I am an out gay man. Ask me anything.

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Exalt said:
I honestly don’t know if I can. I value cooperation and respect for their own sake. Is there a reason that I should seek a value beyond them?
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Respect for what? Do you see any need for private property? If you are disabled and bedridden, yet I am the town doctor in Exaltville. Your blood type matches mine, and I could use your kidneys. Is there any reason not to compel you to give them to me? How would a judicial system work under your terms? Would the merit of any potential crime be judged on the basis of “cooperation and respect”? What if I own the kidneys in question, and I don’t want to cooperate? Further I don’t respect the town decision to take my kidneys from me? Does that constitute a bad moral act?
 
Excuse me for asking why evolution is being brought up in this thread when it is currently under ban?
 
Peepers said:
Respect for what? Do you see any need for private property? If you are disabled and bedridden, yet I am the town doctor in Exaltville. Your blood type matches mine, and I could use your kidneys. Is there any reason not to compel you to give them to me? How would a judicial system work under your terms? Would the merit of any potential crime be judged on the basis of “cooperation and respect”? What if I own the kidneys in question, and I don’t want to cooperate? Further I don’t respect the town decision to take my kidneys from me? Does that constitute a bad moral act?
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Excuse me, but how do these questions relate to a person being gay?
 
Peepers said:
Respect for what? Do you see any need for private property? If you are disabled and bedridden, yet I am the town doctor in Exaltville. Your blood type matches mine, and I could use your kidneys. Is there any reason not to compel you to give them to me? How would a judicial system work under your terms? Would the merit of any potential crime be judged on the basis of “cooperation and respect”? What if I own the kidneys in question, and I don’t want to cooperate? Further I don’t respect the town decision to take my kidneys from me? Does that constitute a bad moral act?
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hey PEEPERS, you are not being rational?:o
 
StrawberryJam said:
Excuse me for asking why evolution is being brought up in this thread when it is currently under ban?
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Well, in my post, I was not discussing the merits of the theory of evolution at all. I was merely accepting it as true, as the OP believes it to be (as do I, albeit with certain modifications!).
 
dcana said:
Did you ever really and objectively, using your scientific standards, evaluate homosexuality? You know that evolution and natural selection has produced human bodies with very well-designed and well-ordered functionality. Without getting graphic, do you see that homosexual sex is using the human body for purposes it was not designed for, whether you believe that “an invisible man,” as you say, designed it, or merely millions of years of random genetic mutation and the weeding out of “undesirables” by natural selection “designed it”? The human body is really quite amazing. It’s complexity is utterly mind boggling and I can guarantee you that human ingenuity will never produce anything even remotely as complex. Scientifically speaking, I can show you, as you yourself are well aware, how evolution has produced complementarity between a man’s body and a woman’s body, from the viewpoint of both anatomy and physiology. Such complementarity does not exist between a man’s body and another man’s body.
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I have no idea why homosexuality exists. Truthfully, I haven’t given the specific question of the genesis of homosexuality much thought.

That being said, homosexuality does exist, and there’s some cause for it’s existence. Maybe it’s something like a vestigial organ, or perhaps propensity to homosexuality is a ‘side effect’ of some other genetically advantageous trait. I don’t know. I don’t believe that there is a scientific consensus on the issue. To me, the question of where homosexuality comes from wasn’t important when it comes to what I’m going to do about it personally.
dcana said:
On to other things:

In one post you said, “What is accurate is that I rejected what I’d been taught about sexuality, and the truth of orthodox Catholicism.” It seems you rejected more than orthodox Catholicism, since you say that you do not believe in God. From your post #100, your loss of belief in God and your acceptance of your “lifestyle” around 2006 seemed to occur hand-in-hand. Is this true? If so, why do you think this is?
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All of that is correct. They occurred at about the same time, within the same 6 month period or so. Why did it all happen at once? Well, it’s important to note that the seeds of doubt were sown a long time before that. I had been internally skeptical of a number of particular Catholic doctrines, but accepted them on faith. I eventually couldn’t bring myself to believe in one particular one, and the others came crashing down soon after, like a house of cards.
dcana said:
In your experience, have you found that atheism seems to be more widespread among homosexuals than among heterosexuals?
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Definitely.
dcana said:
It is interesting that you say you are an atheist who believes in objective truth. Never met one of those before, but I don’t get out much!
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Really? Every single atheist I’ve ever encountered has professed a belief in objective truth. Most of us find relativism and solipsism and similar ideas to be abhorrent.
I noticed that you referenced the Bible a couple of times. You said, “I’m partial to John’s declaration that I shall know the truth, and the truth shall set me free.” and “What John’s gospel says about truth is one of the most profound insights ever thought, in my opinion. I just disagree with St. John on what the truth is.” Do you not believe that Jesus Christ spoke these words?
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  1. Do you believe that a man named Jesus of Nazareth ever existed?
  2. If so, do you believe that he said, “I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life?” Do you believe that he said, “I have come from the Father” and “the Father and I are one” and “I have come not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me?” Do you believe that he said we should pray, “Our Father, who art in heaven…?”
  3. If you believe these things, what is your opinion of Jesus of Nazareth? What is your opinion of him if you don’t believe he said anything like this or made any other reference to an “all-knowing being up in the sky somewhere.” That would be odd for him not to believe in God, since he was Jewish. I’m pretty sure that Jews believe in God.
  4. What would you say to him if you could talk to him? What would you like to ask him?
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God’s Blessings
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  1. I’m not sure.
  2. I have no idea. There’s no way to know for sure. The manuscripts you’re referencing were originally written decades after the man would have existed.
  3. I don’t know anything about the actual man. I know a lot about the *character *Jesus, as portrayed in various different gospels and as referenced in the epistles. But the actual man himself? I know far more about Antonin Scalia than Jesus of Nazareth.
  4. I’d probably tell him what Christians say about him now, and ask him what he thought.
 
Hi Exalt,

What is your opinion on abortion?

Did your opinion change?

Thank you. 🙂
 
I am interested in your life before you came out. How do you feel about yourself and your attractions before then? If so, how was your life harder than before you came out? Did you suspect that other people would find out before you came out?

Liberty is the reason we do many things. If I am correct (and correct me if I’m wrong), you came out because you felt that if you did you would experience freedom. You wouldn’t have to hide your feelings anymore. You would be free to follow your desires. You wouldn’t be “trapped” anymore. Trust me, as someone with SSA I know the feeling. Such a course of action has been rather appealing to me since high school when I became aware of my attractions.

But I’ve found it unappealing for many reasons. I could not remove from my mind the fact that if there was a Creator, that he created male and female. Just by looking at them, you can see, as many have mentioned that they are “made” for each other. Simply because two men and two female can come together doesn’t mean they should or that it was His intention. The most striking truth to me is the ability of (most) male and female relationships to beget children. I am in awe at the wondrous process which never ceases to amaze me. It seems common sense to me that the begetting of children is the proper end of sex (not pleasure). I don’t need the Church to tell me that. No wonder people pay so much money for contraception just to stop the process from happening.

My conception of liberty is to follow the created order which I know the Creator intended. True liberty for me is to have increasing control over my desires such that I can love people from a pure heart.

I, like you my good friend, do not know why I have homosexual feelings. We did not choose them. At times its difficult to understand and we would prefer to have things a different way. But I think that in my homosexuality God is calling me to a single life of service to Him and His Church. My homosexuality has undoubtedly helped increase my awareness of the transcendental at such a young age. Being different has cause me to turn to higher things. I think it has to do with the fact that I’m not pursuing any romantic relationships and so I consider God as my True Love (like the mystics, I guess).
 
We have over 170 posts on this thread in one day? Am I hallucinating that? Wow!?
 
Exalt said:
That’s a tough question. My honest answer is this: Having lived it for a time, I think it’s unfortunate. A celibate person really does miss out on so much. There’s something about romantic relationships that you can’t really experience elsewhere, and I feel bad that they’re missing out on a very important part of being human.
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I am actually quite interested in this response because its quite true. Most certainly, a celibate person does miss out on romantic relationships, a very important part of being human. But forgoing things is a fact of life. Some people forgo things because they have to and others forgo them because they want to. But in either case they do so because they want something more important to them than the thing they forgo. An eighteen year old girl who chooses not to go to college immediately after high school is undeniably missing an extremely important experience (if she goes later she will not have the same experience). But she considers being with her mother in her time of need more important. Likewise, yes, a celibate person is missing a really great experience, but they are doing it because they consider closeness and rightness with God more important.

I think our cultures treatment of romance is highly influential. Practically everyone is either in a romantic relationship or pursuing one. That’s not to say it’s a bad thing but there’s a pressure to get involved in some way since everyone’s doing it. It’s like being at home when almost everyone in your class is at a party. You feel like you’re missing out. At least that’s how I feel. But I remind myself of the bigger picture that I’m an individual and it is not an innate necessity to do everything that everyone else is doing.
 
dcana said:
Well, in my post, I was not discussing the merits of the theory of evolution at all. I was merely accepting it as true, as the OP believes it to be (as do I, albeit with certain modifications!).
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Got it!

Just wondering why the topic was connected somehow? Many people accept evolution with or without the modifications that have no experience with homosexuality or could be asexual…
You know what I mean.
 
Yeah, I guess it would get more press than gurney’s “I’m a Star Trek fan, guitarist, married with three kids, live in California, and am a vegetarian who hates Sarah Palin, ask me anything!” 😃
StrawberryJam said:
This is a hot topic after all. If someone said I am an out prophet. Ask me anything.

What do you think the count would be in a day?
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I posted a question a few posts back, but I was hoping to ask another question. Based on what I’ve read of your posts, I gather that you believe you did not choose to be gay but rather your homosexuality is innate.

Do you believe the same can be said of pedophiliacs: that they do not choose to be attracted to young children but are just wired that way and cannot change their attraction?
 
roseofshannon said:
Hi Exalt,

What is your opinion on abortion?

Did your opinion change?

Thank you. 🙂
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I think we have really hit a low here on Caf for anyone to think that a particular gay man speaks for all gay men on abortion or stem cell research or just about any dogmatic or non dogmatic matter.
There are agnostics with catholic leanings that don’t agree with my position on cheese in a can.
It’s not an important matter to waste time over.
One day, and if not in my lifetime but in my niece’s lifetime I expect that many of these things argued so very passionately over will be resolved quite nicely with Science. The candle in the darkness.
The Demon Haunted World is a book everyone should at least read once in their lives.
Some things have become clearer to us than at that time, as should be expected.
Some things, never change
 
Exalt said:
I actively seek relationships (one at a time, of course) with other men. I do not attempt to remain celibate. In fact, I make an effort to have what I consider to be a fulfilling, healthy sex life.
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I am somewhat baffled by your curious questioning about Catholic theology.you openly admit to having sex with men, that according to the Catholic catechism IS a mortal sin.‘Mortal sin is committed with full knowledge of the sinner’ you apparently are unrepentant in regards to being actively involved in gay sex, so that is clear to me…you do not share my faith in the Catholic church.So why are you posting? why? are you trying to enlighten me? I would rather be a martyr then doubt the word of The vicar of Christ, so everything in the catechism is the word of God, that in my opinion is faith.Faith is believing even in something I can not comprehend.May I ask what your opinion is in regards to Catholicism? the Pope? I understand you are not a represenative of gay america:)
 
I’m just going out on a limb here and I doubtless will get a royal smackdown for asking this but here goes anyway—is this thread just a case of trolling with way too many people taking the bait?🤷
 
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