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“No, I mean you have not demonstrated that there is an equal chance that there is a god, and no god.”

Didn’t you understand my post? You would NEVER accept anything I could offer. However, I believe that you might accept YOUR proof.You misunderstand. What I mean is that it is wrong to suggest that there is an equal chance, when there has been no evidence presented that suggests that the existence of a god or gods is likely.
“Nope, I meant that I ‘know’ the bible is a load of stories - fiction - and fantastic fiction at that.
How can I believe it when it is so clearly wrong in so many ways?”
If you NEVER reconciled yourself with God as you understand Him, I would never make a judgement against you either way…Good Bye for now.
Everything you suggest starts with believing in a god. I can’t start there because I find it laughable nonsense. If you had something else to say, other than accusing me of being angry, I would be glad to listen. You have only your god, or something like it, to offer (or that is all you have offered here).
 
Everything you suggest starts with believing in a god. I can’t start there because I find it laughable nonsense. If you had something else to say, other than accusing me of being angry, I would be glad to listen. You have only your god, or something like it, to offer (or that is all you have offered here).

Okay. Fair enough. What would you care to discuss other than God, the bible, or how you may or may not feel?
 
My 14 year old has decided he is now atheist:( I know he is searching and confused (welcome to the teen years). Because I ONCE was an atheist, I am aware of all the “logic” he tries to use in support of this. When I point out how ILL-logical being an atheist is, he just says that being a Christian is too hard and not believing in easier and more fun:eek:

like me, there will come a time when the emptiness of being an atheist will be overwhelming, and that is when he will return to the fold of God’s love and mercy.

Being an atheist is indeed easy, no going to Church, no praying, etc…but there will come a time when all that “Easy” will feel empty. Just believing that when we die that is IT seems so dark, empty of hope. I know, I was once there.

I pray for my son and for all atheist who are lost, even though they may not feel lost at the moment.

The Joy and Peace of soul in believing and knowing our Lord far outweighs the nothingless of atheism. Its OTHERWORLDLY:thumbsup:
It’s my experience that 14 and 15-year olds don’t have the mental capacity to think things through like this. In fact, physically, the brain is not matured fully until a person reaches the age of 25. Just make sure that he attends church with the family whether he likes it or not. It’s something a Christian family DOES, it’s not a choice.
 
Nope, I meant that I ‘know’ the bible is a load of stories - fiction - and fantastic fiction at that.
How can I believe it when it is so clearly wrong in so many ways?
Sorry A, but this is a total dodge on your part. You were responding to Schultzz and the discussion was about believing in God, and not about accepting the bible. This is the second time you’ve made a positive assertion that God does not exist.

Prove it.
 
Sorry A, but this is a total dodge on your part. You were responding to Schultzz and the discussion was about believing in God, and not about accepting the bible. This is the second time you’ve made a positive assertion that God does not exist.

Prove it.
Thank you for noticing. I also have noticed something. Look at the number of your post. (Subtle sign)?
 
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I said there was not enough evidence for the Christian God. If the evidence was enough everyone would be Christians.

When Christians start scrutinizing their own god like they do everyone else’s, they’ll become Atheists.

les
Good grief, and you expect to be taken seriously? :rotfl:
 
Everything you suggest starts with believing in a god. I can’t start there because I find it laughable nonsense. If you had something else to say, other than accusing me of being angry, I would be glad to listen. You have only your god, or something like it, to offer (or that is all you have offered here).

Okay. Fair enough. What would you care to discuss other than God, the bible, or how you may or may not feel?
What was the last book you read that was just for fun? For me it was ‘Offshore’. A story about houseboaters.
Funny how that happened, hey?
All right, I shall include your name in my “Acknowledgements” section.
Swell!
Sorry A, but this is a total dodge on your part. You were responding to Schultzz and the discussion was about believing in God, and not about accepting the bible. This is the second time you’ve made a positive assertion that God does not exist.

Prove it.
The god that is described in the bible is complete nonsense. Of course I can’t prove that a god doesn’t exist, but there are enough contradictions in the bible as to make it laughable.
Thank you for noticing. I also have noticed something. Look at the number of your post. (Subtle sign)?
Are you a numerologist?
 
I think The Great Doctor said it best: “To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”

As a “Former Atheist” i can relate to all of the arguments i have seen propped up so far. Maybe im an Enigma but as i learn more about Science, Astronomy (Heck even my major Software Engineering) the more i feel that there is a God. If anything to me Expanded Human Knowledge merely reaffirms my faith…not threaten it.

~Fletch
 
Well it seems like you are asking me to put into Words Faith, which is something that i have yet been able to find the words for. Honestly, Reading over what i have written from my “Athiestic Days” i would have laughed and called myself a total tool. What changed my opinion (Or at least started too) was being alone at night in Edmonton and watching the Northern Lights play out across the sky and hearing the Coyotes howl (Campy John Denver stuff eh?)
Yes i know what causes an Aurora (Magnetic Fields etc etc…), and i also used to be an avid Reader of Richard Dawkins (I Still think i have my copy of “The God dilemma” lying around somewhere)
And no i wasn’t raised in a “Christian Household” (Well…sort of, we stopped attending church when i was about Nine, and that was only enough time for me to be Baptized and partake in the Eucharist) so 7th Heaven my life wasn’t. But there are miracles, things science cant explain
Such as Our Lady of Lourdes, and the Sun Dancing at Fatima. The Shroud of Turin is another Example

~Fletch
 
Well it seems like you are asking me to put into Words Faith, which is something that i have yet been able to find the words for.
I think ‘action based on belief’ covers it well enough.
Honestly, Reading over what i have written from my “Athiestic Days” i would have laughed and called myself a total tool. What changed my opinion (Or at least started too) was being alone at night in Edmonton and watching the Northern Lights play out across the sky and hearing the Coyotes howl (Campy John Denver stuff eh?)
I see the aurora many nights.(about one out of three, when we have ‘night’ here) It would be foolish to invent some cause for this beauty when there are reasonable causes present for it. Next you will try to say that a rainbow should convince me of the existence of your god.
By the way, how do you jump from beauty to belief in the god you were force-fed as a child?
i also used to be an avid Reader of Richard Dawkins (I Still think i have my copy of “The God dilemma” lying around somewhere)
It looks like you haven’t even finished reading the title. It is called ‘The God Delusion’.
But there are miracles, things science cant explain
Such as Our Lady of Lourdes,
If this is such convincing evidence of your god, why doesn’t everyone believe? Why are there not peer-reviewed studies of the place? Why are no amputees getting healed there?
and the Sun Dancing at Fatima.
Just because a bunch of people are said to have hallucinated at one spot doesn’t mean much when the rest of the world did not report a dancing sun that day (you do know that it is the same sun, don’t you?)
The Shroud of Turin is another Example
An example of what, exactly? Your gods existence? Or an example of an oddly stained cloth. If it were found to be a fake, would you stop believing, or just go find a new example?
Computers, chess, and fishing. 🙂
I just got a few new boards from www.chess.ca and I am hoping to create a tournament among the (admittedly few) interested people around here. Perhaps a big juicy prize will get more participation…I haven’t thought of one I can afford on a modest income which would have tremendous appeal. Any ideas? I think the young are easier targets, as most adults can get their own prizes…The modest sum I can contribute would have more appeal among the unemployed, I guess…:o

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The god that is described in the bible is complete nonsense. Of course I can’t prove that a god doesn’t exist, but there are enough contradictions in the bible as to make it laughable.
I would like to say “nice try,” but this doesn’t even qualify for that kind of response. Please be advised that in the earlier threads your contentions about the bible were answered.

It is time for you to disprove the existence of God since you have made positive assertions stating that “there is no God.” I am merely holding you to the same level of proof that you wish to hold believers to. So let’s hear it.
 
I would like to say “nice try,” but this doesn’t even qualify for that kind of response. Please be advised that in the earlier threads your contentions about the bible were answered.

It is time for you to disprove the existence of God since you have made positive assertions stating that “there is no God.” I am merely holding you to the same level of proof that you wish to hold believers to. So let’s hear it.
I believe that Jupiter and Juno exist, because the sacred books tell me so, and because Rome exists, founded by Aeneas, at the will of the gods.

If you disagree, then it’s time for you to prove they don’t exist. Let’s hear it…
 
I think it wouldn’t help, because what you have is not evidence, but personal belief. You had a remarkable thing happen, and you likely attributed it to a god, but humans have a predisposition to believe, so if I were you, I would be hyper-critical of anything that gains access to your belief.
You looked for a supernatural answer for a long time. You also must have assumed there was such an answer. Joining the military is also a good step toward being brainwashed. I hope you can escape your shackles.
The god described by the bible is an immature bully, and not a very good one at that.
Find better heroes to follow, and you will live a better life.
That is one of the ‘insidious’ but most surprising things about God: He works personally through the lives of individuals. Why? Because it is a transformation of the individual from the inside-out that transforms the reality around him or her, and that transformation is what brings His love into the world. Just read your own posts and see how miserable you appear in here. You are at the end of your intellectual rope and covering everything up because of your seeming thinking of knowing all there is to know. But life changes. Pray that you do too.
 
I would like to say “nice try,” but this doesn’t even qualify for that kind of response. Please be advised that in the earlier threads your contentions about the bible were answered.

It is time for you to disprove the existence of God since you have made positive assertions stating that “there is no God.” I am merely holding you to the same level of proof that you wish to hold believers to. So let’s hear it.
OK, describe which god you mean and I will start. The contentions I made about the bible were answered, if you mean someone said I didn’t understand, but here is a simple one - there was no great flood as described in the bible.
That is fiction, as is the rest of it.
I believe that Jupiter and Juno exist, because the sacred books tell me so, and because Rome exists, founded by Aeneas, at the will of the gods.

If you disagree, then it’s time for you to prove they don’t exist. Let’s hear it…
Thanks, I was hoping someone would make this point, since Pax seems to forget that I made it before. How about it, Pax, can you disprove the flying spaghetti monster? If you can’t, he has just as much veracity as your god. (whichever one that is)
That is one of the ‘insidious’ but most surprising things about God: He works personally through the lives of individuals. Why? Because it is a transformation of the individual from the inside-out that transforms the reality around him or her, and that transformation is what brings His love into the world.** **In other words, you just take all the credit for all the good in the world and heap it upon your invented invisible man in the sky.
**Just read your own posts and see how miserable you appear in here.**I am far from miserable, but I know it makes some believers feel better to think that I am not ‘truly’ happy because I don’t share their restrictions. If we are to believe you when you say that you are happy, then we must also believe me when I say I am.
** You are at the end of your intellectual rope and covering everything up because of your seeming thinking of knowing all there is to know. **On the contrary, I don’t claim to know a lot. It is the believer who claims to know many things which they cannot know. To me it is at least dishonest.
But life changes. Pray that you do too.
You pray for me and I will think for both of us.
Prayer is a way of doing nothing but feeling like you are helping.Have fun with it.
 
My friend is an agnostic, and I annoy her with talk of religion and whatnot. Do you have any suggestions?

Also, I have a Wiccan friend, who used to be Catholic. I have told her that I respect her for her beliefs, and will not try and force mine down her throat. I pray for her to come back to God, but I dunno how to convince her Christianity is the truth.
 
My friend is an agnostic, and I annoy her with talk of religion and whatnot. Do you have any suggestions?

Also, I have a Wiccan friend, who used to be Catholic. I have told her that I respect her for her beliefs, and will not try and force mine down her throat. I pray for her to come back to God, but I dunno how to convince her Christianity is the truth.
Why should you feel compelled to convince them of anything?

I like my friends because of the kind of people they are. I can’t be bothered to care if they agree with my choice of foundation myths and God(s).

If you have a friend, be his or her friend. Don’t be a missionary. That ruins friendships.
 
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