I am an atheist thread 3

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lkddav said:
This post has nothing to do with my post above. :rolleyes:

I meant that people will do anything if they think god wants it.
You have a problem with abortion, don’t you ???

les
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Now you made a statement that people who think they hear God will do awful things. that was the context that I saw.

the word there above is will.

Not true

Now if you want to say that some mis-guided ppeople who believe they hear God have done awful thing such as killing an abortionist I will agree.

To answer your question I do believe that abortion is murder.

This is one area with you being a total realist and one who uses science should surely agree.

A human embryo is human life as stated by science.

rationalization should not be a a matter of fact for you.

black and white is a baby in the womb a human life yes or no. science says yes.

It is life and it is human.
 
c659smith said:
DO YOU WANT ME TO POST HOW MANY TIMES YOU HAVE ASKED FOR MY SOURCES BY YOU ALONE. AS A RESULT I POST THEM DIRECTLY RATHER THAN BOTHERING WITH A DOZEN POSTS RELATING TO ONE POST SO YOU CAN CONFUSE THE ISSUES.

personally I think that you cannot stand the heat in the kitchen and know I have proven my case that Jesus existed on this forum and am placing credible evidence that He was God.

It is you who spew nothing and have not in any way or form shown anything to disprove that a God exists.

Tell me one thing you have contributed to this forum other than B.S.
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HOLY SH–’ THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK.

BUUUHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAAHHAHAHHAA

Phoony is one of the more intelligent people posting on this thread and you of all people say he is full of B.S.

It’s official. You are a nutcase. 👍

les
 
lkddav said:
So, what do you think these miracles will be?

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I do have an opinion on this and that is that many supernatural things are shown us in our lifetime.

Intuition; knowing that a friend or relative has died and finding your fears are correct.

That an immoral means to get to an end does not justfy ones actions.

That we are tempted to be our own god and that we can control totally our own destiny.

For we all know through life’s hard knocks that we are never in total control.

There will be an anti Christ and for a while if we follow him and take his deceptions and meaning less miracles will for awhile have world peace and possibly conquer death in the short term.
Giving us the perception of having total control.
But this will be short lived and Lucifers deceptions and lies will be revealed as it is he that wants control as he wanted to do in heaven.
Jesus will then come down from heaven, swiping evil from the planet and reign on earth after defeating evil with man once again at his side.

This is blind faith in the true sense that if I renain loyal to Jesus He will not let me fall to eternal darkness but everlasting life. this cannot be proved.
 
c659smith said:
you will see though maybe in your lifetime similar miracles being done but it will not be of a God but Lucifer.
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Interesting…

First, I thought miracles were positive things.
Second, I didn’t know that satan had the power to perform such acts, I thought that they were solely the work of an omnipotent god. At least that’s what I got from my catholic education.
 
c659smith said:
To answer your question I do believe that abortion is murder.
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I don’t.
A human embryo is human life as stated by science.
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At the moment of conception human DNA starts to form. That DNA must be human. That embryo has the Potential of becoming a human.
black and white is a baby in the womb a human life yes or no. science says yes.
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I personally believe that in the first eight weeks it only has the potential of becoming a human being.
It is life and it is human.
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It may be human DNA but will it become a life?

As far as abortion goes, I believe a woman should have the right to do as she wishes with her own body. It doesn’t matter whether she is pregnant or not.

I cannot see making laws that gives others the right to tell a woman what she will do with her own body when those people will never walk in her shoes.

I have heard abortion argued my entire life. The fact is that abortions are going to happen regardless of what laws are passed. If they are going to happen I think it is better that they be performed in a safe manner.
 
lkddav said:
HOLY SH–’ THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK.

BUUUHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAAHHAHAHHAA

Phoony is one of the more intelligent people posting on this thread and you of all people say he is full of B.S.

It’s official. You are a nutcase. 👍

les
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I do not ask you to prove something here from 2000 years ago just to show one of his or your posts that were constructive in proving or disproving there is a God other than feelings. you have not shown one shred of evidence to disprove the simplest of evidence I have brought forth.

Testimony, eye witness accounts, the Shroud of Tourin, The miracle of the Eucharist, How a religion at the time never fired an arrow could take control of one of the greatest civilization known to man, How Christianity has overtaken the Jewish religion as the worlds largest and growing daily.

and the list of evidence went on

No scientific evidence by you to dispel the miracles such as Fatima witnessed by 70,000 only conjecture.

How the crusification of Christ was foretold a thousand years before it was ever invented.

and the list of evidence went on

Why 12 Apostles with no motive would be imprisoned, tortured, and killed for a lie of the ressurection

Why even today many Saints that have died several hundred years ago till present without any mumification are not dust or rotting.

and the list of evidence went on.

i have disproved the concept of evolution as you have no facts. science is still dumb founded and you have no facts or proof that the universe was not created only conjecture.

I have proiven that atheism is living in the present with total disregard for history as for your own words if you cannot see it, touch it, smell it, hear it, or taste it ( the 5 senses) in your opinion it does not exist and there is no evidence exists to the contrary.

You cannot disprove God does not exist and the rule of evidence is that if you cannot disprove evidence already founded than that evidence stands.

There are nut cases in this forum but it is not me.
 
Minnie31 said:
Interesting…

First, I thought miracles were positive things.
Second, I didn’t know that satan had the power to perform such acts, I thought that they were solely the work of an omnipotent god. At least that’s what I got from my catholic education.
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Satan has power and that power right now is here on earth and that is in your Catholic teachings

from the cathechism

II. The Fall of the Angels

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Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church’s Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called “Satan” or the "devil."267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268

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Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This “fall” consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter’s words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil “has sinned from the beginning”; he is "a liar and the father of lies."271

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It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels’ sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272

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Scripture witnesses to the disastrous influence of the one Jesus calls “a murderer from the beginning,” who would even try to divert Jesus from the mission received from his Father.273 "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil."274 In its consequences the gravest of these works was the mendacious seduction that led man to disobey God.

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The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, **powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, **but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God’s reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries—of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature—to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him."275
 
What about Demonic possession were the person speaks in different languages they never knew? and also affirms the existence of hell.

I think “demonic possessions” are evidence that people have mental illnesses that we may not fully understand.

Les I don’t recall a mental illness were you can speak multiple languages. and I have the DSMIV right here.🤷

I am new to becoming a practicing Catholic so the old testament does seem far fetched but thats ok because I’m not Jewish. I don’t believe all of the OT but I do believe the commandments. No I don’t believe that a person got swallowed by a fish and spent 3 days and 3 nights in the belly(OT) but at the same time we have to understand this was written long ago by people who describe things differently than us.
 
Minnie31 said:
I asked this question under post #1545, but perhaps you overlooked it…do you think your god wants everyone to believe in him?
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Yes He does and has shown that through sending His Son Jesus as promised to us.

He does not though just as the Angels another of His creation force himself on anyone and allows free will for what is love if it is demanded from another. I call that slavery.

He has given signs and miracles throughout history to attest to presence but man tempted by the devil and wanting to control his own destiny and wanting to be his own creator turns their back on his love.
 
c659smith said:
Why this is evidence in any sense of the word.

This is testimonial and eyewitness testimony that without motive for lying is acceptable in any court in the world.

Have you proven a motive for lying?

Death bed testimony is also admissable and the Apostles tortured and put to death in horrible fashion still proclaimed the ressurection and that Jesus was God. No motive there.

Now 12 men from different walks of life in different parts of the world could not be haiiucinating. I do not think there is eniugh stars in the Universe that could account for the odds of that occurring.
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Les in your case where if you cannot see it, hear it, taste it, feel it, or smell it I have no evidence for you. But then again no one would have evidence for you that it rained a hundred years ago in NEW YORK CITY.
 
phooney said:
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For the Atheist on this site in the area of your soul I will pray for you.

For you have knowledge of God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
and have rejected Him and if continuing on this route will only lead you to darkness.

It is for God to Judge but by rejecting Jesus you reject His mercy.

I for one if judged would lose that court case as I am a sinner and am not perfect.

If I am wrong that God exists then I have lost nothing.

On the other hand if you are wrong that God does not exist then you have lost everything.

Atheism as a whole is a bad bet.

the nut here has spoken.
 
For the Atheist on this site in the area of your soul I will pray for you.

For you have knowledge of God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
and have rejected Him and if continuing on this route will only lead you to darkness.

It is for God to Judge but by rejecting Jesus you reject His mercy.

I for one if judged would lose that court case as I am a sinner and am not perfect.

If I am wrong that God exists then I have lost nothing.

On the other hand if you are wrong that God does not exist then you have lost everything.

Atheism as a whole is a bad bet.
 
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