I am confused about this idea of sex reassignment surgery

[theCardinalbird]

I am trying to comprehend where this idea that someone should transition from man to woman, woman to man, etc. I would like to (please) see the scientific data that states it is healthy for such a transition to take place and that these people (who should be given empathy as they are struggling with something) are not suffering from some sort of delusion.

Or I would like to see evidence for the opposite.

this is not a hate thread, I simply want answers about this controversial topic

 

[phil19034]

I don’t think you are going to find any real scientific data backing this up as healthy. Just ideological & politically correct “data.”

 

[theCardinalbird]

Just ideological & politically correct “data.”

But if that is the case then why is it permitted? Surely the scientific community would condemn such actions just as much as the Catholic Community.

 

[Alex337]

phil19034:

Just ideological & politically correct “data.”

But if that is the case then why is it permitted? Surely the scientific community would condemn such actions just as much as the Catholic Community.

Because that is his opinion on it.

Alternatively we can look at psychologists, psychiatrists, endocrinologists and therapists who believe that transitioning is a means of treating dysphoria. This will be what is called ideology. And there’s no way to dispute that claim as it’s pure opinion.

 

[OsculeturMeOsculo]

Biases are a thing in the scientific world.

 

[CatholicAMMO]

Yeah, good luck. There’s really no good reason to “transition.” God made them Male and Female. Original Sin tainted the natural order. The biggest challenge is for all to live chastely in a world torn at the “sexual seams” and still be loving to one another.

Stay Locked, Loaded, and Ready

http://www.wcatradio.com/fireaway.html

 

[theCardinalbird]

Alternatively we can look at psychologists, psychiatrists, endocrinologists and therapists who believe that transitioning is a means of treating dysphoria

Can you please forward me their work?

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

Alternatively we can look at psychologists, psychiatrists, endocrinologists and therapists who believe that transitioning is a means of treating dysphoria

Can you please forward me their work?

You don’t have Google? I’m on my phone but I can try. I’d also suggest you contact a gender centre if your country has them, they can provide information.

https://www.webpsychology.com/news/2015/05/15/best-ways-treat-gender-dysphoria-217566

 

[phil19034]

Can you please forward me their work?

here’s the problem with their work… for every psychologist, psychiatrist, endocrinologist and therapist who believes that transitioning is a means of treating dysphoria; there are others who dispute the claim.

Johns Hopkins University Hospital had shut down their transgender surgery practice back in 1979 due their psychiatry Chair saying it was bad medicine. That position lasted until 2016, when Johns Hopkins gave into political pressure.

Can Trans People Trust Johns Hopkins’s New Clinic?

 

[giuseppe96]

One’s sex is strictly a scientifically determined factor. Everything today is based on personal feelings rather than empirical facts.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I’d suggest that if you knew some of the people personally and saw they were pretty ordinary apart from the gender transitioning, you might stop trying to analyze it and accept that some people do feel like they are trapped in the wrong gender body.

 

[Alex337]

theCardinalbird:

Can you please forward me their work?

here’s the problem with their work… for every psychologist, psychiatrist, endocrinologist and therapist who believes that transitioning is a means of treating dysphoria; there are others who dispute the claim.

Though fewer it would seem. And just because people dispute a thing does not make it wrong, look at climate change.

 

[theCardinalbird]

I’d suggest that if you knew some of the people personally and saw they were pretty ordinary apart from the gender transitioning, you might stop trying to analyze it and accept that some people do feel like they are trapped in the wrong gender body.

And I am not disputing that. I’m sure many do. I simply want to know to know if the transitional idea holds any water morally and is the right thing to do or not for these people

 

[Alex337]

Tis_Bearself:

I’d suggest that if you knew some of the people personally and saw they were pretty ordinary apart from the gender transitioning, you might stop trying to analyze it and accept that some people do feel like they are trapped in the wrong gender body.

And I am not disputing that. I’m sure many do. I simply want to know to know if the transitional idea holds any water

As a form of therapy it certainly seems to. It relieves dysphoria.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I simply want to know to know if the transitional idea holds any water morally and is the right thing to do or not for these people

I’m not sure how you’re going to get that from anyone’s written work, no matter how renowned of a scholar they are.

I’m also not seeing how this is your decision to make, assuming you’re not transitioning, your close family member or friend is not transitioning, and you’re not a doctor considering whether to help somebody transition.

 

[ProVobis]

That’s why they call them theories not facts.

 

[Alex337]

It may also help to remember that those who deal with dysphoria choose their treatment method. Also that there are many means of transitioning. It may be a social transition, with no medical intervention at all. It may be some medical intervention, or lots, it varies depending on the person.

Such a broad statement about whether transitioning works forgets that every case is different and every transition is different. It’s like asking whether treating depression works.

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

theCardinalbird:

Can you please forward me their work?

here’s the problem with their work… for every psychologist, psychiatrist, endocrinologist and therapist who believes that transitioning is a means of treating dysphoria; there are others who dispute the claim.

Though fewer it would seem. And just because people dispute a thing does not make it wrong, look at climate change.

But they are not coming to this conclusion based solely on science. They are coming this conclusion based on feelings, political correctness, and sometimes political pressure.

“100% Man Made Climate Change” is the same thing. It’s all driven on hypotheses and political pressure. No concrete facts.

***NOTE 1: I agree that man has an affect on the climate, however, we do not know what % man has on the climate. I.E. are we 100% to blame, 10% to blame, 50% to blame, etc? We don’t know. I object to the people who say man is totally to blame and I object to the people who say man has zero affect.

***NOTE 2: I acknowledge that there are some people who who have legitimate biological factors, for example people with two sets of sex organs. However, the majority is due to psychological issues, not biological issues. Perhaps some people MIGHT be a genetic disposition towards this, however, this is most likely a psychological issue which comes from parental / familial interaction (or lack there or) with children.

God Bless

 

[OsculeturMeOsculo]

That does make sense.

 

[theCardinalbird]

I’m also not seeing how this is your decision to make, assuming you’re not transitioning, your close family member or friend is not transitioning, and you’re not a doctor considering whether to help somebody transition.

Yet I am also a citizen of Canada who may one day have to understand these things (perhaps one day I will become friends with a person experiencing this), also because it is also controversial, it wouldn’t hurt to understand both sides of this matter, Including that I presently live in a society that openly affirms this, and that I am curious.