I am disturbed by the Catechism's Veiw on Muslims

[StMarkEofE]

H2O:

It seems Muslim families provide a much more stable atmosphere for their children than Christians. Not to mention that abortion and sodomy are much more prevalant in “Christian” countries than Islamic countries.

No No I totally disagree. There is no standard of information that supports your summation here. Muslims love their families and so do Christian love their families. How absurd to assume that because one is Muslim that somehow they love and respect their family more than a Christian would. Islamic countries have a good track record of covering up their unmentionables and do it very well. Humanity is what it is. Sometimes we fail and in most Christian countries this is made known front page but in the more controlled Muslim countries it is very much kept under lock and key, and that is because it can.’

StMarkEofE

 

[HelpingHands]

StMarkEofE:

No No I totally disagree. There is no standard of information that supports your summation here. Muslims love their families and so do Christian love their families. How absurd to assume that because one is Muslim that somehow they love and respect their family more than a Christian would. Islamic countries have a good track record of covering up their unmentionables and do it very well. Humanity is what it is. Sometimes we fail and in most Christian countries this is made known front page but in the more controlled Muslim countries it is very much kept under lock and key, and that is because it can.’

StMarkEofE

That is very very true. I had a good friend who went to travel in Pakistan and ended up living with a Muslim family for a few months. This was when she was in her 20’s She lived in the compound behind a veil, and got to know the culture from the inside.

She told me that rampant homosexuality occured bettween unmarried men. Also, she said that lesbian relations were common among the women. She said that the relationship bettween men and women was cold and unfullfilling, so even married women turned to one another for sexual fullfillment.

One thing that the people of Afghanistan really appreciated about the Taliban was that they clamped down on the rampant sexual abuse of young boys by those in power. This was extremely commonly done by those in power. It was part of the fabric of society, a privilage of the strong over the weak. Also, because marriage was so difficult for a poor man to obtain, homosexuality was an outlet for them, with them taking advantage of the weak.

 

[H2O]

StMarkEofE:

No No I totally disagree. There is no standard of information that supports your summation here. Muslims love their families and so do Christian love their families. How absurd to assume that because one is Muslim that somehow they love and respect their family more than a Christian would. Islamic countries have a good track record of covering up their unmentionables and do it very well. Humanity is what it is. Sometimes we fail and in most Christian countries this is made known front page but in the more controlled Muslim countries it is very much kept under lock and key, and that is because it can.’

StMarkEofE

I’m not assuming that Muslims love their families more than Christians…don’t know where that came from. But everything else you said just might be spot on.

 

[Contarini]

HelpingHands:

She told me that rampant homosexuality occured bettween unmarried men.

This doesn’t surprise me. From what I’ve read of historic Muslim culture, there was a strong tradition of erotic poetry and romantic love between men (usually, as in classical Greece, between an older man and a young man or adolescent). This sort of thing seems to crop up wherever men have limited social contact with women (and at the risk of incurring the wrath of all the Catholics here, I cannot help but think that this is why such relationships appear to be so common in the Catholic priesthood–both the priesthood and Muslim male society generally are societies where men have to turn to each other for companionship, and this often leads to more than just friendship).

Edwin

 

[Faith101]

exoflare:

Yeah, no kidding! Thanks to the increased emergence of the “culture of death” in America, those days are a memory (though it was back before my day, in all honesty). Except for people like my friend’s parents… they have 10 children!

Like I said though, the large number of children Muslims average is IMO the main reason, but not the only one. Apostasy being considered a capital punishment can’t help either, for example.

what would explain the increase rate of conversion to Islam in america? no apostasy rule here…and we are talking about people converting, not babies being born. In my college alone, i know more than a dozen converts, who are now, mashAllah, much stronger in knowledge about Islam than many of us born muslims.

honestly, i would like your view on it

 

[exoflare]

Faith101:

what would explain the increase rate of conversion to Islam in america? no apostasy rule here…and we are talking about people converting, not babies being born. In my college alone, i know more than a dozen converts, who are now, mashAllah, much stronger in knowledge about Islam than many of us born muslims.

honestly, i would like your view on it

The number of converts at your college doesn’t surprise me since you live in England. I already knew of what was going on there.

As for America, where can I look up that information? I’ve lived there my whole life and I haven’t met a Muslim convert so far myself… only “born” Muslims. A look at the numbers would make it clearer exactly what you’re talking about though.

 

[Faith101]

The number of converts at your college doesn’t surprise me since you live in England. I already knew of what was going on there

I live in New jersey…thats usa…

As for America, where can I look up that information? I’ve lived there my whole life and I haven’t met a Muslim convert so far myself… only “born” Muslims. A look at the numbers would make it clearer exactly what you’re talking about though.

usually people dont go around saying “hello, i’m muslim and a convert”…a lot of converts i know wouldnt tell you that they were once something else unless you specifically ask them…then they usually dont mind sharing their “story”

I dont know about statistics of converts. If you go to whyislam.org, i think almost half the people there are americans who converted to Islam…there are also some on this very site.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in this country, according to the ny times and some other well known newspapers. If you would like, you can pm me the area you live in and i can direct you to a local mosque where you can meet converts face to face

 

[exoflare]

Faith101:

I live in New jersey…thats usa…

Oops! Why did I think that? I think I was confusing you with somebody else… sorry about that!

Faith101:

usually people dont go around saying “hello, i’m muslim and a convert”…a lot of converts i know wouldnt tell you that they were once something else unless you specifically ask them…then they usually dont mind sharing their “story”

I don’t doubt it. All I said was that in my case personally, all the Muslims I have known didn’t happen to be converts themselves.

Faith101:

I dont know about statistics of converts. If you go to whyislam.org, i think almost half the people there are americans who converted to Islam…there are also some on this very site.

That’s to be expected. Converts to any religion are generally more passionate and/or vocal about their beliefs, and therefore more likely to take the initiative in joining things like internet message boards based on that religion.

Faith101:

Islam is the fastest growing religion in this country, according to the ny times and some other well known newspapers. If you would like, you can pm me the area you live in and i can direct you to a local mosque where you can meet converts face to face

I have friends that would know where the mosques are around here. Actually, one of them was going to bring me with him when he needed to do something there just recently, but then decided at the last second not to even though I said okay. Maybe some other time though.

Anyhow, I’ll try to look on those sources you mentioned then. Remember, the only question I originally had was how I could see first-hand that there really was a “rapid” conversion rate to Islam in America. I don’t doubt for a second that these converts merely exist, as you seem to be trying to prove here.

 

[exoflare]

Okay so as not to derail this topic any further, I’ve started another topic on Muslim population growth rate in America. Please go there to discuss the issue further.

Islam’s population growth in USA

 

[meedo]

well my last year visit to america i noticed to reverts in the mosque i was in. That was in south virginia. They were white. I dont know how many african americans are reverts and how many are born. May be you need to go inside a mosque exflore.

 

[exoflare]

meedo, I think I said this before but I don’t deny the fact that these converts exist at all. What I’m questioning is that there’s such a huge rate of conversion for Islam compared to all other religions out there. I don’t think it’s all that important, but since the claim was made you’d figure there would be evidence to back up that claim.