i am homosexual, yet i am Catholic

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Equinox:

Do you want to be gay? Do you want to have a homosexual orientation?
 
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I thought you were making a different (and quite worthwhile) point;
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Actually, that was the point I was trying to make. People seemed to have problems with the particulars and so I went off on a tangent having to explain them instead, lol.
 
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Cupofkindness:
Equinox:

Do you want to be gay? Do you want to have a homosexual orientation?
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The question is not do I want to have a homosexual orientation or be gay. It is what and who I am, I have been told by society and the Church it is wrong, and yes I have tried to ‘change’ my sexual preference, however that was only due to the pressures of the above I am comfortable who I am, however I am not comfortable with the way people and God will view me if I chose to live a life of homosexual preference and/or behaviour.
 
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Equinox:
The question is not do I want to have a homosexual orientation or be gay. It is what and who I am, I have been told by society and the Church it is wrong,
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Welcome to the club. Do you know who I am? A sinner. Do you know what every human being is born as? A sinner. Should the Church accept us as sinners or lead us to “perfection” as Christ calls all of us? Is it the role of the Church to maintain the status quo or to change who we were all born as for the better?
 
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Equinox:
The question is not do I want to have a homosexual orientation or be gay. It is what and who I am, I have been told by society and the Church it is wrong, and yes I have tried to ‘change’ my sexual preference, however that was only due to the pressures of the above I am comfortable who I am, however I am not comfortable with the way people and God will view me if I chose to live a life of homosexual preference and/or behaviour.
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The question is not whether other people can accept you or your actions (note that I separate the two), or whether God will view you. God is the unchanging one that he has always been, and he already loves you. This does not mean he does not have expectations that he wants you to live up to. The fact that you are homosexual will not stop Him from loving you. Even if your actions separate you from Him, he will still love you, and grieve for the loss.

Neither is it about your comfort level, or anyone else’s. Living a Christian life, in fact, is more likely to be uncomfortable than anything else. Think of all the martyrs in the early church who were fed to lions for the amusement of crowds. I doubt they were very comfortable with that.

The question is, can *you *accept the life of celibacy he is calling you to? Can *you *accept the cross, suffering, and struggles he is allowing you to experience for the benefit of your growth as a spiritual human being? Are you willing to accept God, including the plan He has for you, whatever it may be?
 
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Equinox:
So I have to live in celibacy, or I will be committing a mortal sin against God? This is what I cannot understand God loves all his Children and will forgive most/ all sin’s and yet in ‘his eyes’ two homosexuals that are married cannot partake in the act which expresses love for/ to the other individual, without fear of Infernal damnation.
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I am a single woman, widowed. In order for me to receive the Sacraments I must remain celebate also. While I may meet a man and marry someday, unless I abide by the teachings of the Holy Mother Church I may not receive the Sacraments.

I would suggest you “speak”, on line here, with Edwin. He has struggled with this question and is an obedient son of the Holy Mother Church. If you are really asking for guidance, he is a good and holy man who can share his experience, strength and hope with you in ways we cannot. You can find his posts on this site and I am sure he would be generous with his time for you.
 
You may reach him by sending a message to EDWIN 1961.

He is a wonderful man.
 
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Equinox:
… I did NOT choose to be Homosexual. Should I abandon my Catholic beliefs as I will never be accepted within the church?
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I recommend you read the following article by a former Gay-activist turned Catholic, David Morrison. I believe it will answer your question.

**Out of the Closet and into Chastity **
**by DAVID MORRISON **
catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0001.html

I also recommend Courage, which is a wonderful Catholic ministry of support to homosexual-oriented men and women .
 
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Equinox:
The question is not do I want to have a homosexual orientation or be gay. It is what and who I am, I have been told by society and the Church it is wrong, and yes I have tried to ‘change’ my sexual preference, however that was only due to the pressures of the above I am comfortable who I am, however I am not comfortable with the way people and God will view me if I chose to live a life of homosexual preference and/or behaviour.
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Thank you.
 
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mike182d:
Why is one a crime and the other not?

That’s my point. The discussion of homosexuality is too clouded with emotions and feelings and an objective, logical reason supporting one form of sexual deviancy over another has never been established.

What makes pedophilia worse than homosexuality? Both are forms of sexual deviancy and in both cases, the person never *chooses *to have those tendencies. And yet we scorn and punish pedophiles. I’m, personally, not saying they’re more equilivants, but I’m trying to get people to seriously think about why they believe what they do.
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Uhhh… Homosexuality is practiced between two consenting adults. Pedophilia involves children who cannot give consent… it is equivalent to rape. It’s sad that you cannot see the difference.
 
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hollybc:
Uhhh… Homosexuality is practiced between two consenting adults. Pedophilia involves children who cannot give consent… it is equivalent to rape. It’s sad that you cannot see the difference.
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Perhaps you could respond to the later clarifications, where its made clear he was addressing that it is because of the morally deviant nature of that sexual attraction that we have age of civil consent laws to punish certain behaviors, that pedophilia would still be morally deviant even if there were not laws forbidding it, just as homosexuality is still morally deviant even though there is less legal restrictions on its practice, and that in both cases, the moral devinace is why the Church forbids acting (or even deliberately entertaining) those thoughts.
 
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Ray_Scheel:
Perhaps you could respond to the later clarifications, where its made clear he was addressing that it is because of the morally deviant nature of that sexual attraction that we have age of civil consent laws to punish certain behaviors, that pedophilia would still be morally deviant even if there were not laws forbidding it, just as homosexuality is still morally deviant even though there is less legal restrictions on its practice, and that in both cases, the moral devinace is why the Church forbids acting (or even deliberately entertaining) those thoughts.
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Yeah, I see now that that is what was being aimed at. Pardon my earlier misconceptions.

The fact is there are plenty of things permitted by law - abortion, contraception, adultery, divorce and remarriage, premarital sex - that are forbidden by the Church. Is it OP’s opinion that anything that is legal goes and should also be allowed/tolerated by the Church?
 
There is a very good blog written by a 24 year old Australian, gay, Catholic and conservative man. He has some very good posts on how he has come to terms with his sexuality in regards to the church. He was once feeling the way you are but he then decided to really find out exactly what the churches position is.
You should check it out. He replys to all emails from readers.

http//johnheard.blogspot.com
 
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Equinox:
The question is not do I want to have a homosexual orientation or be gay. It is what and who I am, I have been told by society and the Church it is wrong, and yes I have tried to ‘change’ my sexual preference, however that was only due to the pressures of the above I am comfortable who I am, however I am not comfortable with the way people and God will view me if I chose to live a life of homosexual preference and/or behaviour.
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Since December I have been reading the testimony and ongoing spiritual transformation of a young man who had been living a homosexual lifestyle. He has come a long way, as he tells his inspiring story in the Catholic Answers forum.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=90089&page=1&pp=100

I believe you will be inspired by his story.
 
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hollybc:
Uhhh… Homosexuality is practiced between two consenting adults. Pedophilia involves children who cannot give consent… it is equivalent to rape. It’s sad that you cannot see the difference.
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Pedophelia has little to do with consent. If a child consented, it would still be pedophilia. Rape is rape. Pedophelia is something different. It is simply defined as a disordered attraction to young children. A pedophile would be one even if all he did was fantasize about young children, regardless if he or she acted on it.

Do you now see my point?
 
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Ray_Scheel:
Perhaps you could respond to the later clarifications, where its made clear he was addressing that it is because of the morally deviant nature of that sexual attraction that we have age of civil consent laws to punish certain behaviors, that pedophilia would still be morally deviant even if there were not laws forbidding it, just as homosexuality is still morally deviant even though there is less legal restrictions on its practice, and that in both cases, the moral devinace is why the Church forbids acting (or even deliberately entertaining) those thoughts.
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Wow. I should probably let you respond for me. You did a much better job, lol. 🙂

Thanks.
 
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Equinox:
I am an 18 year old male who is homosexual, yet i am Catholic, i love my religion yet I feel that it is against me, dose this mean I am not a Catholic? I attend church every Sunday and I do my best to attend evensongs on weekdays when I can, I was taught in a Catholic School and now I attend a Catholic college. I give blood and do a lot of charity work, and yet im writing this email as if I need to prove something to you, the Catholic people and myself. I did NOT choose to be Homosexual. Should I abandon my Catholic beliefs as I will never be accepted within the church? I live in a Catholic household and have a lot of Catholic friends, if they can accept me then why can’t my church? I have read the Bible and I do not personally believe is condones homosexual behaviour. I understand that it is not accepted within society, but surly the church is seen as a shelter from society’s brutality against its people, and is ment to unite people not segregate them. The question I put to you is am I Catholic, if I am not should I forsake my religion?
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I am curious, were you always a homosexual? When did you first know? What does it mean to be a homosexual?

Thanks!
 
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Equinox:
The question is not do I want to have a homosexual orientation or be gay. It is what and who I am, I have been told by society and the Church it is wrong, and yes I have tried to ‘change’ my sexual preference, however that was only due to the pressures of the above I am comfortable who I am, however I am not comfortable with the way people and God will view me if I chose to live a life of homosexual preference and/or behaviour.
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Then if you are positive that God is not going to heal you of the same sex attraction you feel then he is asking you to live a single life. Which means to live a chaste life of no sexual activity out of marriage.He created marriage to be a reflection of the trinity and by nature procreative. Which can’t exist in homosexual unions. The sexual act can never be procreative the way the trinity it.

Read the following book by David Morrison

www.beyondgay.com

It is good to remember that you are loved by God right where you are . I am glad that your parents have continued to love you. God does not demand that all people with same sex attraction change but he does offer it to you. I’m not sure what methods you attempted but check out some of the links in the Courage site especially Narth and see what they have to say.

Praying for you.
 
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Equinox:
However, I have not partaken in the act that we are referring. I believe in no sex before marriage. So what I am asking is in the future at some point when I get married to somebody of the same sex, moral values etc. Will I committing a sin by partaking in the act.
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Yes, you would be commiting a seriously grave sin by partaking
in the act, it is a mortal sin to engage in that act. If your asking if
it is a serious sin to marry another man, the answer to that would be yes. The church forbids a homosexual union, and the act of same sex relations. It is better for a homosexual to be celibate, and not partake in the act of same sex relations, and marriage. The “marriage” for one is not valid. The church will never recognize it. Marriage is as other posters have pointed out, one man, and one woman. You cannot make it otherwise. Just because certain countries legalize civil unions of homosexuals doesn’t mean the
Catholic Church would recognize that civil union as valid. It is not
valid. Take note too, that even if a heterosexual marries outside the church in a civil union such as I have, that marriage can be blessed in the church because it is a heterosexual marriage of one man, and one woman. A homosexual civil union cannot be
blessed in the church, nor would it be. You most certainly should
not leave the church! Iam glad you posted this, and wish you the
best, and hope that you remain celibate.
 
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Equinox:
I am not comfortable with the way … God will view me if I chose to live a life of homosexual preference and/or behaviour.
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We all have to overcome sin throughout our lives. It is not us who choose whether God will accept our actions on this earth, it is up to Him and He laid it out in the Bible- sodomy is wrong. And, the point made many times here is that you will never be married to a man- it will never be a sacramental marriage, so there will be no consideration for your sodomy ever.

So many people can try to reason out their sin, but it is when we let go of the arrogant attitude that we live for ourselves and truly be open to what God is calling us to do in our lives. If you have feelings for other boys, you should not entertain them with illicit thoughts or actions…period. Find support to help you overcome this- there is plenty out there. You don’t sound like you are open to find God’s calling for you, you are instead trying to find support for your cause, which clear and simple is in violation to God’s law. Arguing with anyone here is pretty pointless, we didn’t write the Law. We are all here together, supporting each other and trying to get to the same place. We all have crosses to bear, and once you open yourself to God’s calling for you, it won’t be a cross anymore because you’ll be overjoyed in the path He has put you on. Be obedient- get out of the driver’s seat and let God take over in your life.

God does love you and knows your struggles. The question is- do you love God enough to live your life for Him. Can you abandon your will and let God into your life? He will give you the strength to do it- you just have to ask. Pray and seek support from people who can help you.

God bless you.
 
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