I am an atheist thread 3

[c659smith]

Ignorance, not only of all 3 of these threads started by A, but also of all of modern biology.

No offence, agent smith, I think you probably can’t help it, but I doubt you’ve presented any of your own thinking on this forum. You can copy and paste all you want, as can we all, but I now agree with my original observations, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I won’t continue to ridicule you though. If you start thinking for yourself I may respond to you, but otherwise you are on my ignore list. I’m terribly sorry you have been so mentally abused for your whole life that you have no rational way of discerning between reality and fantasy. I don’t think anybody can help you, but perhaps you can serve as an example of the slipperly slope of irrationality, and still help other people that way.

I still wish you the best of luck.

Oh yea I forgot to tell you God Bless you and your family

 

[phooney]

Sorry, ever since back in 'nam when a shell blew up too close to me, I haven’t been able to hear things that were nonsense.

(not you Jonathan, you haven’t been contributing to this thread long enough for me to make any kind of personal decision on you).

 

[c659smith]

Sorry, ever since back in 'nam when a shell blew up too close to me, I haven’t been able to hear things that weren’t nonsense.

(not you Jonathan, you haven’t been contributing to this thread long enough for me to make any kind of personal decision on you).

I’ll agree with that, I do not think you realize what you wrote. ha ha

and in the english language you should not use two negatives in the same sentence. It must be a Nam thing.

 

[phooney]

you got me, original post edited due to my typo

 

[Minnie31]

You used “Fatima” as evidence for your God. Correct??
You used the “resurrection” as evidence for your God. Correct??

So why can’t I use an act of god for my evidence???

Very good point!

 

[c659smith]

Very good point!

He can but not to put God to a test.

 

[Minnie31]

He can but not to put God to a test.

smith, do you think your god wants everyone to believe in him?

 

[lkddav]

Les
again no one asked for these events to occurr God made that decision.

Yawn !!!

What have you read in the bible that God will grant every whim when asked?

The four gospels.

Jesus will hear our prayers and sometimes the answer is no.

Yet another excuse…

What you are asking sounds exactly like what Satan asked Jesus to do in the dessert, see below.

And after He had fasted 40 days and 40 nights He then became hungry. And the tempter came and said to Him, “If you are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.” - Matthew 4:2-3

The real peril lay in Satan’s proposed reason for creating bread. That reason being “If you are the Son of God.” Satan was challenging Christ’s credentials.

Is this not what you are doing Les?

No, because the **** didn’t happen. It’s just a story.

Then the devil took Him into the holy city; and he had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Him, “If you are the Son of God throw yourself down. For it is written, ‘He will give His angels charge concerning you,’ and, 'On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.” - Matthew 4:5-6

Jesus said to him, “On the other hand it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’” - Matthew 4:7

Les are you trying to put God to the test like Satan?

No. I was proving your jesus is a liar and I have done that.

Les my faith does not crumble for what you ask has been asked before but by Satan to Jesus.

Just another excuse for your incompetent god.

It re-inforces my beliefs.

Smelling the bible reinforces your belief.

les

 

[lkddav]

Well that"s far from thre truth.

JESUS TURNED WATER INTO WINE.

JESUS TURNED WINE INTO HIS BLOOD.

I used the “big tooth smily”. I was kidding.

les

 

[Jonathan82]

Yawn !!!

The four gospels.

Yet another excuse…

No, because the **** didn’t happen. It’s just a story.

No. I was proving your jesus is a liar and I have done that.

Just another excuse for your incompetent god.

Smelling the bible reinforces your belief.

les

Do you live a happy life?

 

[c659smith]

I used the “big tooth smily”. I was kidding.

les

Thanks for the laugh was getting a little hot in here.

 

[c659smith]

Yawn !!!

The four gospels.

Yet another excuse…

No, because the **** didn’t happen. It’s just a story.

and that is because you are the all seeing eye and know that?

the four gospels well how about I give you an answer like the encyclopedia Britannica (where)

No. I was proving your jesus is a liar and I have done that.

Where did you do that? I will not put a test to God but if you wish to be my guest.

Just another excuse for your incompetent god.

Incompetent in what way?

Smelling the bible reinforces your belief.

I said all five senses can and have been used to prove God exists throught he Holy Spirit. A smell of roses where there is none,
les

 

[lkddav]

So why cant the Bible be fact to you?

Because it’s rediculous.

at least the New testament?

So, are you saying you know the OT is a bit far fetched?

It is a Historical record you know unless someone proves it was all a story but no one has. What makes the new testament so different than other historical writings of its time?

Historical records that are true do not include supernatural events.

Is it just because a man came back from the dead? after all if you believe in a god don’t you think coming from the dead wouldn’t be a problem?

That’s the problem. I don’t believe in your sky god.

You know those things were written so long ago like a lot of things wars etc and people may choose not to believe, but thats what faith is all about.

Faith is nothing but wishful thinking. Faith is a license you issue yourself to whip out when you want to believe something that is not true.

What about Demonic possession were the person speaks in different languages they never knew? and also affirms the existence of hell.

I think “demonic possessions” are evidence that people have mental illnesses that we may not fully understand.

Clearly it cannot be proven that Jesus is god but there is enough evidence to believe it. And I do.

If you believe it, you truly are working with faith because there is no evidence for god.

les

 

[lkddav]

Jesus’ Resurrection - Individual Decisions
The men who witnessed Jesus’ Resurrection testified to it with their lives. Their testimony,

To bad you have no evidence to prove this. It is a tear jerker story though.

les

 

[c659smith]

Because it’s rediculous.

So, are you saying you know the OT is a bit far fetched?

Historical records that are true do not include supernatural events.

That’s the problem. I don’t believe in your sky god.

Faith is nothing but wishful thinking. Faith is a license you issue yourself to whip out when you want to believe something that is not true.

I think “demonic possessions” are evidence that people have mental illnesses that we may not fully understand.

If you believe it, you truly are working with faith because there is no evidence for god.

les

Historical records that are true do not include supernatural events

Well that statement is not quite right

Example of Miracles Relating To The Rosary

Miracle of the Sun at Fatima, 1917 - The most well known miracle which is associated with the Rosary is the miracle related to the appearances of the Virgin Mary in Fatima, Portugal in 1917. Here three children claimed a lady appeared to them on multiple occasions, referring to herself as the “Lady of the Rosary”, asking that they “pray the Rosary every day” and asking the three children to give other messages to the people of the world. Since people would most likely not believe the children regarding these appearances, the “Lady of the Rosary” promised to perform a public miracle as proof. At her final appearance to the children in October 1917, over 70,000 people gathered at the site of the appearances in expectation of the miracle the children mentioned she would perform. That afternoon, an unexplainable miracle of the sun was experienced by over 70,000 people. This was printed in Fatima newspapers the following day which gave credence to the message the Virgin Mary gave to the three children. These appearances are very well documented should anyone like to read the incredible interviews with the people who were there. Newspaper articles and accounts from some of the people there the day of the miracle (including skeptics!) can be seen here.

Russians Pullout of Austria, 1948 - After World War ll. the Allies turned over Catholic Austria to communist Russia. For three years the Austrian people endured this tyranny. Then, a Franciscan priest, Father Petrus, remembered how the Christians although greatly outnumbered had defeated the Turks at the Battle of Lepanto through the Rosary, and he launched a Rosary crusade. Through it 70,000 people, one tenth of the Austrian population, pledged to say the Rosary daily for the Soviets to leave their country. Austria was valuable to the Russians because of its strategic location, rich mineral deposits and oil reserves. Yet on May 13, 1955, the anniversary of the first apparition of Our Lady at Fatima, the Russians signed the agreement to leave Austria, and they did so without one person being killed and without one shot being fired. It is the only time that the militant atheistic forces of Marxism have ever peacefully left a country in which they held power.
Military strategists and historians are baffled as to why the Russians pulled out. But we are not - it was the power of the Rosary. This is just one of countless stories about the power of the Rosary!

Rosary Miracle at Hiroshima - August 6th, 1945 - There was a home eight blocks (about 1 kilometer) from where the A-Bomb went off in Hiroshima Japan. This home had a church attached to it which was completely destroyed, but the home survived, and so did the eight German Jesuit missionaries who prayed the rosary in that house faithfully every day. See Miracle of the Rosary at Hiroshima.

The Country That Saved Itself - Brazil 1962 - In 1962 there was a looming threat of communist takeover in Brazil. A woman there named Dona Amelia Bastos was known to have formed a Rosary rally among the Brazilian women there to do their part in opposing the looming threat. Their goal was simply to pray the Rosary in large groups asking the Virgin Mary for help in opposing the Communist takeover which the President of Brazil was leaning toward at the time. In Belo Horizonte 20,000 women reciting the rosary aloud broke up a Communist rally. In Sao Paulo, 600,000 women praying the rosary in one of the most moving demonstrations in Brazilian history, caused the President of Brazil to flee the country and not a single death was encountered, sparing the country from Communist takeover.

Battle of Lepanto, 1591 - Before a large scale attack by the Ottoman Turks on an army of Christians in 1591, where the Christians were outnumbered three to one, the Rosary was prayed by all of the Christian soldiers and the Turks were miraculously defeated in the battle. To this day this victory has been attributed to the praying of the Rosary.

 

[lkddav]

Lets look at it from a logical point of view les. Lets just say for some reason you believe in god (we know you don’t) and God is all powerful and creator of everything (as is written) what makes you think that your logic is better than his? after all you wouldn’t be able to comprehend him hence he works in mysterious ways. So to all those nonbelievers that stopped believing because they saw pain and suffering and said life isn’t fair… well who are we to say after all when we judge him we are comparing ourselves to a God, the God, the one and only.

Hello Jonathan
Welcome to the thread!

No offense. I do not believe there is a logical point of view in believing in a invisible sky man.

I did not stop believing because i seen pain and suffering in the word. I stopped believing because I read the bible and found it to be ridiculous.

les

 

[lkddav]

Les,
When was the last time an abortion doctor was killed by a pro life advocate and how many were killed by a pro life Advocate?

It is more likely today that a peaeful demonstrator at an abortion clinic will be attacked or killed by a pro-choice candidate as they are quickly losing the battle of abortion on demand.

I can say that 50,000,000 babies lost their live to abortions.

I can say that thousands of women lost their lives to legal abortions.

I can say that tens of thousands of women committed suicide due to legal abortions.

Abortions hurt women.

No no one needs to kill an abortionist as they are their own demise and worst enemy.

This post has nothing to do with my post above.

I meant that people will do anything if they think god wants it.

You have a problem with abortion, don’t you ???

les

 

[lkddav]

And again we rely on faith, since there isn’t other evidence outside the Bible that I know of or simply we were not there to see it for ourselves. .

Jonathan

Could you please pass this along to c659smith.

Thank you.

les

 

[c659smith]

To bad you have no evidence to prove this. It is a tear jerker story though.

les

Why this is evidence in any sense of the word.

This is testimonial and eyewitness testimony that without motive for lying is acceptable in any court in the world.

Have you proven a motive for lying?

Death bed testimony is also admissable and the Apostles tortured and put to death in horrible fashion still proclaimed the ressurection and that Jesus was God. No motive there.

Now 12 men from different walks of life in different parts of the world could not be haiiucinating. I do not think there is eniugh stars in the Universe that could account for the odds of that occurring.

 

[lkddav]

and we do.

does the new testamnet depict the geographical locations that are being writtent? you betcha

does the new testament depict factual data on rulers for that time period written about?
you betcha

99% of the data that coincides as it relates to the times the bible was written relates to other historians not attributed or part of the bible…
it aggrees with most or all other historical data.

Oh but at your dismay the New Testament does depict the history of the times as scholors have agreed and with that makes the bible as a book credible under the definition of evidence.

659

Stop it !! Your answering your own posts.