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Bradski
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I think you’re confusing wisdom and knowledge.
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Peter_Plato
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Wisdom is proper use of knowledge.
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Aloysium
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Truth is like that - basic fact/reality, taken on faith/intuition/knowledge/common sense like the belief in the existence of a rational universe that is understandable. Not everyone accepts this btw.
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Peter_Plato
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Certainly not any more circular than someone who claims all truth is subjective, as if the truth of things is simply a matter of a subject declaring things to be true.
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Peter_Plato
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On a side note, Bradski, do you still think the value or worth of one person’s life can be outweighed by what is merely convenient for another person?
If I recall correctly, you could not concede that the life of one person is inherently more valuable than the mere convenience of another because you anticipated it would jeopardize your position on abortion. I can find the thread.
That principle not being established in your mind, then it would seem awkward, at least, for you to not accept “it would have been inconvenient” as a defense from the parent of a child they knew would commit multiple murders later in life.
If I recall correctly, you could not concede that the life of one person is inherently more valuable than the mere convenience of another because you anticipated it would jeopardize your position on abortion. I can find the thread.
That principle not being established in your mind, then it would seem awkward, at least, for you to not accept “it would have been inconvenient” as a defense from the parent of a child they knew would commit multiple murders later in life.
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Bradski
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Who is saying ‘it would have been inconvenient’ and in relation to what aspect of the son/serial killer scenario? My apologies, but I’m not sure I’m getting the point you are making.
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Bradski
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Not all truth is subjective. Remember your red car and the pen on my desk?
I’d rather you didn’t keep constantly misrepresenting my position. It becomes something of a pain in the arse having to correct you all the time. I’d appreciate you correcting your comment.
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Peter_Plato
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So you don’t think it is objectively true that most human beings experience the particular part of the electromagnetic spectrum reflected by the paint on my car as the colour red?
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Bradski
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I repeat: Not all truth is subjective. We’ve been down this track enough times before for you to know exactly what my position is. Again, I’d appreciate it if you corrected your post above.So you don’t think it is objectively true that most human beings experience the particular part of the electromagnetic spectrum reflected by the paint on my car as the colour red?
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oldcelt
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There is also a confusion…and has been…between fact, and truth. Truth involves a spiritual aspect…fact, does not. I go with fact…even as a Deist…which still involves an element of faith (truth).
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Bradski
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Well, Truth (upper case) always does (think of the exclamation, popular down here, of ‘struth’. Which should be written ‘s’Truth’ or more fully ‘God’s Truth’). As opposed to truth (lower case), which is generally associated with what someone considers to be a fact, be it an objective (pen on the desk) or subjective (killing is wrong).
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Bahman
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Wisdom is different from logical thinking the latter deals with facts while the first deals with the structured knowledge.
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Peter_Plato
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Yes, I see where you are going with this.
You may want to read this – on the difference between reification and hypostatization:
maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2013/01/reification-and-hypostatization-.html
I suspect there is an argument for Truth still to be developed (a la Aquina’s Five Ways) from relative truth to the need for absolute Truth.
What “relative” truth means is that the truth of a proposition is dependent or contingent upon another truth. I would suggest there cannot be an infinite regress of contingent truths because we would never arrive at the ground for believing anything to be true whatsoever without the existence of an absolute ground for Truth. Dependent (contingent or relative) truth depends upon absolute Truth to provide grounds for intellectual assent.
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Peter_Plato
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Logical thinking deals with facts, you say?
How do facts provide the basis for logic? They don’t. There is nothing more coherently and consistently structured than logic and logic is more math-like than it is dependent upon induction. Logic forms the structure for structured knowledge by providing the formalized method by which to organize knowledge and to verify it as “knowledge” in the first place.
I am not clear how your distinction adds anything to a clear understanding of the difference between knowledge and wisdom.
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Peter_Plato
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A brute fact, which, ipso facto, makes it the truth
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Bahman
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Facts are premises in logic.
They do.
That true.
As you mentioned the logic is based on induction. The wisdom is not based on induction. They are basically four mode knowledge, instinct, intuition, logical thinking and wisdom.
Knowledge is simply awareness from subject matter which can have different mode as it is illustrated in previous comment.
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PRmerger
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Knowledge is a justified belief held about a truth.
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Bahman
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Awareness from subject matter can only justify what we believe as truth.
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