Just as many people have seen these contradictions so numbers of yrs make up for nothing at all…
The First Cause is by its nature without cause. Surely you can see that. Whether it is God or anything else, there must be a First Cause which was uncaused.
The problem is, everything I would offer as evidence, you would reject as evidence. Now, what evidence can you offer that the universe came into existence “on its own”?
We must start from what we agree on. We agree that something exists. It could be the universe, or it could be just your own consciousness imagining the universe, but since you are aware, something must exist.
But whatever it is (and remember, it must be, if anything exists), you accept its existence without proof, without evidence.A priest is supposed to be the channel to God, The idea that if we cant trust him then we have nothing…
Can you prove that (first, I think you need to define ‘worship’)? Or did you just pull it out of your opinion pile?
According to the bible (which you are welcome to treat as fiction - we all do to a point) your god created suffering.
Then they are also claiming to be smarter than an entire nation of people over 5000 years. It’s not a very convincing claim. So we should consider whether another, more reasonable answer can explain the seeming contradictions.
Are you suggesting that this statement proves you are right? Rather, to make such a statement makes me think you have run out of arguments and are going to resort to emotionalism.
No more than you could point at me and shout TROTSKYITE and have me shot. Let’s keep the discussion on a reasonable plane, OK?
Yes, but I never assumed an entire nation over 5000 years was so stupid they couldn’t see a blatant contradiction when it stared them in the face.
In answer to your questions - No, no, I hope not! and that’s your opinion.
Saying ‘there must be a First Cause’ is not proving it. It is an assumption I wont make with you.
I am not making such a claim.
To paraphrase, (I would say) ‘I am’. If that is what you mean, we agree this far.
I don’t see anywhere you have shown that this is the case, you have merely asserted that it is true.
Man’s inhumanity to man is not God’s doing.
I thought that you believed that the universe and everything in it were your gods doing.
Who’s “you”? You’re not quoting me here…
But we can sgree that he can do something especialy as they are his servants who are doing it??
Thats mostly other peoples views not yours.
My point is merely that if you are going to stand by the position that your god created everything, and give him credit for everything, then he gets credit for the rotten stuff too.
Nevermind First Cause then, and focus on First Explanation. The essence of science is that it explains things in terms of more fundamental things, wouldn’t you agree? But what explains those more fundamental things? If and when we arrive at the Grand Unified Theory, what will explain why the world works that way? What will explain the existence and behavior of the terms in the theory?
If these men are smart, they will pay here on earth and sincerely attempt to repent of their sins from their locked cells. If they do not, Christ will deal with them.
According to your belief, he created humans to the best of his ability.
Although I have dear friends who are atheists, I do not understand their viewpoint, and they do not understand mine. We love and respect each other despite our differences, and they always say thank you when I tell them I pray for them.