews was the real one and Jesus Christ was just a regular guy, not a god?
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But the God of the Jews is the same God of the Christians. We have not changed the old testament to prove Jesus as Islam has to prove Mohammed or the Jews later have change Issah to disprove Christ.

Tell me how many actual Jews that follow their faith have you met lately?
 
phooney said:
“lol sorry, that just brings up very funny images…”

hahaha! Jesus’ temptation of the soggy biscuit or something
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You make no sense, where do you get soggy biscuit and besides I think you are being very disrespectful.

You know like the song you can swear there ain’t no heaven but pray there is no hell.

Do not put all your eggs in one basket. It may be a bad bet on your part.
 
_A said:
I think this is indistinguishable from a god that exists only in stories and the belief of adherents. I would like to think of a prayer that will provide an observable answer - no matter what the answer is. I mean he did promise to answer. If you pray for pi, shouldn’t you get an answer of some kind? He might not give you the right answer (“the answer is no”) but he DID promise to answer.lol sorry, that just brings up very funny images…I see that ANY thing that happens reinforces your beliefs. Is your belief not at all subjected to the evidence our senses can gather?
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Of course my beliefs involve my senses but in order to experence these you would have to believe.
 
The classic example of evidence is from one has means, motive and opportunity.

WHAT motive did the Apostles have in lying they did not see Christ ressurrected.

Most if not all the Apostles were subject to torture and horrible deaths in professing that Christ was ressurrected.

they did not reach any monetary gain and most were chased out of towns and some stoned as doing so.

Now for one or two to profess this may have been a matter of mental health but a dozen men from different back grounds that would be absurd.

Which then now would be credible evidence in their testimony as motive for lying can not be a means and opportunity for these Apostles preeching that Christ has risen.

Another type of evidence admissable is the death bed scenerio and is fully admissable and credible. The Apostles being asked to deny Christ was risen and live was refused. Rather they went to their death professing that Christ was Risen and they had seen Jesus after the crucifiction, what was their motivation if they did not see Jesus.

Another type of evidence is that these Apostles fled and went into hiding as a matter of fact one denied knowing Jesus 3 times for fear of his life,

Now once Jeasus re-appeared before them they were no longer afraid and professed that Jesus was the Messiah once again openly.

Now something / a motive must have caused this change of heart and reasonable to believe that such an event took place.
 
c659smith said:
where is this scientific real evidence found in other faiths that we still have now to test and see.
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You would have to ask them. I just hear the same claims being made by other faiths.

Why would a bit of non-rotting flesh be evidence of a god anyway?
 
c659smith said:
But the God of the Jews is the same God of the Christians. We have not changed the old testament to prove Jesus as Islam has to prove Mohammed or the Jews later have change Issah to disprove Christ.
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One of your gods is Jesus, they deny him. I don’t know much about Judiasm, except that it is older than christianity.

As to how many I met, I worked as a cook’s helper in a kosher lunch counter/catering business as a youth. I met many. How is that relevant?
 
c659smith said:
You make no sense, where do you get soggy biscuit and besides I think you are being very disrespectful.
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I don’t think I was being disrespectful. I think you misunderstand.
c659smith said:
What you are asking sounds exactly like what Satan asked Jesus to do in the dessert
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You spelled ‘dessert’, which means a confection or sweet eaten after supper, when you meant to use ‘desert’, meaning an arid location.
This raised an image of Satan urging Jesus to do something in the ice cream, which for some reason struck me as funny. I really don’t think it is blasphemous, as the only injured party here is Satan( being ridiculous).
c659smith said:
Do not put all your eggs in one basket. It may be a bad bet on your part.
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So according to this advice, I would like to ask you, do you have all your ‘eggs’ in the one ‘basket’ of Catholicism?
 
@C659smith

“Most if not all the Apostles were subject to torture and horrible deaths in professing that Christ was ressurrected.”

Well done to them. Merry and Pippin were willing to be carried off to their deaths to throw Sauron off the trail in “The Two Towers”, their existence is confirmed in “Return of the King” what an airtight case.
 
c659smith said:
Of course my beliefs involve my senses but in order to experence these you would have to believe.
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That is why I said ‘our’ senses. Assuming we each have an average human set of senses, we should be able to sense the same evidence.
 
I know you had a question about if other beliefs have miracles would that disprove our God? Absolutely not; this is why because in our faith Lucifer has power in this world and it has been said he is the prince of this world; and he does have power. He was gods most perfect creation.
 
Jonathan82 said:
don’t restrain yourself, after all you went through all the trouble to sign up and become a member of something you don’t believe in. Please go ahead.
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I believe this forum exists. I dare you to try to prove me wrong without using this forum, and refuting yourself.

It really wasn’t much trouble.
 
_A said:
That is why I said ‘our’ senses. Assuming we each have an average human set of senses, we should be able to sense the same evidence.
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But you do have some similar senses and one being a conscience(right from wrong) no other animal has this.

Animals use instinct where we have this additional ability. why?

You are very intelligent and know that human cells and protoplasm cannot be replicated (Made without the original cell sytheic) if we could we would live forever.

In speaking with you these past weeks I know you have questions involving the para-normal or supernatural you do not dispell these.

Commenting on this incredible phenomenon, in a chapter entitled “Difficulties of Natural Selection”, Darwin himself says: “It is impossible to conceive by what steps these wondrous organs have been produced”.

Darwin’s favourite strategy, of course, when confronted by the complexity of nature, such as the human eye, was to dream up a vast number of tiny steps in order to demonstrate, for example, how a single light-sensitive cell could gradually “evolve” into a human eye.

In this case, however, even Darwin had to admit defeat, totally unable to concoct any kind of credible tale – so notice that phrase again: “It is IMPOSSIBLE TO CONCEIVE” – a rare admission for Darwin’s fertile imagination.

Darwin’s puzzlement was greatly increased by the fact that several kinds of totally unrelated fish have such electric organs – and often located in different parts of their bodies, and sometimes with no apparent function.

creationfoundation.co.uk/Evolution/rip9.html

For one would have to admit there is as much evidence for evolution as creationism ==none as it is all unprovable theories.

breed changes yes proof-------species changes no proof

A poodle is as nuch a dog as a german sheperd

There are no egg laying dogs with wings.

I add this cotent to tease your extremely rational mind into explaining the unexplained and if you believe in evolution then you believe in the unexplained. or where full evidence is lacking
 
Ignorance, not only of all 3 of these threads started by A, but also of all of modern biology.

No offence, agent smith, I think you probably can’t help it, but I doubt you’ve presented any of your own thinking on this forum. You can copy and paste all you want, as can we all, but I now agree with my original observations, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I won’t continue to ridicule you though. If you start thinking for yourself I may respond to you, but otherwise you are on my ignore list. I’m terribly sorry you have been so mentally abused for your whole life that you have no rational way of discerning between reality and fantasy. I don’t think anybody can help you, but perhaps you can serve as an example of the slipperly slope of irrationality, and still help other people that way.

I still wish you the best of luck.
 
phooney said:
I believe this forum exists. I dare you to try to prove me wrong without using this forum, and refuting yourself.

It really wasn’t much trouble.
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yes but several years from now I can deny this forum exists and others may take my word it as there may be no written evidence that this forum ever existed.

However with the testimony and witnessing of others (credible evidence) esspecially from others that have no motive either way will convince others that you are speeaking the truth unless I can dispel such evidence… (evidence without real evidence) tangible.

Thanks you helped my case.
 
phooney said:
Ignorance, not only of all 3 of these threads started by A, but also of all of modern biology.

No offence, agent smith, I think you probably can’t help it, but I doubt you’ve presented any of your own thinking on this forum. You can copy and paste all you want, as can we all, but I now agree with my original observations, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I won’t continue to ridicule you though. If you start thinking for yourself I may respond to you, but otherwise you are on my ignore list. I’m terribly sorry you have been so mentally abused for your whole life that you have no rational way of discerning between reality and fantasy. I don’t think anybody can help you, but perhaps you can serve as an example of the slipperly slope of irrationality, and still help other people that way.

I still wish you the best of luck.
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DO YOU WANT ME TO POST HOW MANY TIMES YOU HAVE ASKED FOR MY SOURCES BY YOU ALONE. AS A RESULT I POST THEM DIRECTLY RATHER THAN BOTHERING WITH A DOZEN POSTS RELATING TO ONE POST SO YOU CAN CONFUSE THE ISSUES.

personally I think that you cannot stand the heat in the kitchen and know I have proven my case that Jesus existed on this forum and am placing credible evidence that He was God.

It is you who spew nothing and have not in any way or form shown anything to disprove that a God exists.

Tell me one thing you have contributed to this forum other than B.S.
 
Phoony I’m curious why did you join? I know it wasn’t just because it said Atheist thread.
 
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